Uganda Parliament Set to Pass 'Kill the Gays'

Nov 26, 2012 Full story: EDGE 16

Uganda's government officials could pass an anti-gay legislation, known as the "kill the gays bill," by Christmas as the East African country's parliament is set to debate the issue, the Guardian reports.

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disgusted american

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Nov 27, 2012
CUT EVERY Dammed Penny of AID to that Forsaken HellHOLE
disgusted american

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Nov 27, 2012
Lars wrote:
Go Uganda go !!!
I love Uganda !!!
Move there then - but I suspect someone like you couldn't stand to live near/with TOO MANY Dark People.....
grut

United States

#5 Nov 27, 2012
Stop cheap talk guys! It's a real issue, there are real people involved and we need to offer real solutions:
1) You should never kill a person because you disagree with their life style! Even God said "thou shall not kill!".
2) Let's agree to disagree, and let's agree to tolerate one another and respect one another.
3) Do whatever is in your power to live at peace with others.
4) The laws should exist to protect everyone, not to discriminate against groups of people.
5) Let's recognize, that the world is evolving, changing rapidly, and running towards the 'end of the world' and no person can stop it. God is aware of all this, and He allows it to go on!
Personally I am 'conservative' I believe that homosexuality is sin because the Word of God says so. We should discourage people in a civil and loving way to forsake sinful lifestyle, but not pass laws to kill them! Sinful lifestyle includes homosexuality, drunkenness, sex with someone you are not married to, stealing, killing... you know the list!
The honorable Uganda MPs should not disgrace themselves with a "kill bill", but should use their platform to show how they can govern in a civil manner!

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#6 Nov 27, 2012
www.allout.org/uganda

"All Out is bringing people together in every corner of the planet and of every identity - lesbian, gay, straight, bi, transgender and all that is between and beyond - to build a world in which everyone can live freely and be embraced for who they are."

Please sign and promote the petition to stop this barbaric bill.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#7 Nov 27, 2012
grut wrote:
Stop cheap talk guys! It's a real issue, there are real people involved and we need to offer real solutions:
1) You should never kill a person because you disagree with their life style! Even God said "thou shall not kill!".
2) Let's agree to disagree, and let's agree to tolerate one another and respect one another.
3) Do whatever is in your power to live at peace with others.
4) The laws should exist to protect everyone, not to discriminate against groups of people.
5) Let's recognize, that the world is evolving, changing rapidly, and running towards the 'end of the world' and no person can stop it. God is aware of all this, and He allows it to go on!
Personally I am 'conservative' I believe that homosexuality is sin because the Word of God says so. We should discourage people in a civil and loving way to forsake sinful lifestyle, but not pass laws to kill them! Sinful lifestyle includes homosexuality, drunkenness, sex with someone you are not married to, stealing, killing... you know the list!
The honorable Uganda MPs should not disgrace themselves with a "kill bill", but should use their platform to show how they can govern in a civil manner!
You were doing well till the end. If you are using a bible that uses the word "homosexual", your are using a modern English mistranslation and misinterpretation. Those few verses used to justify harming and killing gay people were addressing harmful, abusive relationships, not those between adults based on mutual respect and love: Dr. James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary; "what the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but not condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love."

"Several books already exist attempting to demonstrate that the Christian Bible does not, in fact, condemn consenting-adult homosexuality. But God is Not a Homophobe has a unique perspective in that the author has a lifetime of experience in pastoring hard-core fundamentalist churches. His former bitter opposition to all forms of homosexuality has given way to a rational, unbiased acceptance that the Bible says hardly anything about homosexuality, and what it does say cannot honestly be used to condemn consenting same-sex unions." "God is not a Homophobe: An unbiased look at Homosexuality in the Bible" by Philo Thelos

"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts."

"The New Testament and Homosexuality" Robin Scroggs, Prof of New Testament at Union Theological Seminary is a serious theologian and is favorable reviewed by many theologians. He is a happily married heterosexual with no personal bias. He includes cites from Boswell and expands further especially on pederasty and concludes there is nothing biblically wrong with homosexuality."

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#8 Nov 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
You were doing well till the end. If you are using a bible that uses the word "homosexual", your are using a modern English mistranslation and misinterpretation. Those few verses used to justify harming and killing gay people were addressing harmful, abusive relationships, not those between adults based on mutual respect and love: Dr. James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary; "what the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but not condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love."
"Several books already exist attempting to demonstrate that the Christian Bible does not, in fact, condemn consenting-adult homosexuality. But God is Not a Homophobe has a unique perspective in that the author has a lifetime of experience in pastoring hard-core fundamentalist churches. His former bitter opposition to all forms of homosexuality has given way to a rational, unbiased acceptance that the Bible says hardly anything about homosexuality, and what it does say cannot honestly be used to condemn consenting same-sex unions." "God is not a Homophobe: An unbiased look at Homosexuality in the Bible" by Philo Thelos
"What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality" by Daniel Helminiask, PH.D., was ordained as a Catholic priest in 1967 and is incardinated in the Diocese of Pittsburgh. From 1981-1985 was Assoc Prof for Systematic Theology at Oblate School of Theology and earlier completed his Ph.D. in systematic theology at Boston College and Andover Newton Theological School. He concludes the Bible says absolutely nothing about homosexuality being sinful when you examine the actual Hebrew/Greek texts."
"The New Testament and Homosexuality" Robin Scroggs, Prof of New Testament at Union Theological Seminary is a serious theologian and is favorable reviewed by many theologians. He is a happily married heterosexual with no personal bias. He includes cites from Boswell and expands further especially on pederasty and concludes there is nothing biblically wrong with homosexuality."
And it's FUN !

:)

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#9 Nov 27, 2012

CREDO also has a petition urging Uganda president to veto the bill.

Please sign these petitions. Lives and freedoms from imprisonment are at stake.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#10 Nov 27, 2012
Conservative lawmakers in the Ugandan Parliament are once again pushing a bill that would make being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender a crime that is punishable by death.

The Ugandan "Kill the Gays" bill is back on the Parliament's schedule to be passed before the end of the year.

After he initially endorsed the bill, President Museveni responded to international pressure and promised to veto the bill. But it's going to take a massive outcry from activists to overcome intense pressure at home and ensure that he keeps this promise.

Tell Ugandan President Museveni: Keep your promise to veto the "Kill the Gays" bill. Click the link below to sign the petition.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/uganda_ve...
Dillon

Norrköping, Sweden

#11 Nov 27, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
And it's FUN !
:)
You think it's fun to take some man's pen!s up your behind? You're sick.

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#13 Nov 27, 2012
to the gays in uganda... the minute this bill passes start killing members of parliment and the cleargy that pushed for it... when done come over here to the US and kill the far right christardos and there familys who pushed this crap on your nation

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#16 Nov 27, 2012
whatever you do don't forget about the american preachers and there familys that pushed for this law in your nation... they are not even human and deserve to hear the good news as well... you know an eye for an eye...

Uve

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#19 Nov 27, 2012
Dillon wrote:
<quoted text>
STFU queer nobody's signing your stupid azz petitions.
Go Uganda go !!!
Definitely won't be you, you can't even use the same name on here twice, or everyone would know it's just ONE closet queen.
grut

Orlando, FL

#21 Nov 28, 2012
'Not Yet Equal' I appreciate you trying to forward a conversation from your perspective. I disagree with you saying that God is not Homophobe, and in your effort to rationalise that same sex marriage was acceptable to God because some people wrote books and said so in their books!
If you want me to show you the verses from the bible I can certainly find them - just challenge me! One expression the Bible uses is that homosexuality is an abomination to God, meaning it makes Him sick to His stomach and makes God want to vomit! Would you agree that God hates the act of same-sex sex? Remember sin is anything that God hates! Also the Bible clearly says that a man having sex with another man or a woman having sex with another woman - these are shameful things! and should not be named among God's followers!
When God created a man and a woman He told them to go and reproduce and fill the earth. You know that gays cannot reproduce (make children the natural way)!
Back to the point of Uganda MPs and their bill: The politicians need to divert their energies to improving the lives of Ugandans by creating ways of increasing healthcare for the people, giving opprtunities to children to get a better education, building roads to help our economy etc!
Dear MPs leave the preaching to preachers and do the job citicizens sent you to do for them or else!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#22 Nov 28, 2012
grut wrote:
'Not Yet Equal' I appreciate you trying to forward a conversation from your perspective. I disagree with you saying that God is not Homophobe, and in your effort to rationalise that same sex marriage was acceptable to God because some people wrote books and said so in their books!
If you want me to show you the verses from the bible I can certainly find them - just challenge me! One expression the Bible uses is that homosexuality is an abomination to God, meaning it makes Him sick to His stomach and makes God want to vomit! Would you agree that God hates the act of same-sex sex? Remember sin is anything that God hates! Also the Bible clearly says that a man having sex with another man or a woman having sex with another woman - these are shameful things! and should not be named among God's followers!
When God created a man and a woman He told them to go and reproduce and fill the earth. You know that gays cannot reproduce (make children the natural way)!
Back to the point of Uganda MPs and their bill: The politicians need to divert their energies to improving the lives of Ugandans by creating ways of increasing healthcare for the people, giving opprtunities to children to get a better education, building roads to help our economy etc!
Dear MPs leave the preaching to preachers and do the job citicizens sent you to do for them or else!
Except it was a bunch of old Jews who wrote all those silly rules, and NOT God.

And since Jews are NOT saved, because they steadfastly refuse to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah, WHY would you believe anything they have to say about anything at all ?

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#23 Nov 29, 2012
grut wrote:
'Not Yet Equal' I appreciate you trying to forward a conversation from your perspective. I disagree with you saying that God is not Homophobe, and in your effort to rationalise that same sex marriage was acceptable to God because some people wrote books and said so in their books!
If you want me to show you the verses from the bible I can certainly find them - just challenge me! One expression the Bible uses is that homosexuality is an abomination to God, meaning it makes Him sick to His stomach and makes God want to vomit! Would you agree that God hates the act of same-sex sex? Remember sin is anything that God hates! Also the Bible clearly says that a man having sex with another man or a woman having sex with another woman - these are shameful things! and should not be named among God's followers!
When God created a man and a woman He told them to go and reproduce and fill the earth. You know that gays cannot reproduce (make children the natural way)!
Back to the point of Uganda MPs and their bill: The politicians need to divert their energies to improving the lives of Ugandans by creating ways of increasing healthcare for the people, giving opprtunities to children to get a better education, building roads to help our economy etc!
Dear MPs leave the preaching to preachers and do the job citicizens sent you to do for them or else!
No, I don't agree God hates same sex acts, when they are in the context of an adult relationship built on mutual love and respect. What god hates is using other people against their will or in other abusive relationships. Again, several books have been written that explain: "What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." (James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary)

You are using a selective interpretation and mistranslations to justify ignoring the Golden Rule.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#24 Nov 29, 2012
Grut. I already know which mistranslated and misinterpreted verses you use to justify harming others needlessly.

"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White)

The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

While Jesus never said a word against being gay, He did tell us many times we should love others the way He loves us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death around the world.

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