Minnesota becomes 12th state to OK gay marriage

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Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#1488 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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I don't have time to research it but I think you're wrong about some parts of what you're saying. Some states a while back and may still do have some kind of bans on homosexuality in regards of what they can or cannot do. Seems like that would make it illegal to marry. Maybe you can shed some light on what I'm thinking about, without me looking it up.
Get out of this forum for once and you would have time to research. Are you 'THAT' lazy? ROTFL@U

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#1489 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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Can't argue with you cause I really don't know.
Not prepared to discuss legal issues? Even with access to Google? LMAO

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#1490 Jun 18, 2013
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>Get out of this forum for once and you would have time to research. Are you 'THAT' lazy? ROTFL@U
Exactly.
dr james mont

Angeles City, Philippines

#1491 Jun 18, 2013
minnesota has alot of fa gs and the weather su cks ba lls

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#1494 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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Thanks Waste, you're a pooper, I mean trooper.
Either way, I'll take that as a compliment.

Have a nice day.
The Coal Handlers Son

Chicago, IL

#1496 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have time to research it but I think you're wrong about some parts of what you're saying. Some states a while back and may still do have some kind of bans on homosexuality in regards of what they can or cannot do. Seems like that would make it illegal to marry. Maybe you can shed some light on what I'm thinking about, without me looking it up.
Don't worry he'll Google an answer for you !
Follower of the way

Saint Paul, MN

#1499 Jun 18, 2013
Havent you read,[Jesus Christ] replied,that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 5 and said,For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.(Matthew 19 4-6; New Testament)

Just remember we all have to die someday. When that day comes, you will have to stand face to face with God almighty in judgment. Your friends will not be there, your family members will not be there, nor any cultural/political figureheads- no one will be there to defend you.

When your appointed time comes, will you be prepared to explain to God why your philosophies and beliefs were superior to His teachings?

If you want eternal life do not conform to the ways of this evil world, but take up the cross and follow the Lamb of Life. Even if that means persecution for Jesus said, " 18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 (John 15:18-20)

13 Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.(Matthew 7 13:14)

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#1500 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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Despite the landmark Supreme Court Lawrence v. Texas case that invalidated anti-sodomy laws and, therefore, essentially made sodomy legal, there are still 14 states in the country where sodomy is on the books as “illegal,” plus an additional four where sodomy is illegal only if you’re gay.
Mother Jones notes: All Sodomy Outlawed: Idaho, Utah, Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana Just for gays: Montana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas.
“Texas isn’t the only state that’s still legislating bedroom activity,” Tim Murphy wrote at Mother Jones last year.“Fourteen states currently have laws on the books outlawing anal sex between two consenting, unrelated adults—referred to variously as ‘deviate sexual conduct,’‘the infamous crime against nature,’‘sodomy,’ and ‘buggery. And it’s taken a concerted effort to keep those laws on the books. Since Lawrence, efforts to formally repeal laws in Montana, Kansas, Utah, Louisiana, North Carolina, and, most notably, Texas have all faced resistance before fizzling out in their respective state legislatures. Conservatives in those states know they can’t enforce the laws, but by keeping them in the code, they can send a message that homosexuality is officially condemned by the government.”
It matters NOT if ANY state still has laws on the books saying it is a crime......THEY CAN NOT BE ENFORCED......period!!!

No State can send a message that it officially condemns homosexuality......that would be considered discrimination......now legislators are allowed to condemn homosexuality on their own time, but with regards to writing laws......those are fairing real well lately!!!

Now, sodomy that occurs because of a violent rape is different from consensual sodomy between two people(by the way heterosexuals do enjoy anal sex)

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#1501 Jun 18, 2013
Follower of the way wrote:
Havent you read,
Just remember we all have to die someday. When that day comes, you will have to stand face to face with God almighty in judgment. Your friends will not be there, your family members will not be there, nor any cultural/political figureheads- no one will be there to defend you.
When your appointed time comes, will you be prepared to explain to God why your philosophies and beliefs were superior to His teachings?
If you want eternal life do not conform to the ways of this evil world, but take up the cross and follow the Lamb of Life.
Sorry, but if God knows everything about our lives......then there is NO reason for any of us to explain ourselves.....God already knows why we did things......frankly, I'm not worried nor fear facing God on my judgment day.......but that is a personal belief thing and has no bearing on the laws of this Country!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#1502 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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Despite the landmark Supreme Court Lawrence v. Texas case that invalidated anti-sodomy laws and, therefore, essentially made sodomy legal, there are still 14 states in the country where sodomy is on the books as “illegal,” plus an additional four where sodomy is illegal only if you’re gay.
Mother Jones notes: All Sodomy Outlawed: Idaho, Utah, Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana Just for gays: Montana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas.
“Texas isn’t the only state that’s still legislating bedroom activity,” Tim Murphy wrote at Mother Jones last year.“Fourteen states currently have laws on the books outlawing anal sex between two consenting, unrelated adults—referred to variously as ‘deviate sexual conduct,’‘the infamous crime against nature,’‘sodomy,’ and ‘buggery. And it’s taken a concerted effort to keep those laws on the books. Since Lawrence, efforts to formally repeal laws in Montana, Kansas, Utah, Louisiana, North Carolina, and, most notably, Texas have all faced resistance before fizzling out in their respective state legislatures. Conservatives in those states know they can’t enforce the laws, but by keeping them in the code, they can send a message that homosexuality is officially condemned by the government.”
It would be nice to know where you got your copy and paste from.......source link please!
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#1503 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite the landmark Supreme Court Lawrence v. Texas case that invalidated anti-sodomy laws and, therefore, essentially made sodomy legal, there are still 14 states in the country where sodomy is on the books as “illegal,” plus an additional four where sodomy is illegal only if you’re gay.
Mother Jones notes: All Sodomy Outlawed: Idaho, Utah, Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana Just for gays: Montana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas.
“Texas isn’t the only state that’s still legislating bedroom activity,” Tim Murphy wrote at Mother Jones last year.“Fourteen states currently have laws on the books outlawing anal sex between two consenting, unrelated adults—referred to variously as ‘deviate sexual conduct,’‘the infamous crime against nature,’‘sodomy,’ and ‘buggery. And it’s taken a concerted effort to keep those laws on the books. Since Lawrence, efforts to formally repeal laws in Montana, Kansas, Utah, Louisiana, North Carolina, and, most notably, Texas have all faced resistance before fizzling out in their respective state legislatures. Conservatives in those states know they can’t enforce the laws, but by keeping them in the code, they can send a message that homosexuality is officially condemned by the government.”
those laws were invalidated by SCOTUS ruling - similarly how the Loving decision made laws in 7 states invalid. this is due to the supremecy clause in the u.s. constitution.

those laws may remain "on the books" in those states, but they are no longer valid nor are they used to arrest someone or to convict someone.

so, are you proposing that conservatives don't agree with the constitutional bans on the laws regarding interracial marriages? or a number of other SCOTUS decisions made in the past since moves have not been made to strike those laws from public secular laws?

my "guess" is that the legislators in the affected states just don't want to spend the time (money) on "housekeeping" type law changes - they've got plenty of other things on their plates to keep them busy, than to re-write state laws that were in effect struck down by SCOTUS rulings, federal laws or federal treaties (any of which trumps state laws due to the supremecy clause in the constitution).
Christian Activist

Saint Paul, MN

#1505 Jun 18, 2013
What happens if the religious basis for monogamy is invalidated because of separation of church and state? Remove God from the argument, and replace Him with man-reasoned ethical philosophy embracing moral relativism, and one could easily make a strong case in favor of polygamy.

In the vein of moral relativism, the following major arguments can be made to support the legalization of plural marriage:

1. Polysexual Orientation: According to the theory of Genetic Imperative, many men are biologically hardwired or oriented to feel attraction toward multiple women, yet social values and socialization pressures require men to repress expression of these innate impulses (this is true across all socioeconomic, ethnic and cultural groups). Since a predominant number of men have inborn sexual tendencies that are incompatible with a monogamous lifestyle, by no fault of their own, marriage ought to be progressively redefined as a socially approved relationship between an undefined number of consenting spouses.

2. Separation of Church and State: Many state marriage laws codify and uphold religious principles that unjustly and unconstitutionally force polysexuals to conform to non-secular tradition.

3. Consequential Neutrality: Permitting men to marry at least two wives (polygyny) or women to marry multiple husbands (polyandry) will not in any way infringe on monogamists right to marry only one spouse. Therefore, polygamy should be permitted because of its neutral consequence to other valid forms of marriage.

4. Consequentialism: Studies have shown that parental household income and parental involvement correlates positively with many lifelong success indicators. Since multiple-parent households have greater income potential and more parental time than monogamist parents, children raised by stable polygamist parents stand to be more educated, healthy, well-adjusted and productive as adults than their monogamist-raised counterparts. Considering the significant long-term social benefits of polygamous
Follower of the way

Saint Paul, MN

#1506 Jun 18, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry, but if God knows everything about our lives......then there is NO reason for any of us to explain ourselves.....God already knows why we did things......frankly, I'm not worried nor fear facing God on my judgment day.......but that is a personal belief thing and has no bearing on the laws of this Country!!!
Watch this true story NorCal Native. May God Bless You!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#1507 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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You really think I'm smart enough to make all that up? Wasn't to my advantage to do that, was just sharing what I came across. Don't need to prove anything to you.
Still a source link is required when one is copying and pasting from a site......otherwise it is called plagiarism!!!

Remember that it is always important to site your references:-)

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#1508 Jun 18, 2013
Follower of the way wrote:
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Watch this true story NorCal Native. May God Bless You!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =uVpQhU1raooXX
Okay, so the man had a near death experience that changed his life......that still doesn't mean that one has to explain to God what God already knows.

By the way......I'm not an Atheist......just not an Evangelistic Fundamentalist, nor do I follow any formalized religion or believe in that book you may refer to as the bible......but my belief in God is just fine:-)

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#1510 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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Why? It wasn't important. You said it was irrelevant and didn't matter, so why would you want the link?
Please provide the post number or permalink where I made that comment......sorry, but that's not something I would ever state........I believe in posting a source link whenever I copy from an article......this allows you to read it for yourself.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#1511 Jun 18, 2013
TrueBlood wrote:
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See, and you FAGG@TS wonder why I'm the way I am. YOU make me the way I am. Get use to it. When someone tries to force me, it won't happen.
ROFLMFAO
YOU make YOURSELF the way you are....quit using 'us' for your lame excuse!

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1512 Jun 18, 2013
You're probably thinking about sodomy laws, but the SCOTUS rendered all such laws unenforceable in Lawrence v Texas. in 2003.
TrueBlood wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have time to research it but I think you're wrong about some parts of what you're saying. Some states a while back and may still do have some kind of bans on homosexuality in regards of what they can or cannot do. Seems like that would make it illegal to marry. Maybe you can shed some light on what I'm thinking about, without me looking it up.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1513 Jun 18, 2013
Then conservatives are morons. Keeping an unenforceable law on the books means you're too lazy to remove it. It has NO meaning at all. State governments don't get to condemn legal citizens, actions, or interests.
TrueBlood wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite the landmark Supreme Court Lawrence v. Texas case that invalidated anti-sodomy laws and, therefore, essentially made sodomy legal, there are still 14 states in the country where sodomy is on the books as “illegal,” plus an additional four where sodomy is illegal only if you’re gay.
Mother Jones notes: All Sodomy Outlawed: Idaho, Utah, Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana Just for gays: Montana, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas.
“Texas isn’t the only state that’s still legislating bedroom activity,” Tim Murphy wrote at Mother Jones last year.“Fourteen states currently have laws on the books outlawing anal sex between two consenting, unrelated adults—referred to variously as ‘deviate sexual conduct,’‘the infamous crime against nature,’‘sodomy,’ and ‘buggery. And it’s taken a concerted effort to keep those laws on the books. Since Lawrence, efforts to formally repeal laws in Montana, Kansas, Utah, Louisiana, North Carolina, and, most notably, Texas have all faced resistance before fizzling out in their respective state legislatures. Conservatives in those states know they can’t enforce the laws, but by keeping them in the code, they can send a message that homosexuality is officially condemned by the government.”

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1514 Jun 18, 2013
San francisco and key west have great weather, and we pretty much OWN those places. Your point?

BTW....there are lots of us everywhere! Bwahahahahahahaha!
dr james mont wrote:
minnesota has alot of fa gs and the weather su cks ba lls

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