Threatened With Extinction, Conservative Opinions on Marriage Begin to Evolve

Dec 28, 2013 Full story: EDGE 56

There's no question that 2013 was a landmark year for LGBT rights in America. Along with the two Supreme Court decisions that legalized marriage on the federal level, there was a development that, in the long view of history, may prove to have been just as historic: capitulation by conservative forces that have fought just as long and at least as ... (more)

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Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#1 Dec 28, 2013
Well done article.
david traversa

Cordoba, Argentina

#2 Dec 28, 2013
It takes fools 100 years to adapt themselves to anything new or different .. Even electric light was once declared "the work of the devil" ..

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#3 Dec 28, 2013
david traversa wrote:
It takes fools 100 years to adapt themselves to anything new or different .. Even electric light was once declared "the work of the devil" ..
a lot of religious people think the computer is 'the work of the devil' but how many of them have a computer? Hmmmm.

Since: Oct 10

San Francisco

#4 Dec 28, 2013
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>a lot of religious people think the computer is 'the work of the devil' but how many of them have a computer? Hmmmm.
Judging by the number of Topix trolls, far too many.
Sick of Bigots and Morons

San Francisco, CA

#5 Dec 28, 2013
Hooray! May the GOP dinosaur soon go extinct.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#6 Dec 28, 2013
david traversa wrote:
It takes fools 100 years to adapt themselves to anything new or different .. Even electric light was once declared "the work of the devil" ..
I never 'adapted' to brussell sprouts and I'll never adapt to the great gay intrusion.

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#7 Dec 28, 2013
Those who hold out will do so, only as long as the money continues to flow. When the anti gay donors dwindle, so will the anti gay political groups. When equality is the law of the land, people like the duck guy will only be seen as out of date bigots, just as the KKK is seen today.

Since: Oct 13

Location hidden

#8 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I never 'adapted' to brussell sprouts and I'll never adapt to the great gay intrusion.
Yet you take the time to troll a gay forum 24/7

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#9 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I never 'adapted' to brussell sprouts and I'll never adapt to the great gay intrusion.
Obviously that's your choice.

Knowing some anti-gays like you will be miserable for the rest of your pathetic lives only makes our victories all that much sweeter.
Sir Andrew

Honolulu, HI

#10 Dec 28, 2013
GoldenGator wrote:
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Judging by the number of Topix trolls, far too many.
Don't be fooled; there are only three or four antigay Topix trolls. One of them is a feckless youngster with an atlas, a book of boys names and way too much time on his hands. He posts multiple times with fake names and cities. We call him the Little Liar. He also comes back under another ID and post positive ratings for each of his earlier posts, often even posting a rave about his earlier posts. Watch for him to say someone's post has been "spot on," a phrase not used in real life since the late 1800s. This troll produces about 95% of the nasty messages.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#11 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
I never 'adapted' to brussell sprouts and I'll never adapt to the great gay intrusion.
No one is intruding on you to force you to eat Brussels sprouts OR to be gay. Quit with the drama.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#12 Dec 28, 2013
There has been some evolution on the right, but for the most part what we have been seeing are the smarter rats getting off the sinking ship first.
david traversa

Rosario, Argentina

#13 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I never 'adapted' to brussell sprouts and I'll never adapt to the great gay intrusion.
Im sure we'll survive your failure to adapt very nicely ; and so will the rest of the world ; in short , nobody could care less .
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I never 'adapted' to brussell sprouts and I'll never adapt to the great gay intrusion.
The sickest bigots are dying out from the population. We don't need you to adapt.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#15 Dec 28, 2013
There is no question that conservatives are fractured on a variety of topics. That observation about young people is, however, short-sighted. Young people like be contrary and rebellious, Once the government is forcing them to worship in the religion oh Equality and Tolerance, their rebellion will change. Gays may find their social progress destroyed by their political success,
Christaliban

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Dec 28, 2013
I dislike this premise because it could be construed to mean that right wingers are becoming okay. They aren't. And Portman is an especially vile example - only when _his_ family member wanted equal rights did he change. He was blind to all those other people. They didn't count, or even exist in his mind.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#17 Dec 28, 2013
Chance wrote:
There is no question that conservatives are fractured on a variety of topics. That observation about young people is, however, short-sighted. Young people like be contrary and rebellious, Once the government is forcing them to worship in the religion oh Equality and Tolerance, their rebellion will change. Gays may find their social progress destroyed by their political success,
Young people today, even among those who are brought up to be socially conservative, are far more likely to have grown up with someone who who has come out, or to know someone who is openly gay than those as recent as a decade ago. The people they know don't usually fit any of the right's stereotypes. someone having a firm grasp of the reality of the world around them can even temper religious indoctrination.They are bright enough to realize that this really is a civil rights issue. You're losing the battle for the hearts, minds and votes of young folk, even among otherwise conservative young folk. You onlu have yourselves to blame.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#18 Dec 28, 2013
Chance wrote:
There is no question that conservatives are fractured on a variety of topics. That observation about young people is, however, short-sighted. Young people like be contrary and rebellious, Once the government is forcing them to worship in the religion oh Equality and Tolerance, their rebellion will change. Gays may find their social progress destroyed by their political success,
Young people are indeed more inclined toward contrary or rebellious behavior. The problem with your analysis is that nobody is forcing young people to worship or do anything. Young people understand that they have been told things about gay people by their elders that simply don't correlate with their own experience.

"In interviews with gay teens, teenagers have repeatedly said it's adults who pose the biggest obstacles, not their own peers." http://www.humboldtbeacon.com/ci_24808377/adu...

It's somewhat like the lies that the older generation told young people about marijuana in the days of "Reefer Madness" -- how using it would make them all sex-crazed and psychotic fiends. But kids in the 1960s and '70s came to realize that their parents generation had been lying to them. Marijuana wasn't as bad as they had been led to believe. It's one of the things that led to what became known as the "generation gap."

Similarly, kids today understand that their parents' and grandparents' generations have been lying or passing along disinformation about gay people all along. Unlike 10 or 20 years ago, today almost all kids willingly and positively acknowledge knowing a gay person. It's not a big deal to them.

Their "rebellion" -- at least their attitude towards gay people -- won't change anymore than the acceptance of marijuana changed.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#19 Dec 29, 2013
Now if only the "EDGE" could write like that more often ! That should be it's MINIMUM standard.

<huge sigh>

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#20 Dec 29, 2013
Chance wrote:
There is no question that conservatives are fractured on a variety of topics. That observation about young people is, however, short-sighted. Young people like be contrary and rebellious, Once the government is forcing them to worship in the religion oh Equality and Tolerance, their rebellion will change. Gays may find their social progress destroyed by their political success,
Is that the best you can come up with? No wonder you're losing the cultural war.

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