Sen. McCaskill announces gay marriage support Sen. McCaskill...

Mar 25, 2013 Full story: USA Today 26

The Missouri senator joins President Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, to publicly state support for marriage equality.

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“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#1 Mar 25, 2013
I will believe she is serious when she uses some of her influence here at home, and does something concrete in way of supporting Marriage Equality in her home state of Missouri. Until then it means little to her constituents.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2 Mar 25, 2013
She's safe to come out now that she won reelection and won't have to stand for election again for 6 years.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#3 Mar 25, 2013
Has McCaskll sponsored the Respect for Marriage Act yet? If not, she's blowing smoke. And her constituents should write and tell her so.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#4 Mar 25, 2013
RalphB wrote:
I will believe she is serious when she uses some of her influence here at home, and does something concrete in way of supporting Marriage Equality in her home state of Missouri. Until then it means little to her constituents.
Exactly, Ralph. It's been interesting watching all these politicians climb on the bandwagon over the past few months. I sometimes wonder if they're not reading the writing on the wall, and making a last-minute scramble to get on the right side of history. The words are welcome, but they need to be backed up by action.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#5 Mar 25, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
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Exactly, Ralph. It's been interesting watching all these politicians climb on the bandwagon over the past few months. I sometimes wonder if they're not reading the writing on the wall, and making a last-minute scramble to get on the right side of history. The words are welcome, but they need to be backed up by action.
The GLBT citizens of Missouri have been, for all intents and purposes, totally ignored by our representatives in Washington. It is time for them to "put their money where their mouth is".

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#6 Mar 26, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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The GLBT citizens of Missouri have been, for all intents and purposes, totally ignored by our representatives in Washington. It is time for them to "put their money where their mouth is".
Yup, totally ignored b/c of that 'one man one women' thing. I see the USSC knocking down Prob 8 but doing nothing for the people in states like us---> (DOMA)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#8 Mar 26, 2013
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>Yup, totally ignored b/c of that 'one man one women' thing. I see the USSC knocking down Prob 8 but doing nothing for the people in states like us---> (DOMA)
Striking down Prop 8--even if it's very limited--will set SCOTUS on an inexorable course toward protecting equal rights for gays and lesbians. The arc of justice is long...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#9 Mar 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Striking down Prop 8--even if it's very limited--will set SCOTUS on an inexorable course toward protecting equal rights for gays and lesbians. The arc of justice is long...
All the bloggers & pundits & other "experts" who attended the hearings are saying Prop 8 is going down.

That worries me more than anything, because they also predicted Obamacare was going down.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Mar 26, 2013
The audio of the SCOTUS hearing on Prop 8 should be up on their website about 1pm ET.

www.supremecourt.gov

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#11 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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All the bloggers & pundits & other "experts" who attended the hearings are saying Prop 8 is going down.
That worries me more than anything, because they also predicted Obamacare was going down.
It's amazing. No one really "knows" how the court will rule, but they just keep on making predictions. I, for one, will wait for their decision. Then we can move on to whatever steps need to be taken.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#12 Mar 26, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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It's amazing. No one really "knows" how the court will rule, but they just keep on making predictions. I, for one, will wait for their decision. Then we can move on to whatever steps need to be taken.
I agree, but after listening to the audio, it seems less & less likely Prop 8 is going to be upheld.

I don't care HOW it is overturned, as long as it IS overturned.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#13 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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All the bloggers & pundits & other "experts" who attended the hearings are saying Prop 8 is going down.
That worries me more than anything, because they also predicted Obamacare was going down.
I've been getting more and more nervous about the media's hyperventilation over the trial this week. Excitement over our growing support is palpable.

There are few times I've felt this swept up in a movement expecting change: For example, there were the weeks before Obama's election in 2008 and, more recently, our victories last November.

But SCOTUS decisions are less predictable than elections. And there's less we can do to influence them.

You and I will be very happy if Prop 8 is struck down, no matter how. We will be please if DOMA is struck, even if Prop 8 survives. But I'm afraid many have such high expectations that they will be disappointed with anything short of crushing all opposition to marriage equality.

Which brings us back to the election of 2008. Expectations were too high. Many who had expected to wake up in a brave new world were totally disenchanted.

I just hope we don't come out of this feeling like Mitt Romney after the last election. With all the positive media coverage, it's hard to steel ourselves for a potential loss.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#14 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I agree, but after listening to the audio, it seems less & less likely Prop 8 is going to be upheld.
I don't care HOW it is overturned, as long as it IS overturned.
I think we'll learn more about the justices thinking on gay rights tomorrow. But even the liberals seemed reluctant to find any generalized right to marriage today. I think they'll take cover under the standing issue.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Mar 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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I've been getting more and more nervous about the media's hyperventilation over the trial this week. Excitement over our growing support is palpable.
There are few times I've felt this swept up in a movement expecting change: For example, there were the weeks before Obama's election in 2008 and, more recently, our victories last November.
But SCOTUS decisions are less predictable than elections. And there's less we can do to influence them.
You and I will be very happy if Prop 8 is struck down, no matter how. We will be please if DOMA is struck, even if Prop 8 survives. But I'm afraid many have such high expectations that they will be disappointed with anything short of crushing all opposition to marriage equality.
Which brings us back to the election of 2008. Expectations were too high. Many who had expected to wake up in a brave new world were totally disenchanted.
I just hope we don't come out of this feeling like Mitt Romney after the last election. With all the positive media coverage, it's hard to steel ourselves for a potential loss.
Agreed.

I never expected a broad right to marry from this case, so I won't be disappointed in the ruling at all.

Obviously it was the 4 anti-gay justices who voted to take this case in order to overturn the 9th circuit ruling.

They failed.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Mar 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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I think we'll learn more about the justices thinking on gay rights tomorrow. But even the liberals seemed reluctant to find any generalized right to marriage today. I think they'll take cover under the standing issue.
I think the only real issue tomorrow will be the level of scrutiny.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#17 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I think the only real issue tomorrow will be the level of scrutiny.
In other words, the conservative justices will be scrambling to deny the obvious: Gays have been discriminated against, and discrimination continues in law and in practice.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18 Mar 27, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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In other words, the conservative justices will be scrambling to deny the obvious: Gays have been discriminated against, and discrimination continues in law and in practice.
Correct. And I'm sure Scalia will be leading the charge against us. If anyone had ANY doubts about his obvious prejudice against gays & lesbians, that should have been erased with his comments yesterday.

More than even getting marriage equality, I look forward to the day that bigoted pompous ass is off the court.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#19 Mar 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Correct. And I'm sure Scalia will be leading the charge against us. If anyone had ANY doubts about his obvious prejudice against gays & lesbians, that should have been erased with his comments yesterday.
More than even getting marriage equality, I look forward to the day that bigoted pompous ass is off the court.
I read an article in New Yorker last week about Ginsberg. In it it is said that she tends to move incrementally in such cases. It appears that is what the court is poised to do now. You can read the article at: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/03/11...

It's a long article but a good read.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#20 Mar 27, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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I read an article in New Yorker last week about Ginsberg. In it it is said that she tends to move incrementally in such cases. It appears that is what the court is poised to do now. You can read the article at: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/03/11...
It's a long article but a good read.
This was always going to be an incremental change. There is almost ZERO chance this was ever going to be a sweeping nationwide ruling from Prop8. Those who expected such a ruling are just setting themselves up for disappointment.

But then the young always tend to be more unrealistic in their expectations. They want everything right now, and can't understand when sometimes that doesn't happen even if it SHOULD happen.

Getting California back will be a MAJOR victory, but I can see the anti-gays already spinning this as a loss for us because it doesn't look like we'll get that sweeping ruling.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#21 Mar 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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This was always going to be an incremental change. There is almost ZERO chance this was ever going to be a sweeping nationwide ruling from Prop8. Those who expected such a ruling are just setting themselves up for disappointment.
But then the young always tend to be more unrealistic in their expectations. They want everything right now, and can't understand when sometimes that doesn't happen even if it SHOULD happen.
Getting California back will be a MAJOR victory, but I can see the anti-gays already spinning this as a loss for us because it doesn't look like we'll get that sweeping ruling.
True enough. I've been at this for over 40 years, so I have experienced disappointment and victory. Small victories to be sure, but victories none-the-less. And if all that comes of this case is victory for California, that is enough. Another day will dawn, and another case will be filed. And on it goes. And if DOMA falls, I am sure Federal benefits will flow. After that the states will feel pressure from individuals, groups, and businesses to change their status on Marriage Equality. They cannot resist forever.

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