As Islam Rises in Indonesia, Polygamy...

As Islam Rises in Indonesia, Polygamy Flourishes

There are 12 comments on the The Irrawaddy Newsmagazine story from Jul 1, 2013, titled As Islam Rises in Indonesia, Polygamy Flourishes. In it, The Irrawaddy Newsmagazine reports that:

Indonesian women wearing Muslim hijab head scarves hold a sign denouncing calls by Muslim groups encouraging the practice of polygamy among government employees during a protest by a women's rights group in Jakarta ...

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Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#1 Jul 1, 2013
Their women said it loud and clear enough...

So I'll only speak for the underage children here:

"child marriage" - you guessed it, also an Islamic thing:

from the same article:

The behavior of PKS, the largest of the country’s Islamic parties, leaves Indonesia’s human rights and development objectives sorely impoverished. Not only does corruption perpetuate unequal social and economic relations, senior PKS officials send messages that represent impractical and unsustainable family units and broader social economic relations.

A recent Jakarta Globe story quoted Health Minister Nafsiah Mboi as stating that Indonesia’s family planning programs had failed, as the 2014 Millennium Development Goals target of 2.1 births per woman was still at 2.6 in 2012. Yet polygamists demonstrate that they are above efforts to decrease excessive births, especially polygamists whose wealth indemnifies them from the concerns of the rural poor who strain to provide resources for large families.

More worryingly, Nafsiah said that child marriages are increasing, which adds to higher maternal mortality rates due to immature reproductive organs.

“Currently, instances of early marriage are increasing, and teenagers under 20 years old are sexually active,” she said.

Indonesia’s mortality rate is 17,520 cases per year, or two people per hour. Sudibyo Alimoeso, acting chief of the Family Planning Board (BKKBN), also said child marriage is a contributing factor to the number.

However the failures of the family planning board are illustrated by poorly-focused programs such as a counseling campaign to provide more information about the risks of childbirth for sexually immature women, which was only introduced in non-Islamic schools.

In order to address the problem of child marriage, maternal mortality, poverty, and gender inequality, clearly religio-cultural sources such as Islam should not be ignored, and with it the unequal patriarchal social relations it produces.

Rather than seeing such issues as sites for the formation and contest of masculinity, these behaviors have real consequences for society and for females. Luthfi and Co., with their penchant for teenagers and numerous offspring, perpetuate a cycle of inequality that results in poverty, the entrapment of women to their fertility and dependence on their husbands. This is primarily a problem for developing countries, and those in prominent political positions inadvertently exemplify detrimental traditions that stall women’s progress.

The World Health Organization (WHO) describes child marriage as a complex and longstanding practice, rooted deeply in gender inequality, tradition and poverty.

“Social pressures within a community can lead families to wed young children. For example, some cultures believe marrying girls before they reach puberty will bring blessings on families. Some societies believe that early marriage will protect young girls from sexual attacks and violence and see it as a way to insure that their daughter will not become pregnant out of wedlock and bring dishonor to the family.”

According to the WHO, child marriage is increasingly recognized as a violation of the rights of girls for significant reasons: It ends education, blocking any opportunity to gain vocational and life skills. It exposes girls to the risks of too-early pregnancy, child bearing, and motherhood before they are physically and psychologically ready. It increases their risk of intimate partner sexual violence and HIV infection.

Backwards ways of thinking about women, very young women included, the institutionalization through marriage of women’s commodification in sexual relationships, the care and maintenance by multiple females of a central male patriarch, and even the benefit of multiple wives as vessels for the disbursement of illicit funds, are perpetuated and legitimized by officials like those in PKS.

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#2 Jul 1, 2013
Their women speaks for themselves loud and clear... I want to speak for their children here...

"Child Marriage" - you guessed it, another Islamic thing harming the society:

http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/38922

The behavior of PKS, the largest of the country’s Islamic parties, leaves Indonesia’s human rights and development objectives sorely impoverished. Not only does corruption perpetuate unequal social and economic relations, senior PKS officials send messages that represent impractical and unsustainable family units and broader social economic relations.

A recent Jakarta Globe story quoted Health Minister Nafsiah Mboi as stating that Indonesia’s family planning programs had failed, as the 2014 Millennium Development Goals target of 2.1 births per woman was still at 2.6 in 2012. Yet polygamists demonstrate that they are above efforts to decrease excessive births, especially polygamists whose wealth indemnifies them from the concerns of the rural poor who strain to provide resources for large families.

More worryingly, Nafsiah said that child marriages are increasing, which adds to higher maternal mortality rates due to immature reproductive organs.

“Currently, instances of early marriage are increasing, and teenagers under 20 years old are sexually active,” she said.

Indonesia’s mortality rate is 17,520 cases per year, or two people per hour. Sudibyo Alimoeso, acting chief of the Family Planning Board (BKKBN), also said child marriage is a contributing factor to the number.

However the failures of the family planning board are illustrated by poorly-focused programs such as a counseling campaign to provide more information about the risks of childbirth for sexually immature women, which was only introduced in non-Islamic schools.

In order to address the problem of child marriage, maternal mortality, poverty, and gender inequality, clearly religio-cultural sources such as Islam should not be ignored, and with it the unequal patriarchal social relations it produces.

Rather than seeing such issues as sites for the formation and contest of masculinity, these behaviors have real consequences for society and for females. Luthfi and Co., with their penchant for teenagers and numerous offspring, perpetuate a cycle of inequality that results in poverty, the entrapment of women to their fertility and dependence on their husbands. This is primarily a problem for developing countries, and those in prominent political positions inadvertently exemplify detrimental traditions that stall women’s progress.

The World Health Organization (WHO) describes child marriage as a complex and longstanding practice, rooted deeply in gender inequality, tradition and poverty.

“Social pressures within a community can lead families to wed young children. For example, some cultures believe marrying girls before they reach puberty will bring blessings on families. Some societies believe that early marriage will protect young girls from sexual attacks and violence and see it as a way to insure that their daughter will not become pregnant out of wedlock and bring dishonor to the family.”

According to the WHO, child marriage is increasingly recognized as a violation of the rights of girls for significant reasons: It ends education, blocking any opportunity to gain vocational and life skills. It exposes girls to the risks of too-early pregnancy, child bearing, and motherhood before they are physically and psychologically ready. It increases their risk of intimate partner sexual violence and HIV infection.

Backwards ways of thinking about women, very young women included, the institutionalization through marriage of women’s commodification in sexual relationships, the care and maintenance by multiple females of a central male patriarch, and even the benefit of multiple wives as vessels for the disbursement of illicit funds, are perpetuated and legitimized by officials like those in PKS.

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#3 Jul 1, 2013
sorry for double-post, it didn't show up the first time...
MobileDick

Kansas City, MO

#4 Jul 1, 2013
Listen turd ... you are an imbecile no one gives a sh1t about.

Much less about Indonesia.
Muslim

Hurst, TX

#5 Jul 1, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
sorry for double-post, it didn't show up the first time...
The fact of the matter is that very resourceful Christian organizations are actively converting the Indonesian Muslims into Christanity since the American Administration overthrew the great
Indonesian President for criticizing American foreign policy.

At least 20 - 30 % Indonesians have already been converted and a new island has been created for these Christians.

That is where Greed and Materialism is rampant and so is divorce.
In Pakistan and Afghanistan also, these Christian organizations have been bribing the poor people to convert to Christanity. But the people in that part of the world are very tough, staunch and strict Muslims.

The fastest growing religion of the world is Islam.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
Fat Jack

Las Vegas, NV

#6 Jul 1, 2013
Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact of the matter is that very resourceful Christian organizations are actively converting the Indonesian Muslims into Christanity since the American Administration overthrew the great
Indonesian President for criticizing American foreign policy.
At least 20 - 30 % Indonesians have already been converted and a new island has been created for these Christians.
Just out of curiosity, which great Indonesian president are you referring to? Sokarno? Soharto? Gus Dur (Wahid)? Megawati? Can't be the current president, Yodoyono, which is probably the best of the group, but by no means would he be considered great.

And exactly which island are you talking about?

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#7 Jul 1, 2013
Muslim wrote:
The fact of the matter is that very resourceful Christian organizations are actively converting the Indonesian Muslims into Christanity since the American Administration overthrew the great
Indonesian President for criticizing American foreign policy.
At least 20 - 30 % Indonesians have already been converted and a new island has been created for these Christians.
That is where Greed and Materialism is rampant and so is divorce.
In Pakistan and Afghanistan also, these Christian organizations have been bribing the poor people to convert to Christanity. But the people in that part of the world are very tough, staunch and strict Muslims.
The fastest growing religion of the world is Islam.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
Fast-growing Islam winning converts in Western world
"April 14, 1997"

Here's more modern data:

Islam Losing Ground to Christianity
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TCJ...

Fastest Slowing Religion - Islam
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T48...

Muslims Worry About Christians Outgrowing Them
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TD5...
MobileDick

Kansas City, MO

#8 Jul 1, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
... Islam Losing Ground to Christianity ...
I think you're a muslim posing as an infidel.

You certainly sound like one ... all the lullabies (read: taqqiyyah) to make us feel safe and sound ... in the middle of the storm.
.
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Either that or you are a complete imbecile.

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#10 Jul 2, 2013
MobileDick wrote:
I think you're a muslim posing as an infidel.
You certainly sound like one ... all the lullabies (read: taqqiyyah) to make us feel safe and sound ... in the middle of the storm.
.
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Either that or you are a complete imbecile.
Which of "muslim" or "complete imbecile" make you feel safe, Zussie?
MobileDick

Kansas City, MO

#11 Jul 2, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>
Which of "muslim" or "complete imbecile" make you feel safe, Zussie?
By whatever name you call me you still sound like an infiltrating muzzie.

And an imbecile.

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#12 Jul 2, 2013
MobileDick wrote:
By whatever name you call me you still sound like an infiltrating muzzie.
And an imbecile.
Why would you put "muslim" and "complete imbecile" on equal ground and why would they make you feel "safe and sound", Tom?
Effendi Bohong

Brisbane, Australia

#13 Jul 14, 2013
I've never understood why polygamy is seen as desirable. Any man who has ever had an intimate relationship with a woman would be well aware that women are much more potent, sexually, than men. The average man wouls be hard pressed to satisfy one woman, whereas any woman could easily satisfy half a dozen men.

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