Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36036 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#22255 Nov 13, 2013
But do notice the difference between the NAB and the KJV, albeit modern translations, noting the difference and then look over the notes of NAB and compare to the notes you embedded in the passage. Note the difference. Note the similarities. Now decide which one is the correct translation. Caution, only one is correct. But how do we know what is the correct translation? Oh, right, only one true apostolic church exists. So how do we decide? Church or Scripture? What determines who is right are a series of rules that are called hermeneutics. Now some make up their own rules and some depend on an accepted set of rules. Then there are some that convince themselves otherwise that Scripture says just what it says.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#22256 Nov 13, 2013
“Idolatry is the elevation of a preliminary concern to ultimacy. Something essentially conditioned is taken as unconditional, something essentially partial is boosted into universality, and something essentially finite is given infinite significance (the best example is the contemporary idolatry of religious nationalism). The conflict between the finite basis of such a concern and its infinite claim leads to a conflict of ultimates; it radically contradicts the biblical commandments and the first theological criterion.”
Systematic Theology, Paul Tillich, Vol. I, p. 12.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#22257 Nov 13, 2013
#3471
The greater calling is not what has become modern Christianity's moralistic righteousness but the becoming, a new being in Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17. Douglas John Hall speaks to this “new being” in his book,“God and Human Suffering.” In the Judeo-Christian belief, there is a form of suffering that belongs to the created order but, it is not God's intention that created order is to be without pain. The potential of humans to realize the fullness of life – the existential struggle, a divine intention brings to man's attention what constitutes, implies a becoming; a “new being” in Christ.

What constitutes this “new being” is the potential of man to trust. With trust, decision we can become like Christ. After all, Jesus came to us because the Law did not convey what was totally apparent. Sadly, man still does not get it.

Trust, in God, is unconditional, just as is belief in God. No belief is sufficient to believe in God. With such a belief is the claim that man knows God. Man does not know God.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#22258 Nov 13, 2013
akopen wrote:
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Nor should it Dusty. KiMare missuses what we agree with to validate what it was he was saying to you.
Some history:
#3031
II. THE RADICAL EXAMPLE OF ISAIAH 56
Is it then impossible for the church to speak a new word on this difficult issue? On what basis would such a word be spoken? A biblical case study presents
itself for examination: the welcome to the foreigners and eunuchs in Isaiah 56, apparently overturning both tradition and Torah. This study will concentrate primarily on the new word regarding eunuchs. According to Leviticus no one with “crushed testicles” shall “come near the curtain or approach the altar, because he has a blemish”(Lev 21:16-23). Deuteronomy’s prohibition is even more severe, denying such “blemished” persons
not only the priesthood but any participation in the worshiping community:
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to
the assembly of the Lord.(Deut 23:1)
But, in Isaiah 56, the prophet speaks a new word: For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will
give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.
(Isa 56: 4-5)
Indeed, along with the foreigners,
these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.(Isa 56:7)
#3061
It seems as if many of the Early Church Fathers had their catamites; it was the way. Seems as if this was the Arian way too. This challenges the nature of Jesus. Jesus without sin and without a woman. Evidently, a man that used his tool was considered a man. Since Jesus did not use his tool he was considered effeminate or a natural eunuch (homosexual as we know them.) Where Jesus could have married Paul would not have been able to because of being an unnatural eunuch.
Natural eunuchs were left alone. Unnaturals were governed never to marry. What was illegal were men that forced their tool on other men. Hence the pedophilia. It was not unnatural to take a young boy. This pedophilia activity was throughout the Mediterranean and legal. What was illegal was to do another man and disgrace him. Oh ya, the upper class was exempt; as in, the youth and girls. Adultery was made a crime against the state; and still had much to do with property rights.
The Church had to define Jesus' divinity but this pails with the Church's problem with pederasty; still rampant with the Church today.
By ancient definition, a natural eunuch, was a man that was capable but not interested in women (homosexual today.) This made all priests fit the definition of being a homosexual. The definition of a man changed and men began to lose their lives; death by fire.
Politics once again defines homosexuality.
BS.

In Matthew 19, Jesus was talking about the options to marriage. As you note, he covered all the bases. They were all celibate.

Once again reality makes you stupid. You might want to check the sources for your word study...

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#22259 Nov 13, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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BS.
In Matthew 19, Jesus was talking about the options to marriage. As you note, he covered all the bases. They were all celibate.
Once again reality makes you stupid. You might want to check the sources for your word study...
Yes, and not one mention of gay men or lesbians.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#22260 Nov 13, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Yes, and not one mention of gay men or lesbians.
Idiotic denial. Even AK disagrees with you.

Since: Aug 09

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#22261 Nov 13, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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BS.
In Matthew 19, Jesus was talking about the options to marriage. As you note, he covered all the bases. They were all celibate.
Once again reality makes you stupid. You might want to check the sources for your word study...
But, of course, we now know and understand that He didn't cover all the bases, in that snippet of scripture.

The fact is, that it is just as He said, "Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given."

***

Please, don't let your own lacking be an offense to you. You still have the capacity to learn from what has been given, even if it has not initially been given to you.

However, for this to happen, you must choose to be willing to learn.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#22262 Nov 13, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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But, of course, we now know and understand that He didn't cover all the bases, in that snippet of scripture.
The fact is, that it is just as He said, "Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given."
***
Please, don't let your own lacking be an offense to you. You still have the capacity to learn from what has been given, even if it has not initially been given to you.
However, for this to happen, you must choose to be willing to learn.
Clearly, that is not the only truth you were not given ...
Pock Suppet

Crows Nest, Australia

#22264 Nov 13, 2013
KiMare is clearly obsessed with homosexuality.

The only threads he bothers visiting are homosexual themed, and where he proceeds to rant incoherently at other posters, e.g....

* Homosexuality and the Bible
* Dr. James Dobson: "Shame On Schools" For Teaching Homosexuality Is OK
* Gay marriage
* Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions
* Is homosexuality a sin?

To my way of thinking, this is most unhealthy behaviour, and almost certainly stems from KiMare's inability to accept his own homosexuality.

Are there any rational people who have a view about this phenomenon?

FWIW

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#22265 Nov 13, 2013
Pock Suppet wrote:
KiMare is clearly obsessed with homosexuality.
The only threads he bothers visiting are homosexual themed, and where he proceeds to rant incoherently at other posters, e.g....
* Homosexuality and the Bible
* Dr. James Dobson: "Shame On Schools" For Teaching Homosexuality Is OK
* Gay marriage
* Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions
* Is homosexuality a sin?
To my way of thinking, this is most unhealthy behaviour, and almost certainly stems from KiMare's inability to accept his own homosexuality.
Are there any rational people who have a view about this phenomenon?
FWIW
Golly, what on earth do you think might be going on?

Smile.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#22267 Nov 13, 2013
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Since: Feb 09

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#22268 Nov 14, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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I know what free will means because I read its definition right out my Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
I speak in English, not in doctrine.
Liar.

Since: Feb 09

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#22269 Nov 14, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Look at your avatar, Rev. Santa, and then explain to me how I'm supposed to have a serious discussion with you!
You are the one not capable of having a serious discussion. You probably look at people of another skin color and make the same determination. Pathetic!

Your reply proves you are not interested in having a serious discussion. Let the petty bickering continue!

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#22270 Nov 14, 2013
akopen wrote:
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Joe, you seem to say that free will comes to us from God. Where in the Bible does it say, free will?
Let me help you out. The Bible does not speak of "free will." Your definition lies with the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. Any other reference to free will is doctrine.
Nicely said!

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#22271 Nov 14, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Actually I said choices come to us from God, e.g., Deuteronomy 30:15 and 30:19.
Which proves that the Bible is contradictory and can not be trusted.

(11) "Only, let every one lead the life which the Lord has assigned to him, and in which God has called him" (1 Cor. 7:17 RSV),
(12) "...your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:16 NIV),
(13) "Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24),
(20) "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails" (Prov. 19:21 NIV),
(22) "Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed" (Job 14:5 NIV),
(23) "From one man God made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live" (Acts 17:26 NIV),
(24) "...for that that is determined shall be done" (Dan. 11:36),

Since: Feb 09

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#22272 Nov 14, 2013
akopen wrote:
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You are correct to point out 21.
More so, my point was related to Rev. Alan's comment about talking about oral sex.
How many ways can a man have sex with a woman?
I have seen porno movies that started out with that question.

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#22273 Nov 14, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Yes Jesus is divine, and sex is temporary.
Prove it. If Jesus did actually exist he died 2,000 years ago. You are what is temporary KiMare. You have not paid for your life and when you die it will be taken from you and you die like a dog.

Eccle. 3:19-21, "For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other; yet they all have one breath; so that man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go to one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth."

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#22274 Nov 14, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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I don't. At any rate, it's irrelevant. It does not affect my marriage at all.
Good for you. KiMare loves to rain on other people's parades. Normal people celebrate diversity while KiMare will not even tolerate it.

I hope KiMare lives long enough to see the first gay marriage performed on the White House lawn.

GOD: Romans 13:1 MARY,“Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those governments that exist have been instituted by God.”

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#22276 Nov 14, 2013
akopen wrote:
But do notice the difference between the NAB and the KJV, albeit modern translations, noting the difference and then look over the notes of NAB and compare to the notes you embedded in the passage. Note the difference. Note the similarities. Now decide which one is the correct translation. Caution, only one is correct. But how do we know what is the correct translation? Oh, right, only one true apostolic church exists. So how do we decide? Church or Scripture? What determines who is right are a series of rules that are called hermeneutics. Now some make up their own rules and some depend on an accepted set of rules. Then there are some that convince themselves otherwise that Scripture says just what it says.
The Bible influenced by politics? I'm shocked:

1 SAM. 13:1

("Saul was .?. years old when he began to reign"--RSV, NAB, NWT, MT)

versus ("50 years old"--NEB)

versus ("40 years old"--ASV, NAS)

versus ("30 years old"--NIV).

Again, 1 SAM. 13:1

("...and for 2 years he reigned over Israel"--NWT, MT, NAB)

versus ("and he reigned over Israel for 22 years" --NEB)

versus ("he reigned 32 years"--NAS)

versus ("he reigned over Israel 42 years"--NIV)

versus ("one or two years"--LV).

KJ = King James Version, RS = Revised Standard Version, ML = Modern Language, AS = American Standard Version, NEB = New English Bible, NAB = New American Bible, NI = New International Version, NAS = New American Standard, TEV = Today's English Version, BBE = Bible in Basic English, NWT = New World Translation, JB = Jerusalem Bible, LV = Lamsa's Version, MT = Masoretic Text, LB = Living Bible].

Since: Feb 09

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#22277 Nov 14, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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BS.
In Matthew 19, Jesus was talking about the options to marriage. As you note, he covered all the bases. They were all celibate.
Once again reality makes you stupid. You might want to check the sources for your word study...
Preaching and pew warming is what makes you stupid Greg.

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