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There are 16145 comments on the The Morning Call story from Feb 22, 2009, titled Gay couples hope legislation makes Hawaii first Western state w.... In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Hawaii , the state that adopted the nation's first "defense of marriage" constitutional amendment a decade ago, has now become the latest battleground in the fight for same-sex civil unions.

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“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#16622 Oct 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You lie.
In making the claim that 'children are not a requirement of marriage', you remove them.
What a weak and desperate load of horse shyt. But then, who would expect anything else out of such an intentionally deceptive cur like you.

"Not a requirement" in no way, shape of form comes close to translating as "to be abolished". But then, you know this already. You are just so pathetically desperate, that lying is all you have to fall back on. You reek of pathetic. But don't worry yourself over it Gregory Kirschmann, you always have, so nothing has changed.

KiMare wrote:
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Moreover, you negate the unique role of mother and father, not only by asserting that anyone can fill the role, but that only one gender can do so.
Just as you negate the unique role of father and father. You seem to think good parenting is the sole result of a gender combination. You would be wrong.
KiMare wrote:
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You are a lying gay twirling troll who throws not just your own mother and father under the bus, but walks on children to fabricate a facade!
You are a pathetic liar for Jesus. Nothing more. Let us know when you and your ilk have anything close to a real argument. Until then, you just keep fundie twirling your phony constraints and your unsupported cut and pastes.

have a nice day cur.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16623 Oct 23, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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What a weak and desperate load of horse shyt. But then, who would expect anything else out of such an intentionally deceptive cur like you.
"Not a requirement" in no way, shape of form comes close to translating as "to be abolished". But then, you know this already. You are just so pathetically desperate, that lying is all you have to fall back on. You reek of pathetic. But don't worry yourself over it Gregory Kirschmann, you always have, so nothing has changed.
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Just as you negate the unique role of father and father. You seem to think good parenting is the sole result of a gender combination. You would be wrong.
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You are a pathetic liar for Jesus. Nothing more. Let us know when you and your ilk have anything close to a real argument. Until then, you just keep fundie twirling your phony constraints and your unsupported cut and pastes.
have a nice day cur.
I've already noted several times that the last two times the courts intervened in marriage and family, children were eliminated from consideration. No fault divorce and abortion.

The first resulted in horrible well being outcomes for children, the second in forty million murders of children. Your claim that this is different is simply not the experience.

As to parents, I note that every legitimate study gives a significant advantage to birth parents, as nature intended. You lie about me limiting it solely to anything. But father and 'father' is a pointless duplication at the expense of mother, or vise versa.

And once again your ignorant, hateful bigotry is making you stupid.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#16624 Oct 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I've already noted several times that the last two times the courts intervened in marriage and family, children were eliminated from consideration. No fault divorce and abortion.
The first resulted in horrible well being outcomes for children, the second in forty million murders of children. Your claim that this is different is simply not the experience.
As to parents, I note that every legitimate study gives a significant advantage to birth parents, as nature intended. You lie about me limiting it solely to anything. But father and 'father' is a pointless duplication at the expense of mother, or vise versa.
And once again your ignorant, hateful bigotry is making you stupid.
I yawn at your tripe.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16625 Oct 23, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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I yawn at your tripe.
Lol.
I accept your concession.
Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16627 Oct 24, 2013
providence09 wrote:
I was taught we are all equal in the eyes of God and the United States. If it is wrong to discriminate based on color then it should be wrong to discriminate because of sexual orientation.
Gays are not harming heterosexuals. Not once have I seen a group of homosexuals protesting against a heterosexual marriage nor have I witnessed any harm being done to a heterosexual couple's life by a gay couple tying the knot. If I'm not mistaken, it is their life, not yours.
I agree that we should not discriminate about human rights.

However, we should discriminate between relationships. Marriage distinguishes the most significant relationship of society. The sole natural and best birthplace of human fruit.

At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Ss couples are a defective failure of mating behavior.

Real marriage has always been and will always be a committed relationship between one man and one woman. Demanding it ain't so doesn't make it so.

It is the only relationship that reproduces naturally, a father and mother raising their children.

It is the only relationship that is the birthing place of every single other type of relationship.

It is the only relationship that reunites two completely unique parts. A complimentary union, instead of a duplicated half.

It is the only relationship that sexually fit together by design. There is no abusive violation of design.

It is the only relationship that restores a male and female to the very original roots of our creation, pre-gender.

It is the only union that blends two different genders bringing perfect balance. A same gender union lacks diversity and is off balance.

All this says nothing about the cultural, historic and religious distinctions that marriage wholly embraces.

It clearly has, needs and deserves a special and unique definition. It is absurd and sacrilegious to equate ss couples.
Mikey

Fullerton, CA

#16628 Oct 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You lie.
In making the claim that 'children are not a requirement of marriage', you remove them.
Moreover, you negate the unique role of mother and father, not only by asserting that anyone can fill the role, but that only one gender can do so.
You are a lying gay twirling troll who throws not just your own mother and father under the bus, but walks on children to fabricate a facade!
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More hate and bigotry from three t*ts. You're sick and you need to stop POS.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16629 Oct 24, 2013
Mikey wrote:
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More hate and bigotry from three t*ts. You're sick and you need to stop POS.
Leave it to the resident gay pedophile to disdain protecting children and acknowledging mom and dads.

Crawl back in the hole you came out of pervert.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16631 Oct 24, 2013
providence09 wrote:
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I doubt allowing a handful of homosexuals to marry is going to alter or effect sex between heterosexuals. Baby making will continue as it has for ever. Babies will be born.
It's quite childish to use that as the reason to refuse marriage to a group of people.
Where did I claim it would affect sex between straights?

What is childish and stupid is your ignoring the numerous distinctions I note.

Moreover, words describe reality. You are attempting to impose a lie on the most important relationship in society, and then make the idiotic claim it will have no affect.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#16632 Oct 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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What is childish and stupid is your ignoring the numerous distinctions I note.
We ignore them because they are completely irrelevant to anyone but you.
KiMare wrote:
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Moreover, words describe reality.
And reality is, you're a cur.
KiMare wrote:
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You are attempting to impose a lie on the most important relationship in society, and then make the idiotic claim it will have no affect.
No one is imposing anything, and not one person, including you, including all the lawyers hired by fundamentalist anti-gay organizations, and including the Supreme Court, has presented any negative affect that our marriages cause. Not one.

You remain an idiot.
Ben Dover

United States

#16633 Oct 24, 2013
One man and one woman. One man and one man? Just sick.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16636 Oct 24, 2013
providence09 wrote:
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If I skipped over anything it was because your "points" are not worth commenting on.
BS

You had no reasoned response to counter reality.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16637 Oct 24, 2013
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#16638 Oct 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Calm down Jonah, you are going Postal...
Do you understand that your hatful ranting is not just exposing the weakness of your position, but the depravity of it too?
Leave marriage, family and children alone. Man up and get your own relational identity instead of bring embarrassed about what it looks like. Time for you boys to stand on your own two feet.
Are you worried you can't?
Smile.
You can't take on the people who don't have an argument so you take on the people that really don't... Kinda like getting three stars as an Indy on Netflix. What a shame that I'd only give you a paltry one-star. Hey, at least you're somewhat entertaining!!!:D

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#16639 Oct 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Quite the contrary, any sex, so long as it's with a person who demeans, is demeaning. However, there is only one comparable way to heterosexual relations that two men can experience sexual intimacy, and that is through anal sex. Regardless, that doesn't say people experience making love in just one nor two ways, but rather, that an individual should experience making love in which ever way he or she feels comfortable. Do I feel comfortable having anal sex? No!!! Has that prevented me from having a loyal husband who stands by my side no matter what and we find other ways to express our intimacy?! No!!! It's like Robin Williams said in that movie when he played the president, he said something akin to, "I don't see a problem with gay marriage! To me, isn't all of marriage the same old sex?"

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16640 Oct 25, 2013
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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You can't take on the people who don't have an argument so you take on the people that really don't... Kinda like getting three stars as an Indy on Netflix. What a shame that I'd only give you a paltry one-star. Hey, at least you're somewhat entertaining!!!:D
In other words, there is not reasoned argument for calling ss couples married.

Hence, when I point out the idiocy of the gay twirl talking points even you have to go, "Duh"!

And the only reason you coughed up one star, was to complete your gay troll attack, otherwise, your denial would concede nothing.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16643 Oct 25, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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Your obsession with anal sex is creepy.
Normal people would say the practice of anal sex is perverted.

And here you are defending something inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#16644 Oct 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Normal people would say the practice of anal sex is perverted.
Normal people wouldn't be thinking about the sex other people have.
KiMare wrote:
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And here you are defending something inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
I didn't defend anal sex in any way, shape or form. I don't need to. The subject of my comment was your obsession, not anal sex. Don't worry cur, your lack of comprehensive skills is already well established.

“Equality First”

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#16645 Oct 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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In other words, there is not reasoned argument for calling ss couples married.
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Sure there is. Over 1,000 rights privileges,and responsibilities, granted by the Federal Government, and several of the states. You may be able to cover a few of them with a will, trust, or contract, but nothing gives them all, except marriage.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#16646 Oct 25, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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Sure there is. Over 1,000 rights privileges,and responsibilities, granted by the Federal Government, and several of the states. You may be able to cover a few of them with a will, trust, or contract, but nothing gives them all, except marriage.
A mutually sterile, pointlessly duplicate gendered half of marriage clearly does not qualify.

Quite imposing an impostor relationship on women and children. Man up and get your own relational identity.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#16648 Oct 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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In other words, there is not reasoned argument for calling ss couples married.
Hence, when I point out the idiocy of the gay twirl talking points even you have to go, "Duh"!
And the only reason you coughed up one star, was to complete your gay troll attack, otherwise, your denial would concede nothing.
Smile.
You know, I'm usually not about wasting my time convincing ideologues like yourself to view an issue any differently than you already do because whatever good arguments there are, they almost always fall on deaf ears and empty hearts. I can name a number if good reasons for equal civil marriage. Here are just three good reasons:

1. Lack of recognition for ss mariage has and has had real-world consequences for gay couples such as:
A. Unfair additional tax burdons on income and inheritance.
B. Denial of employer-provided pensions and health care coverage.
C. Inability to combine credit causes economic disadvantages when buying a house.
D. Combined assets taxed at the highest rate.
2. Denial of basic rights all spouses are afforded:
A. Inability to make decisions for the health and care of a partner.
B. Refusal of hospital visitation rights.
C. Extended family can pre-empt the rights of a surviving spouse to their partner's assets and even forbid he or she from attending the funeral.
3. What we do is none of your business and government ought not interfere with our rights nor single us out to be treated differently than other couples.

In conclusion, I really don't care why it why not you think ss couples don't deserve the same rights as other couples. In theory, we all have the same constitutial right to fair and equal treatment under the law. To deny that to us is in violation of our rights.

Oh, one last reason... This isn't about you, so get your nose out of our business!!!

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