Bishop: Jesus would back gay marriage?

Nov 27, 2012 Full story: www.seacoastonline.com 338

Many may consider it a fact that Christianity bans gay marriage, but at least one bishop begs to differ.

A crowd packed the Congregational Church of Exeter Monday night to listen to a talk and Q&A from Gene Robinson, the openly gay Bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church ...

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#384 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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No it doesn't
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It tells us to get buck naked and get it on three times to consummate a marriage ...
No it doesn't.

Rabbi Israel Stein (retired) said:

1 Sam 18:4: the Hebrew “arum” or naked does not appear in the text; if Jonathan was naked, the Hebrew would definitively say so.

1 Sam 20: 41-42: David “exceeded uncontrollably” refers to weeping; they were crying, and their friendship was pledged to last even unto the lives of their respective children (seed).

Spilling seed w/o any procreation breaks the commandment to be fruitful and multiply; being gay also negates this commandment, hence the prohibition in Lev 18: 22.

David was unabashedly heterosexual in his pursuit of Bathsheba; David was accused by the prophet Nathan of both murder and adultery, but never homosexuality.

The Bible paints saints warts and all, so why would it hide a homosexual relationship between David and Jonathan?
Then again, for some, why is every relationship between 2 men or 2 women always sexual?

“People with an agenda say what they want to say, but opinions should be based on fact, not an agenda,” said Stein.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#385 Jan 10, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No it doesn't.
Rabbi Israel Stein (retired) said:
1 Sam 18:4: the Hebrew “arum” or naked does not appear in the text; if Jonathan was naked, the Hebrew would definitively say so.
1 Sam 20: 41-42: David “exceeded uncontrollably” refers to weeping; they were crying, and their friendship was pledged to last even unto the lives of their respective children (seed).
Spilling seed w/o any procreation breaks the commandment to be fruitful and multiply; being gay also negates this commandment, hence the prohibition in Lev 18: 22.
David was unabashedly heterosexual in his pursuit of Bathsheba; David was accused by the prophet Nathan of both murder and adultery, but never homosexuality.
The Bible paints saints warts and all, so why would it hide a homosexual relationship between David and Jonathan?
Then again, for some, why is every relationship between 2 men or 2 women always sexual?
“People with an agenda say what they want to say, but opinions should be based on fact, not an agenda,” said Stein.
Malarky!!!
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Jewish Rabbis follow the Pentateuch; which doesn't include any Books of Samuel or Kings
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#386 Jan 10, 2013
Lew wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't get it.
Orientation is not relevant to a thread discussing a Christian concept. The Bible freely states that all have base desires, but commands against all sex acts except between man and wife.
What don't you get about this?
No one is condemned for same sex attractions, but the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual acts in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.
If it did; we wouldn't
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But it doesn't; so we do
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What's it to ya?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#387 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
Malarky!!!
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Jewish Rabbis follow the Pentateuch; which doesn't include any Books of Samuel or Kings
Any time you see Joe trot out his friend, the Rabbi Israel Stein (retired), he is lying his ass off to you. While there is such a person, there is no proof whatsoever that he has said, or even believes any of the garbage Joe keeps attributing to him. His esteemed Rabbi is nothing more than Joe's dummy in his increasingly bad ventriloquist act.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#388 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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I'm talking about 'hard-wired orientation'; not hard-wired sex acts
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You won't be able to comprehend because hard-wired orienation is not part of your personal life experience. You simply don't have any.
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Your condition is common among #3 bisexuals on the sliding scale
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientat...

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#389 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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We're not talking about hard-wired sex action
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We're discussing hard-wired sex 'orientation'
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A bisexual person such as you will have very little sex orientation; if any at all
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This is why you can't understand what we're talking about
I would understand more about sexual orientation than you ever would. Do you know why? I'll tell you. As being gay, you understand one aspect of sexual orientation, only one. As a bisexual, I have an understanding of two different sexual orientations.

That's twice the knowledge and twice the understanding that you'll never know or comprehend :)

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientat...

Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of one’s own sex), and bisexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to both men and women).

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Earth

#390 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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I'm talking about 'hard-wired orientation'; not hard-wired sex acts
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You won't be able to comprehend because hard-wired orienation is not part of your personal life experience. You simply don't have any.
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Your condition is common among #3 bisexuals on the sliding scale
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
The APA gets a lot of their information they consider from people you gave links to. None the less, as being the father of normalizing homosexuality so it's become what it is today, their stance on sexual orientation totally disagrees with you.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientat...

Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as if it were solely a characteristic of an individual, like biological sex, gender identity, or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation is defined in terms of relationships with others. People express their sexual orientation through behaviors with others, including such simple actions as holding hands or kissing. Thus, sexual orientation is closely tied to the intimate personal relationships that meet deeply felt needs for love, attachment, and intimacy. In addition to sexual behaviors, these bonds include nonsexual physical affection between partners, shared goals and values, mutual support, and ongoing commitment. Therefore, sexual orientation is not merely a personal characteristic within an individual. Rather, one’s sexual orientation defines the group of people in which one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling romantic relationships that are an essential component of personal identity for many people.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#391 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Here is the link to the American Medical Association research project that was begun in 1946 and is still underway. The AMA research is conducted in hospitals operated by medical universities around the nation
http://media01.commpartners.com/AMA/sexual_id...
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As early as 1948; the participating universities had already found that gay people are born with their own brain size and structure which is connected to the body through a spinal cord with 6 more connectors than a straight person.
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The differences have all been photographed and are visible to the naked eye on autopsy; and the knowledge is well established in the scientific and medical fields around the world
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/gay-stra...
The APA gets a lot of their information they consider from people you gave links to. None the less, as being the father of normalizing homosexuality so it's become what it is today, their stance on sexual orientation totally disagrees with you.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientat...

Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as if it were solely a characteristic of an individual, like biological sex, gender identity, or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation is defined in terms of relationships with others. People express their sexual orientation through behaviors with others, including such simple actions as holding hands or kissing. Thus, sexual orientation is closely tied to the intimate personal relationships that meet deeply felt needs for love, attachment, and intimacy. In addition to sexual behaviors, these bonds include nonsexual physical affection between partners, shared goals and values, mutual support, and ongoing commitment. Therefore, sexual orientation is not merely a personal characteristic within an individual. Rather, one’s sexual orientation defines the group of people in which one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling romantic relationships that are an essential component of personal identity for many people.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#392 Jan 10, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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When employing insults to make your case, it helps if your own posts do not fulfill the content of the insults.
You are still confusing sex drive with behavior.
While details of expression are influenced by culture, the basic drive remains even for those who choose not to express it through behavior. Like hunger, you can ignore the drive, or choose to express it through behavior. Ignoring it does not mean it does not exist.
"Asking why people have sex is akin to asking why we eat. Our brains are designed to motivate us toward that behavior," (from your link)
Your distinction between "wired" and "hard wired" is an artificial one, of your own making. When employing an operational definition, it helps to make sure everyone is aware of your definition.
Good to see you doing some of your own research. Hopefully you can also learn how to communicate in a civil manner.
Your distinction of "hard wired" is an artificial and generic terminology you use and help to make up that scientists wouldn't dare use amongst themselves or in their papers.
I discussed "hard wired" because you believe in it. It's an inaccurate word to describe an act that is rooted in attraction and behavior.
I understand the difference between sex drive and sexual behavior. You seem to have an on going issue defining them though.
Take away the drive and you have no behavior concerning sex. It's a two part process rooted in mentality that we display in our physical behavior. Not tough to understand unless you wish to complicate the issue?

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#393 Jan 10, 2013
Lew wrote:
<quoted text>YOU are the liar, misrepresenting what the Bible says.
You worship your perversion, not God.
The Bible irrefutably and repeatedly condemns and prohibits all homosexual behavior in both Testaments.
You know that.
Dear Manito Manurehead Caleb-Lew-David-Etc.,

Why don't you just answer his question? Surely you can answer it, can't you?

Really.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#394 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
No it doesn't
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It tells us to get buck naked and get it on three times to consummate a marriage:
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1 Samuel 18 :1> And it came to passe when hee made an ende of speaking vnto Saul, that the soule of Ionathan was knit with the soule of Dauid, and Ionathan loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:3> Then Ionathan and Dauid made a couenant, because he loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:4> And Ionathan stript himselfe of the robe that was vpon him, and gaue it to Dauid, and his garments, euen to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
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1 Samuel 20:41> And assoone as the ladde was gone, Dauid arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himselfe three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, vntill Dauid exceeded.
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1 Samuel 20:42> And Ionathan said to Dauid, Goe in peace, forasmuch as wee haue sworne both of vs in the Name of the Lord, saying; The Lord be betweene me and thee, and betweene my seede and thy seede for euer. And hee arose, and departed: and Ionathan went into the citie.
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mightie fallen in the midst of the battell! O Ionathan, thou wast slaine in thine high places.
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2 Samuel 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Ionathan, very pleasant hast thou beene vnto mee: thy loue to mee was wonderfull, passing the loue of women.
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You wish it to be what you want it to mean.
Why don't you research what Jewish scholars say what was taking place in verses 1 through 3 and what kind of a covenant Jonathan was actually making with David?
I'll help you out. The covenant had to do with possessions, not sexual attraction.
Why? Because David just saved the entire kingdom from falling into the hands of the enemy. The successor to the throne, Jonathan, he made a covenant with David that David could have a huge portion of all he had himself.
Jonathan's dad, aware that a prophecy had been made that his kingdom would be given to someone not of his seed, was distressed with this covenant his son was making.
But don't take my word for it. Go to some Jewish sites and look for the information they have concerning that covenant.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#395 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Malarky!!!
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Jewish Rabbis follow the Pentateuch; which doesn't include any Books of Samuel or Kings
In the Jewish Bible there is a section called the Neviim or prophets. And Jewish rabbis revere this section as much as any other. All these books/writings make up their Jewish religion.

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#396 Jan 11, 2013


We are ALL really female!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#397 Jan 11, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
... We are ALL really female!
Real females are feminine, a word that doesn't describe bull dyke lesbians.

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#398 Jan 11, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Real females are feminine, a word that doesn't describe bull dyke lesbians.
It is really sad to think that your village allowed you to be on the ETHICS COMMISSION with a vulgar mouth like yours!

You should be ashamed at speaking to me like that...DO YOU KISS YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH?

http://www.townofstratford.com/content/1302/3...
Ron

Pekin, IL

#399 Jan 11, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>It is really sad to think that your village allowed you to be on the ETHICS COMMISSION with a vulgar mouth like yours!
You should be ashamed at speaking to me like that...DO YOU KISS YOUR MOTHER WITH THAT MOUTH?
http://www.townofstratford.com/content/1302/3...
Look at the last couple of posts. YOU accepted that description of yourself.

Just curious, since you choose to live in open rebellion against God's many Commands against all homosexual behavior, as clearly specified repeatedly in both Testaments, why do you obsess on posting on Christian threads?

“Plays well with others.”

Since: Jun 07

LIVING WELL*THE BEST REVENGE

#400 Jan 11, 2013
Ron wrote:
<quoted text>Look at the last couple of posts. YOU accepted that description of yourself.
Just curious, since you choose to live in open rebellion against God's many Commands against all homosexual behavior, as clearly specified repeatedly in both Testaments, why do you obsess on posting on Christian threads?
I live in OPEN REBELLION of no one...GOD MADE ME JUST LIKE I AM...and he made you a gay man too...GTFOI!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#401 Jan 11, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>I live in OPEN REBELLION of no one...GOD MADE ME JUST LIKE I AM...
Rebellious and unfeminine?

Well, since you claim God made you that way, it follows you also suppose you have no responsibility to amend your ways, yet sanctification always follows salvation.

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