Bishop: Jesus would back gay marriage?

Nov 27, 2012 | Posted by: Joe DeCaro | Full story: www.seacoastonline.com

Many may consider it a fact that Christianity bans gay marriage, but at least one bishop begs to differ.

A crowd packed the Congregational Church of Exeter Monday night to listen to a talk and Q&A from Gene Robinson, the openly gay Bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church ...

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"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White) The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

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"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."
I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.
Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White) The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.
"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary
Yet Jesus told us:
John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.
Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.
You are exactly right.
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<quoted text>YOU have failed to produce ANY Bible translation, ancient Bible text, or Judeo-Christian tradition to support your lies against the Bible's many condemnations of all homosexual behavior, found in both Testaments and in the plainest of language.
You are delusional and a liar.
Sorry to be so frank, but there it is.
You choose to live in open rebellion against God.
LOL! In the 'plainest of language' huh?
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What might be the 'plainest of language' to you?
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Geechee?
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You claim to be reading and understanding ancient 'bible' text; but
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Everything you quote from is 1952 to present written by rednecks
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What say ye to that?

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Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual ...
Homosexual acts aren't performed by heterosexuals in the same way that good trees don't produce bad fruit.

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<quoted text>You homofascists have failed to cite ANY Bible translation, ancient Bible text, or Judeo-Christian tradition that places in question the Bible's many explicit commands against all homosexual behavior.
That's because the word didn't exist, only in your rewritten modernized version....

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jesus would love the sinner and hate the sin, pray for the sinner.
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Homosexual acts aren't performed by heterosexuals in the same way that good trees don't produce bad fruit.
"The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White)

The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary
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The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.
the rule is simple and applies to both hetero and homosexuals...(I would think you would appreciate the equality here)
Sex must be love sharing and have the potential to be life giving...
see how that can never be gay sex?

So the same reason the church opposes contraception is the same reason they oppose you...

I am not religious, but I do appreciate that at least someone is countering our society of sex for sex's sake...

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the rule is simple and applies to both hetero and homosexuals...(I would think you would appreciate the equality here)
Sex must be love sharing and have the potential to be life giving...
see how that can never be gay sex?
So the same reason the church opposes contraception is the same reason they oppose you...
I am not religious, but I do appreciate that at least someone is countering our society of sex for sex's sake...
You are ignoring that people who are sterile due to age, operation, etc, get married and have sex all the time. There is no potential for "life giving". Procreational ability has never been a requirement for marriage in the US.

While not all religious organizations oppose contraception, and even the Catholics approve the "rhythm method", we are not a theocracy. Religious beliefs not shared by all should never be used to justify refusing to treat others the way you want to be treated.
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You are ignoring that people who are sterile due to age, operation, etc, get married and have sex all the time.
yes, miracles never cease so it has the potential to be life giving...

is that true of gays?

has there EVER been an instance two gays had a child TOGETHER?
nope.

So yes, even without the term homosexual, gay sex is wrong under the bible..
I don't believe that stuff, but I do understand it...

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That must be one heck of a 'bible' you have there
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Who copyrighted it? Rick Santorum? or John McCain?
Which are you reading from? The one by the gay coalition that changed verses to please their way of thinking? Of course! lol
when you reference a KJV version, come say something that's a bit more credible then you have going at present :)

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<quoted text>I don't question the TRINITY...the other guy did.
Let me give you the simple version:
God is the candle.
Jesus is the flame.
Holy Spirit is the light that shines from it.
Sweet and simple as you stated it.
Unfortunately, a candle has three explicit different parts. The wax. The wick. The flame. And each of those come from a number of different sources.
And the candle is not a single created source of itself as the trinity defines God is. So though your example does define the trinity definition, it contains unexplainable information/errors.

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The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.
Yes well, the word heterosexual wasn't used till about 1892 and the Bible alludes to "heterosexual" acts without using the word "heterosexual". So what now?

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Yes well, the word heterosexual wasn't used till about 1892 and the Bible alludes to "heterosexual" acts without using the word "heterosexual". So what now?
That's easy
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...
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Which are you reading from? The one by the gay coalition that changed verses to please their way of thinking? Of course! lol
when you reference a KJV version, come say something that's a bit more credible then you have going at present :)
No thank you sugar
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Let us take a look at Jonathan and David's marriage in an original 1611 Bible scan for 1 Samuel chapter 18
(these are scans from the exact, authentic, original 1611 'HE' King James Bible)
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1 Samuel 18 :1> And it came to passe when hee made an ende of speaking vnto Saul, that the soule of Ionathan was knit with the soule of Dauid, and Ionathan loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:3> Then Ionathan and Dauid made a couenant, because he loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 20:41> And assoone as the ladde was gone, Dauid arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himselfe three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, vntill Dauid exceeded.
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1 Samuel 20:42> And Ionathan said to Dauid, Goe in peace, forasmuch as wee haue sworne both of vs in the Name of the Lord, saying; The Lord be betweene me and thee, and betweene my seede and thy seede for euer. And hee arose, and departed: and Ionathan went into the citie.
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mightie fallen in the midst of the battell! O Ionathan, thou wast slaine in thine high places.

2 Samuel 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Ionathan, very pleasant hast thou beene vnto mee: thy loue to mee was wonderfull, passing the loue of women.
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Yes well, the word heterosexual wasn't used till about 1892 and the Bible alludes to "heterosexual" acts without using the word "heterosexual". So what now?
It really doesn't matter. The bible is not the final word, nor only authority on morality. As we all know. While lessons from the bible can certainly be useful as a guide for how one leads their life, it certainly shouldn't be used as a guide for legislatures to write civil statutes any more than the Hindu religious text, the Sama Veda should be. We live in a republic. Not a theocrcy. If you want to live in a theocracy then go to Afghanistan, Iran, or Saudi Arabia.

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Sweet and simple as you stated it.
Unfortunately, a candle has three explicit different parts. The wax. The wick. The flame. And each of those come from a number of different sources.
And the candle is not a single created source of itself as the trinity defines God is. So though your example does define the trinity definition, it contains unexplainable information/errors.
Work for me...it doesn't have to work for you. Find your own path. Just like THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
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Jesus was too busy trying to help all of the (straight) hookers and homeless people.

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"The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality ...
No, humanity hasn't changed, which is why the Bible continues to be relevant today despite your claims to the contary.

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