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Judge rejects couple's argument for refusing gay customers

There are 324 comments on the St. Cloud Times story from Sep 21, 2017, titled Judge rejects couple's argument for refusing gay customers. In it, St. Cloud Times reports that:

The St. Cloud couple's lawsuit was a pre-emptive effort to avoid penalties for turning away same-sex customers. Judge rejects couple's argument for refusing gay customers The St. Cloud couple's lawsuit was a pre-emptive effort to avoid penalties for turning away same-sex customers.

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Clark

Wilmington, DE

#1 Sep 21, 2017
This judge should be removed from the bench.
Space ace

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Sep 21, 2017
Why are we being forced to serve the sodomites? Sick of these scum!
cowboy chris

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Sep 21, 2017
Stupid business move. I would never hire these bigots, I hope they wasted a lot of money on their 'Look-At-Me!' lawsuit!
cowboy chris

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Sep 21, 2017
Get Real wrote:
With fresh Conservative Judges at the supreme court this decision will be reversed, if there is anything wrong in this country it is this.

I can't imagine our legal system stating that we as free people in a free country "have" to serve anyone who behaves in a way we deem immoral, unhealthy, and wrong.
A lot of straight people behave in immoral, unhealthy ways. Who appointed you the arbiter of morality? If you are in business it's supposed to be to make a living, not to tell others how to live.
cowboy chris

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Sep 21, 2017
Get Real wrote:
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And free people in a free country can refuse to serve straight people that behave badly too. I am the judge of what is immoral for me, and you are for you, and so is everyone else. it just so happens that certain behaviors are deemed wrong by the majority.
Nice try, the majority of Minnesotans voted FOR gay marriage. I wasn't one of them but that's my personal opinion and not something to interject in my business practices. I did kick a guy out of my business for swearing really loud on his cell phone. And I don't know if he was gay or straight. How do you know?

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#10 Sep 21, 2017
Get Real wrote:
I can't imagine our legal system stating that we as free people in a free country "have" to serve anyone who behaves in a way we deem immoral, unhealthy, and wrong.
Get Real wrote:
And free people in a free country can refuse to serve straight people that behave badly too.
Merchants can refuse to serve someone if they behave badly IN THE STORE, but merchants cannot simply pre-emptively ban entire demographics of people whom they've never even met.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#11 Sep 21, 2017
Space ace wrote:
Why are we being forced to serve the sodomites? Sick of these scum!
What do you tell them STR8 "sodomites"? Pick up a crying towel and troll on!
Space ace

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Sep 21, 2017
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>What do you tell them STR8 "sodomites"? Pick up a crying towel and troll on!
Sick homo scum! Gods gonna bring his wrath onto you! You are demon possessed!!!! Enjoy hell scum! Who wants poop on their paynus? Sicko!
Space ace

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Sep 21, 2017
EdmondWA wrote:
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Merchants can refuse to serve someone if they behave badly IN THE STORE, but merchants cannot simply pre-emptively ban entire demographics of people whom they've never even met.
Wrong.
Uranus

Tempe, AZ

#14 Sep 21, 2017
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>What do you tell them STR8 "sodomites"? Pick up a crying towel and troll on!
Did your mother have any children that lived?
Davycrockettt

United States

#16 Sep 21, 2017
Get Real wrote:
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And the majority of the states where gay marriage was up for vote, voted against it, I am talking on a national level not local.

I think you had a right to throw someone out for swearing, and actually for any behavior, and being gay is a behavior. We are not talking about a skin color or an ethnic background, we are talking about a behavior.
Is being straight a behavior? Hahaha what a fool
Sophie

Tempe, AZ

#17 Sep 21, 2017
Space ace wrote:
<quoted text> Sick homo scum! Gods gonna bring his wrath onto you! You are demon possessed!!!! Enjoy hell scum! Who wants poop on their paynus? Sicko!

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#18 Sep 21, 2017
Space ace wrote:
Wrong.
It would seem that a federal judge has just agreed with me.

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#21 Sep 21, 2017
Get Real wrote:
Not all gay people act gay, however some do, that is a behavior and a merchant should be able to refuse service to anyone he deems behaving wrong or inappropriate. he is the owner and should have that power, as we should all have the power to keep people who we deem conducting immoral behavior from our lives. I certainly exercise that right.
And what exactly is "acting gay"? Is it holding hands? Maybe a kiss in public? I'm pretty sure straight people do that, too, but I don't see any being kicked out of public accommodations for it.

You have (and should have) the right to fill your personal life with the people you deem fit. But when it comes to a public accommodation, you do not have the right to stand at the door and decide who may shop there and who may not, based on your own arbitrary standards of morality. You have to serve everyone. Your public shop is not merely your personal life. It's part of the community, and it's beholden to a long list of commerce laws and regulations. The merchant agrees to abide by these laws at the time that they apply for their business license.

If someone comes in and makes a scene or destroys property, THEN you have the right to kick THAT person out. But their individual behavior does not give you the right to then prohibit anyone else from shopping if they happen to share one characteristic with the trouble maker.

What you're advocating is an end to the Civil Rights Act. If you got your way, any merchant could decide that "being an interracial couple" is a bad behavior, or that "being Jewish" is immoral conduct. There would be no limits at all on the excuses a merchant could give for keeping out any class of people he doesn't like. You're advocating a caste system. And it would be foolish for you to think that you'd never be the target of it.

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#22 Sep 21, 2017
Sophie wrote:
shut up stupid no one agreed with you
Chief District Judge John Tunheim of Minnesota agreed with me.

It's clear that the plaintiffs in this case used the same level of legal argument that you have. Here's hoping that future discriminators continue to stoop to "shut up stupid" in their efforts to make their cases.
Space ace

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Sep 21, 2017
Sophie wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Okv9CCxMQYoXX
tim & eric awesome show.
Space ace

Minneapolis, MN

#25 Sep 21, 2017
EdmondWA wrote:
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And what exactly is "acting gay"? Is it holding hands? Maybe a kiss in public? I'm pretty sure straight people do that, too, but I don't see any being kicked out of public accommodations for it.

You have (and should have) the right to fill your personal life with the people you deem fit. But when it comes to a public accommodation, you do not have the right to stand at the door and decide who may shop there and who may not, based on your own arbitrary standards of morality. You have to serve everyone. Your public shop is not merely your personal life. It's part of the community, and it's beholden to a long list of commerce laws and regulations. The merchant agrees to abide by these laws at the time that they apply for their business license.

If someone comes in and makes a scene or destroys property, THEN you have the right to kick THAT person out. But their individual behavior does not give you the right to then prohibit anyone else from shopping if they happen to share one characteristic with the trouble maker.

What you're advocating is an end to the Civil Rights Act. If you got your way, any merchant could decide that "being an interracial couple" is a bad behavior, or that "being Jewish" is immoral conduct. There would be no limits at all on the excuses a merchant could give for keeping out any class of people he doesn't like. You're advocating a caste system. And it would be foolish for you to think that you'd never be the target of it.
If a gay acts effeminate in front of me i will walk up to him with a clenched fist and..........
Space ace

Minneapolis, MN

#26 Sep 21, 2017
Get Real wrote:
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I'm not going to answer a novel. I'll simply say that I don't want to witness anything sexual from gay people, and I don't want it displayed in front of my children, and the vast majority of parents will agree with me.

You keep comparing being gay to hetro, and it is not the same thing.
The perverts want our children. Gays are pedophiles.

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#28 Sep 21, 2017
Get Real wrote:
I'm not going to answer a novel.
Go to Twitter if you can't think past 140 characters.
Get Real wrote:
I'll simply say that I don't want to witness anything sexual from gay people, and I don't want it displayed in front of my children, and the vast majority of parents will agree with me.
Walking into a store and asking to buy a product does not involve "witnessing anything sexual".
Get Real wrote:
You keep comparing being gay to hetro, and it is not the same thing.
I am comparing being human to being human. You're going to keep seeing judges strike down these arguments if they involve nothing more than allowing some people to be human and others to remain hidden and silent.

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#29 Sep 21, 2017
Space ace wrote:
If a gay acts effeminate in front of me i will walk up to him with a clenched fist and..........
.....and you'll go to jail for assault? Good plan.

What a stupid thing to get upset over, someone acting effeminate. Who cares? Is there freedom in this country or not? I guess you would prefer that there not be.

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