Bishop: Jesus would back gay marriage?

Nov 27, 2012 Full story: www.seacoastonline.com 338

Many may consider it a fact that Christianity bans gay marriage, but at least one bishop begs to differ.

A crowd packed the Congregational Church of Exeter Monday night to listen to a talk and Q&A from Gene Robinson, the openly gay Bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church ...

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#362 Jan 6, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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And yet even those spread out along the bi-sexual continuum, still have a sex drive. He continues to confuse sex drive with the expression of that drive through behavior. I have repeatedly pointed out that even people who choose not to act on the drive, still have a basic drive. Hunger is the inner human experience while eating is the physical expression of the drive. A person can be hungry without eating. We learn what to eat and even how to eat it depending on culture, yet even without learning, hunger remains a basic drive.
"Hunger is the inner human experience while eating is the physical expression of the drive."
Really? You're using that for a comparison to our sex drive and our sexual behavior? No problem.
A baby knows hunger. According to you then, a baby has sexual hunger or a sex drive that should be noticeable like it's hunger.
Why don't you explain what to look for to spot a baby's sex drive? I know what to listen for when it's hunger drive is in operation.
Or will you now state a baby doesn't have a developed sex drive? Maybe you'll say it's like cancer cells. We all have them but they lie dormant in many. Maybe we all, according to your logic, we all have dormant sex drives? But how can a dormant sex drive be dormant and yet remain hard wired at the same time?
I'm waiting to hear your rational explanations on this one :)
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#363 Jan 6, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...you can't prove humans are hard wired for sex. You haven't tried to prove it. You won't find any "credible" scientific mind that will state humans are hard wired for sex.
See, it's a fact established by studying children in groups, they are minus a preoccupation of sexual matters unlike their adult counterparts. Children are preoccupied with learning in most cases. Children mimic. They as a baby see you smile and they learn to smile. They hear you make sounds so they learn to make sounds. They see you move about. They learn to roll over. Then to crawl. Then to walk and finally to run. They finally learn how to make sounds like you and talk. They learn to sing.
Children for the first several years learn by mimicking from watching. NOT A SINGLE THING IS HARD WIRED concerning their behavior.
Sex is a behavior rooted in our attraction to one or both sexes. The fact that sex is a "learning" experience the first time, doesn't make it a hard wired behavior.
If sex was a hard wired behavior, children of age 2 and older would be displaying various sexual behaviours as it happens with adults.
If you could show children of age 2 and older regularly preformed sexual acts with other children, you could establish sex as being hard wired. But you can't. Understand the difference?
Spoken like a true bisexual
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Not to worry too much
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Bisexuals on the sliding scale make up 66% of the world's human population
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#364 Jan 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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"Hunger is the inner human experience while eating is the physical expression of the drive."
Really? You're using that for a comparison to our sex drive and our sexual behavior? No problem.
A baby knows hunger. According to you then, a baby has sexual hunger or a sex drive that should be noticeable like it's hunger.
Why don't you explain what to look for to spot a baby's sex drive? I know what to listen for when it's hunger drive is in operation.
Or will you now state a baby doesn't have a developed sex drive? Maybe you'll say it's like cancer cells. We all have them but they lie dormant in many. Maybe we all, according to your logic, we all have dormant sex drives? But how can a dormant sex drive be dormant and yet remain hard wired at the same time?
I'm waiting to hear your rational explanations on this one :)
The circuit doesn't fully close until the hormone switch is pulled, the timing of which, in human maturation, is genetic.

You really ought to spend some time getting some formal education. Take a course or two in biology and a couple more in human development. You could be an expert!

But, you sure wouldn't be hanging onto your half-baked ideas, anymore, if you did.

Rev. Ken

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#365 Jan 7, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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The circuit doesn't fully close until the hormone switch is pulled, the timing of which, in human maturation, is genetic.
You really ought to spend some time getting some formal education. Take a course or two in biology and a couple more in human development. You could be an expert!
But, you sure wouldn't be hanging onto your half-baked ideas, anymore, if you did.
Rev. Ken
The circuit doesn't fully close until the hormone switch is pulled, the timing of which, in human maturation, is genetic??? You aren't kidding as usual...lolol. You really believe this pathetic made up bull *hit you pull from where?
Fact; you and some other pathetic dweebs in here that know absolutely nothing about biology and the human mind, you all believe humans are "hard wired" for sex.
Fact; you and some other pathetic dweebs in here are having a problem trying to explain what abates this "hard wired sex drive" in children..
Fact; you with pathetic ignorance try and state that this "hard wired" sex drive comes alive sometime during the stage called adolescence. Unfortunately for you, minds of science doing research of groups of people, they have found first sexual experiences take place before adolescence and after adolescence for others. That makes you pathetic "adolescence" theory pathetic.
Fact; a so called "hard wired" sex drive for humans, like other animals/mammals cannot have a starting point IF IT IS A PREDISPOSED GENETICALLY HARD WIRED BEHAVIOR. DOUBT ME? GO ASK A FRICKING MIDDLE SCHOOL SCIENCE TEACHER.
Stupid thinks...stupid writes.....sheesh. Get a fricking brain over haul and do some reading from a reliable source.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#366 Jan 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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The circuit doesn't fully close until the hormone switch is pulled, the timing of which, in human maturation, is genetic??? You aren't kidding as usual...lolol. You really believe this pathetic made up bull *hit you pull from where?
Fact; you and some other pathetic dweebs in here that know absolutely nothing about biology and the human mind, you all believe humans are "hard wired" for sex.
Fact; you and some other pathetic dweebs in here are having a problem trying to explain what abates this "hard wired sex drive" in children..
Fact; you with pathetic ignorance try and state that this "hard wired" sex drive comes alive sometime during the stage called adolescence. Unfortunately for you, minds of science doing research of groups of people, they have found first sexual experiences take place before adolescence and after adolescence for others. That makes you pathetic "adolescence" theory pathetic.
Fact; a so called "hard wired" sex drive for humans, like other animals/mammals cannot have a starting point IF IT IS A PREDISPOSED GENETICALLY HARD WIRED BEHAVIOR. DOUBT ME? GO ASK A FRICKING MIDDLE SCHOOL SCIENCE TEACHER.
Stupid thinks...stupid writes.....sheesh. Get a fricking brain over haul and do some reading from a reliable source.
Perhaps some of your naughty bits are not connected to your nervous system?
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I've been gay hard-wired since birth
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The old ladies would gather around my crib and giggle at the horny baby
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I was horny for my mother's Italian Chef when my eyes opened for the first time
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If you are an Italian Chef slinking around in gabardine pants and a marshmallow hat; you better watch out!

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#367 Jan 7, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Perhaps some of your naughty bits are not connected to your nervous system?
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I've been gay hard-wired since birth
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The old ladies would gather around my crib and giggle at the horny baby
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I was horny for my mother's Italian Chef when my eyes opened for the first time
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If you are an Italian Chef slinking around in gabardine pants and a marshmallow hat; you better watch out!
Can't say that I got going over the Chef!

My sister and I had a nanny, "Osceola," for a while, when we were very young, when my mother taught school as a substitute English teacher, helping to make ends meet. "O-C" was about 65, large and very African. didn't look or act much like either my mother or my father or anybody else that I knew at 3YO. But, she was the Chef and she COULD COOK! I distinctly remember sucking my little sister's big toe at 2YO, but I never had any particular reason for it. It just appealed to me. I liked the buttons in my mother's sewing box and ate a bunch of them. Got 'em back about two days later, along with a nickel. I remember that. Can't remember much before 2YO. Do remember the furnace. I thought it was a Beastly octupus-elephant.

Took a liking to girls at about 4YO. Definitely knew that I liked girls at 5YO and started kissing them then.

But, the brain chakras from the crown to the crotch didn't really make much connection until about 6 or 7 when I fell in love with my 2nd grade teacher, Miss Fox. That WAS her name, too.

Actual lights on came between 11 and 12.

I'd have to say overall that the adolescence came on in stages with the actual "switch-on" thrown at about 11.5YO. Pretty normal in the scheme of things. Always knew I was heterosexual.

I don't know what the other guy's problem is. But, he sure gets worked up about the idea that human "hard-wiring" is generally genetic all the way from the hippocampus to the hippy cat & mouse! And yet, we all know it is. Even if we haven't been actually taught this in high school sex education classes.

It ain't like they wuz just one day rubbin' theyr hips together to create the spark of life!

Rev. Ken

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#368 Jan 7, 2013
RevKen wrote:
I'd have to say overall that the adolescence came on in stages with the actual "switch-on" thrown at about 11.5YO. Pretty normal in the scheme of things. Always knew I was heterosexual.
I don't know what the other guy's problem is. But, he sure gets worked up about the idea that human "hard-wiring" is generally genetic all the way from the hippocampus to the hippy cat & mouse! And yet, we all know it is. Even if we haven't been actually taught this in high school sex education classes.
It ain't like they wuz just one day rubbin' theyr hips together to create the spark of life!
Rev. Ken
Actually anyone with just a bit of learning about biology, understands hard wired sexual actions don't happen in stages as you described it.
You can be your own idiot about this all you want. Humans aren't and never were hard wired for sex. We were genetically wired to feel attractions that would lead us into acts of sex. But because we have a thinking mentality that also allows us to make choices, we complicate the act of having sex by setting forth certain rituals to take place prior to having sex. We are the only animal that does this. We are the only animal of millions that mixes romance with sex and sex with romance. Sometimes we just decide on the romance and sex doesn't take place for days to weeks to months for some.
We are not hard wired for sexual intercourse. Simple to understand. Easy to complicate as you do it well.

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#369 Jan 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Actually anyone with just a bit of learning about biology, understands hard wired sexual actions don't happen in stages as you described it.
You can be your own idiot about this all you want. Humans aren't and never were hard wired for sex. We were genetically wired to feel attractions that would lead us into acts of sex. But because we have a thinking mentality that also allows us to make choices, we complicate the act of having sex by setting forth certain rituals to take place prior to having sex. We are the only animal that does this. We are the only animal of millions that mixes romance with sex and sex with romance. Sometimes we just decide on the romance and sex doesn't take place for days to weeks to months for some.
We are not hard wired for sexual intercourse. Simple to understand. Easy to complicate as you do it well.
LOL!!!.....

You are so full of sh_t, NS, that it prolly doesn't make much sense to argue with you!!!

You've never watched a hummingbird romance his future mate, have you? Apparently not.

The only thing you know about Dolphins romancing Dolphins you probably learned on "Flipper!"

Watched an older Chimpanzee make a bid for a sweet young thing Chimpess at Lion Country Safari, one time. Youda thunk you were watching an old Italian butcher making a move on the local version of Gina Lollobrigida who said, "A woman at 20 is like ice. At 30 she is warm. At 40 she is HOT!"

He kept following her around and touching her on the heel. She repeatedly refused him and then would get up and sit down somewhere else. After a minute, he'd get up, dragging his blanket with a hind foot and go over and touch her on the heel again. Went on for about a half hour before we had to leave and he never even got to first base, even though he had a blanket and a carrot. It was hilarious. And if you don't think he knew what he wanted but wasn't sure how to get it but was rackin' his noggin for a solution, you don't understand nuthin'!

Who knows? Maybe the pheromones you emit are so laced with extract of broccoli and garlic and tobacco tars that the only girls that like you are still carrying Neanderthal gene fragments! That would leave you fairly inexperienced.

Don't know you, bud. So, I won't really speculate. All I have to go on is what you've written, so far. But, from that, one can already see that you have some serious reading and listening to do.

Life ain't over 'til its over. So, get a move on and get after the learning curve.

Rev. Ken
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#370 Jan 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
Actually anyone with just a bit of learning about biology, understands hard wired sexual actions don't happen in stages as you described it
We're not talking about hard-wired sex action
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We're discussing hard-wired sex 'orientation'
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A bisexual person such as you will have very little sex orientation; if any at all
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This is why you can't understand what we're talking about

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#371 Jan 7, 2013
Where did Joe go after I found where he was saying that Fleming was not an Episcopalian????

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#372 Jan 7, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!!!.....
You are so full of sh_t, NS, that it prolly doesn't make much sense to argue with you!!!
You've never watched a hummingbird romance his future mate, have you? Apparently not.
You're so pathetically uninformed about things you think you know that you prove you know nothing about.
Humans are the only animal on this planet of millions to billons that have existed, that can delay with purpose the actual act of intercourse for days to weeks to months at a time. No other animal specie does that. Not one. Not even your humming bird. Animals that are genetically hard wired to have sexual intercourse, do not have the mentality to delay sexual gratification as do humans. A female of different species may be able to say no, or delay sexual intercourse while she picks the most suitable male but that delay may comprise an hour to maybe several hours if there are many suitors. Do you understand? To be hard wired means/insinuates one to be driven to do something that is not based on the principle of taking one's time to choose when to do that thing.
One more try for you and the other doubting Thomases okay? This perspective comes from a person with a PHD etc. I can give you more references from other people with PHD's on this topic if you like. Note she doesn't use the terminology "HARD WIRED" for a specific reason.
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/...
Your partner may come up with a dozen excuses to say "Not tonight, dear, I have a ____," but how many reasons can the two of you name for seeking sex?
One? Two? Twenty? How about 200? Some college students have cited as many as 237 different reasons for having sex.
Today, sexual behaviors seem to have taken on many different psychological, social, cultural, even religious meanings. Yet, some sexologists say, at the most basic level, there is only one true reason people seek sex.

From pleasure to procreation, insecurity to inquisitiveness -- today's reasons for taking a roll in the hay seem to vary as much as the terms for the deed itself. A 2010 Sexuality & Culture review of sex motivation studies states that people are offering "far more reasons for choosing to engage in sexual activity than in former times." And we're doing it more often, too. It is a stark contrast from historical assumptions, which tend to cite only three sexual motivators: To make babies, to feel good, or because you're in love.

Today, sexual behaviors seem to have taken on many different psychological, social, cultural, even religious meanings. Yet, some sexologists say, at the most basic level, there is only one true reason people seek sex.

Wired for Sex

"We are programmed (not hard wired)to do so. Asking why people have sex is akin to asking why we eat. Our brains are designed to motivate (note the word "motivate")us toward that behavior,"(note the word "behavior") says Richard A. Carroll, PhD, a sex therapist and associate professor in the department of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine.

The idea that humans are hard-wired for sex(note the word "idea") reflects an evolutionary perspective, says Elaine Hatfield, PhD, professor of psychology at the University of Hawaii and author of that 2010 review examining sexual motives from cross-cultural, historical, and evolutionary viewpoints.

"Evolutionary theorists point out that a desire for sexual relations is 'wired in'(not hard wired in) in order to promote species survival," she tells WebMD in an email. "Cultural theorists tend to focus on the cultural and personal reasons people have (or avoid) sex. Cultures differ markedly in what are considered to be 'appropriate' reasons for having or avoiding sex."

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#373 Jan 7, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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We're not talking about hard-wired sex action
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We're discussing hard-wired sex 'orientation'
This will be easy for you since you believe it.
Give me three links to three accredited universities that have did studies on human sexual orientation and declare sexual orientation is hard wired into human genetics.
Waiting.....
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#375 Jan 8, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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This will be easy for you since you believe it.
Give me three links to three accredited universities that have did studies on human sexual orientation and declare sexual orientation is hard wired into human genetics.
Waiting.....
Here is the link to the American Medical Association research project that was begun in 1946 and is still underway. The AMA research is conducted in hospitals operated by medical universities around the nation
http://media01.commpartners.com/AMA/sexual_id...
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As early as 1948; the participating universities had already found that gay people are born with their own brain size and structure which is connected to the body through a spinal cord with 6 more connectors than a straight person.
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The differences have all been photographed and are visible to the naked eye on autopsy; and the knowledge is well established in the scientific and medical fields around the world
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/gay-stra...

Since: Aug 09

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#376 Jan 8, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Here is the link to the American Medical Association research project that was begun in 1946 and is still underway. The AMA research is conducted in hospitals operated by medical universities around the nation
http://media01.commpartners.com/AMA/sexual_id...
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As early as 1948; the participating universities had already found that gay people are born with their own brain size and structure which is connected to the body through a spinal cord with 6 more connectors than a straight person.
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The differences have all been photographed and are visible to the naked eye on autopsy; and the knowledge is well established in the scientific and medical fields around the world
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/gay-stra...
Excellent links!

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#377 Jan 9, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You're so pathetically uninformed about things you think you know that you prove you know nothing about.
Humans are the only animal on this planet of millions to billons that have existed, that can delay with purpose the actual act of intercourse for days to weeks to months at a time. No other animal specie does that.suitors. Do you understand? To be hard wired means/insinuates one to be driven to do something that is not based on the principle of taking one's time to choose when to do that thing.
One more try for you and the other doubting Thomases okay? This perspective comes from a person with a PHD etc. I can give you more references from other people with PHD's on this topic if you like. Note she doesn't use the terminology "HARD WIRED" for a specific reason.
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/...
, some sexologists say, at the most basic level, there is only one true reason people seek sex.
Today, sexual behaviors seem to have taken on many different psychological, social, cultural, even religious meanings. Yet, some sexologists say, at the most basic level, there is only one true reason people seek sex.
Wired for Sex
"We are programmed (not hard wired)to do so. Asking why people have sex is akin to asking why we eat. Our brains are designed to motivate (note the word "motivate")us toward that behavior,"(note the word "behavior") says Richard A. Carroll, PhD, a sex therapist and associate professor in the department of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine.
The idea that humans are hard-wired for sex(note the word "idea") reflects an evolutionary perspective, says Elaine Hatfield, PhD, professor of psychology at the University of Hawaii and author of that 2010 review examining sexual motives from cross-cultural, historical, and evolutionary viewpoints.
"Evolutionary theorists point out that a desire for sexual relations is 'wired in'(not hard wired in) in order to promote species survival," she tells WebMD in an email. "Cultural theorists tend to focus on the cultural and personal reasons people have (or avoid) sex. Cultures differ markedly in what are considered to be 'appropriate' reasons for having or avoiding sex."
When employing insults to make your case, it helps if your own posts do not fulfill the content of the insults.

You are still confusing sex drive with behavior.

While details of expression are influenced by culture, the basic drive remains even for those who choose not to express it through behavior. Like hunger, you can ignore the drive, or choose to express it through behavior. Ignoring it does not mean it does not exist.

"Asking why people have sex is akin to asking why we eat. Our brains are designed to motivate us toward that behavior," (from your link)

Your distinction between "wired" and "hard wired" is an artificial one, of your own making. When employing an operational definition, it helps to make sure everyone is aware of your definition.

Good to see you doing some of your own research. Hopefully you can also learn how to communicate in a civil manner.
Lew

Pekin, IL

#378 Jan 9, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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When employing insults to make your case, it helps if your own posts do not fulfill the content of the insults.
You are still confusing sex drive with behavior.
While details of expression are influenced by culture, the basic drive remains even for those who choose not to express it through behavior. Like hunger, you can ignore the drive, or choose to express it through behavior. Ignoring it does not mean it does not exist.
"Asking why people have sex is akin to asking why we eat. Our brains are designed to motivate us toward that behavior," (from your link)
Your distinction between "wired" and "hard wired" is an artificial one, of your own making. When employing an operational definition, it helps to make sure everyone is aware of your definition.
Good to see you doing some of your own research. Hopefully you can also learn how to communicate in a civil manner.
You really don't get it.

Orientation is not relevant to a thread discussing a Christian concept. The Bible freely states that all have base desires, but commands against all sex acts except between man and wife.

What don't you get about this?

No one is condemned for same sex attractions, but the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual acts in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#379 Jan 9, 2013
Lew wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't get it.
Orientation is not relevant to a thread discussing a Christian concept. The Bible freely states that all have base desires, but commands against all sex acts except between man and wife.
What don't you get about this?
No one is condemned for same sex attractions, but the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual acts in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.
No it doesn't
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It tells us to get buck naked and get it on three times to consummate a marriage:
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1 Samuel 18 :1> And it came to passe when hee made an ende of speaking vnto Saul, that the soule of Ionathan was knit with the soule of Dauid, and Ionathan loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:3> Then Ionathan and Dauid made a couenant, because he loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:4> And Ionathan stript himselfe of the robe that was vpon him, and gaue it to Dauid, and his garments, euen to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
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1 Samuel 20:41> And assoone as the ladde was gone, Dauid arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himselfe three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, vntill Dauid exceeded.
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1 Samuel 20:42> And Ionathan said to Dauid, Goe in peace, forasmuch as wee haue sworne both of vs in the Name of the Lord, saying; The Lord be betweene me and thee, and betweene my seede and thy seede for euer. And hee arose, and departed: and Ionathan went into the citie.
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mightie fallen in the midst of the battell! O Ionathan, thou wast slaine in thine high places.
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2 Samuel 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Ionathan, very pleasant hast thou beene vnto mee: thy loue to mee was wonderfull, passing the loue of women.
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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#381 Jan 10, 2013
Lew wrote:
<quoted text>Your filthy misinterpretation of these passages has repeatedly been proved to be a lie
If it is a lie; why is it still in the Bible?
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Hmmmmmmmm-mm?
Lew

Pekin, IL

#382 Jan 10, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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If it is a lie; why is it still in the Bible?
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Hmmmmmmmm-mm?
YOU are the liar, misrepresenting what the Bible says.

You worship your perversion, not God.

The Bible irrefutably and repeatedly condemns and prohibits all homosexual behavior in both Testaments.

You know that.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#383 Jan 10, 2013
Lew wrote:
<quoted text>YOU are the liar, misrepresenting what the Bible says.
You worship your perversion, not God.
The Bible irrefutably and repeatedly condemns and prohibits all homosexual behavior in both Testaments.
You know that.
You're part of the fundamentalist agenda to stupify the world
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Your post-1952 fake 'bible' misrepresents what the Authorized King James Bible says
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...

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