Hawaii House Hears From Public on Gay Marriage

There are 77 comments on the EDGE story from Nov 1, 2013, titled Hawaii House Hears From Public on Gay Marriage. In it, EDGE reports that:

More than half of Hawaii's House lawmakers spent Halloween listening to public sentiments as they consider legalizing gay marriage, giving some hints of how they might modify a bill already passed by the Senate.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#64 Nov 5, 2013
The Illinois House passed the bill after just 2 1/2 hrs of debate.

And the stupidity drags on in Hawaii....

Though as I speak they're about to FINALLY vote the bill out of committee and send it to the full House.

“RULING IN JUNE”

Since: Aug 08

WILL FUEL PRIDE WEEK :-)

#65 Nov 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
The Illinois House passed the bill after just 2 1/2 hrs of debate.
And the stupidity drags on in Hawaii....
Though as I speak they're about to FINALLY vote the bill out of committee and send it to the full House.
Which they have done......FINALLY!!!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#66 Nov 6, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Which they have done......FINALLY!!!
Yeah!!

Now the House debates it today, with a final vote likely on Friday.

I think the anti-gays hurt themselves when all their dirty tricks came to light during the "testimony".

So Hawaii would be #16 even though their law will take effect before Illinois.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#67 Nov 6, 2013
Cuccinelli LOST in Virginia!!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#68 Nov 6, 2013
snyper wrote:
Cuccinelli LOST in Virginia!!
It disturbs me, however, that he wasn't whomped. Between his involvement in forced ultrasounds, voter disenfranchisement, and scandals involving snake oil, Cuccinelli should have been drummed out of the party and out of office. As it was, he lost by a small margin.

And the Republican running for Cuccinelli's old job of Attorney General is wacko, too. He may have lost by a hundred or a few hundred votes. But Republicans will be in charge of the recounts.

But perhaps this is just what Governor McDonnell needs to draw attention away from himself.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#69 Nov 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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It disturbs me, however, that he wasn't whomped. Between his involvement in forced ultrasounds, voter disenfranchisement, and scandals involving snake oil, Cuccinelli should have been drummed out of the party and out of office. As it was, he lost by a small margin.
And the Republican running for Cuccinelli's old job of Attorney General is wacko, too. He may have lost by a hundred or a few hundred votes. But Republicans will be in charge of the recounts.
But perhaps this is just what Governor McDonnell needs to draw attention away from himself.
All recounts should count ONLY Republican votes.

<s>

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#70 Nov 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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It disturbs me, however, that he wasn't whomped. Between his involvement in forced ultrasounds, voter disenfranchisement, and scandals involving snake oil, Cuccinelli should have been drummed out of the party and out of office. As it was, he lost by a small margin.
And the Republican running for Cuccinelli's old job of Attorney General is wacko, too. He may have lost by a hundred or a few hundred votes. But Republicans will be in charge of the recounts.
But perhaps this is just what Governor McDonnell needs to draw attention away from himself.
You continue to surprise and delight me with you political acumen.

When are YOU going to run?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#71 Nov 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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It disturbs me, however, that he wasn't whomped. Between his involvement in forced ultrasounds, voter disenfranchisement, and scandals involving snake oil, Cuccinelli should have been drummed out of the party and out of office. As it was, he lost by a small margin.
And the Republican running for Cuccinelli's old job of Attorney General is wacko, too. He may have lost by a hundred or a few hundred votes. But Republicans will be in charge of the recounts.
But perhaps this is just what Governor McDonnell needs to draw attention away from himself.
It's STILL Virginia.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#72 Nov 6, 2013
snyper wrote:
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You continue to surprise and delight me with you political acumen.
When are YOU going to run?
Your compliment is much appreciated. But you have no idea how much I despise everything about political campaigns.

The way to reach at least 90% of the people whom you need to vote for you is not with thoughtful discourse and subtle insight: It is with sound-bites and convincing insincerity. And even for the few of us who try to be informed about bills and voting records, it's still nearly impossible to figure out who's telling the truth.

[For instance, "Blue Skies" may actually be the name of an environmental deregulation bill. But who wants to support a politician who voted against blue skies? Don't even get me started on the USA PATRIOT act. I have nothing but contempt for all the pundits who have suddenly discovered the dangers inherent in secret surveillance with no accountability.]

Then there's the tribalistic cheering that permeates political rallies. I simply cannot support policies because one party or the other supports them, and I cannot oppose policies for the same reason. I cannot oppose other politicians simply because they belong to the other party. And I can't schmooze up to people whom I find detestable.

I can hardly imagine anything more antithetical to my personality than printing up larger-than-life posters of my face with the simpleton message "vote for me!" Nor would I participate effectively in character assassinations--which ever side I were on.

And back to the rallies. I don't like sports fans either. I mean, really, it was nice to see the Sox win the series. But I wanted to be nowhere near Back Bay the day after. There is a reason I snuck out of school every Friday when we had the pep rallies.

Oh, and one more thing: Even if I managed to get through the electioneering, I'm not convinced I could sit through the daily life of a legislator. Observing the sessions during the marriage battles was enough for me. I am not sure I could maintain attention for all those long days of bickering about nothing meaningful.

But, nevertheless, thanks again. I have great respect for your knowledge and experience. So the compliment is very well received.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#73 Nov 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Your compliment is much appreciated. But you have no idea how much I despise everything about political campaigns.
The way to reach at least 90% of the people whom you need to vote for you is not with thoughtful discourse and subtle insight: It is with sound-bites and convincing insincerity. And even for the few of us who try to be informed about bills and voting records, it's still nearly impossible to figure out who's telling the truth.
[For instance, "Blue Skies" may actually be the name of an environmental deregulation bill. But who wants to support a politician who voted against blue skies? Don't even get me started on the USA PATRIOT act. I have nothing but contempt for all the pundits who have suddenly discovered the dangers inherent in secret surveillance with no accountability.]
Then there's the tribalistic cheering that permeates political rallies. I simply cannot support policies because one party or the other supports them, and I cannot oppose policies for the same reason. I cannot oppose other politicians simply because they belong to the other party. And I can't schmooze up to people whom I find detestable.
I can hardly imagine anything more antithetical to my personality than printing up larger-than-life posters of my face with the simpleton message "vote for me!" Nor would I participate effectively in character assassinations--which ever side I were on.
And back to the rallies. I don't like sports fans either. I mean, really, it was nice to see the Sox win the series. But I wanted to be nowhere near Back Bay the day after. There is a reason I snuck out of school every Friday when we had the pep rallies.
Oh, and one more thing: Even if I managed to get through the electioneering, I'm not convinced I could sit through the daily life of a legislator. Observing the sessions during the marriage battles was enough for me. I am not sure I could maintain attention for all those long days of bickering about nothing meaningful.
But, nevertheless, thanks again. I have great respect for your knowledge and experience. So the compliment is very well received.
You do well-enough in HERE!

<evil chuckle>

Since: Mar 09

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#74 Nov 6, 2013
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#75 Nov 6, 2013
After 1000+ of the 5100 public speakers; the Bill Moves Ahead
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/2...
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#76 Nov 6, 2013
Here's the headlines from last night after 55 hours of testimony was halted
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/2...

“RULING IN JUNE”

Since: Aug 08

WILL FUEL PRIDE WEEK :-)

#77 Nov 6, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
After 1000+ of the 5100 public speakers; the Bill Moves Ahead
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/2...
One should read the comments at the end of the article......sounds just like the stuff here......lol!!!
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#78 Nov 7, 2013
From the Honolulu Star Advertiser:
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MARRIAGE EQUALITY PATH CLEAR AS EVER
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POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 07, 2013
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Same-sex couples and heterosexual couples deserve the same marriage rights, and the special session of Hawaii's Legislature has made this essential truth even more obvious.
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Lawmakers should move swiftly to approve a measure that succeeds in bestowing overdue legal recognition to same-sex couples, while preserving the religious liberty of those who so outspokenly oppose this advancement of civil rights.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#79 Nov 7, 2013
From the Honolulu Star Advertiser:
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OPPOSITION FAILS
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House majority leader says ‘support sufficient' for passage
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By Derrick DePledge
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POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 07, 2013
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The state House voted late Wednesday to move forward with a marriage equality bill after a day of drama and emotion where lawmakers plowed through numerous procedural motions and amendments that would have postponed action or significantly amended the bill to expand a religious exemption.
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The 30-18 decision sets up a final House vote on Friday to fulfill a 48-hour notice requirement. If the House approves the bill, it would return to the Senate for another review next week.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#80 Nov 7, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
From the Honolulu Star Advertiser:
.
MARRIAGE EQUALITY PATH CLEAR AS EVER
.
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 07, 2013
.
Same-sex couples and heterosexual couples deserve the same marriage rights, and the special session of Hawaii's Legislature has made this essential truth even more obvious.
.
Lawmakers should move swiftly to approve a measure that succeeds in bestowing overdue legal recognition to same-sex couples, while preserving the religious liberty of those who so outspokenly oppose this advancement of civil rights.
DAMN the votes ! FULL SPEED AHEAD !

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