Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36053 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.smh.com.au.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21442 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Of course marriage is a sacrament. How ever calling SS couples is sacrilegious in the Christian faith, and an oxymoron in social science.
You are making a mockery of Christianity and science. Really foolish.
KiMare, I don't call what you believe, Christian. You can if you like, I don't.

HISTORY of the SACRAMENT of MATRIMONY

http://ldysinger.stjohnsem.edu/THM_544_Marria...

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21443 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
God welcomes you too, but you will need to come on His conditions and repent of immorality.
Immorality is being moralistic. There is only one sin in the Bible and that is idolatry. What you need is a history lesson. Why don't you use the internet to begin your lessons on Christian thought. Really begin to understand that your idea of marriage is modern and not biblical. How can you deny yourself truth that comes with defined history. History can only be removed if lies persist.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21444 Oct 21, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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You also wrote this (P#21418):
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You dispute my point, and then without reasoned defense of your assertion shift to another foolish assertion.
Marriage has existed apart from civil law also. However, neither situation invalidates God designing the relationship from the beginning.
You quote is more applicable to you than anyone else.
Apparently, you have not understood that God also designed the same-sex relationship, too, from the Beginning of the time when same-sex relationships first occurred.
Now, we will acknowledge God's Intelligent Design of such relationships and will proceed to add them to the roles of moral relationships thriving lawfully, psychologically and spiritually within a healthy, functioning, civil society.
We will marry them and encourage and accept them in Christian Life as well as secular, lawful, civil life.
Enjoy the prospect.
Rev. Ken
Thanks for this post Rev. Ken it is helpful.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21445 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
God designed no such thing.
Matthew 19 provides the alternatives to marriage between a man and woman. They are all celibate.
You need to repent if your lies.
I guess you missed my post on Matthew 19 from last night. Simple, Matthew 19 addressed the difficulties arising between three factions, Roman law, Judaism and Christianity. Given that marriage was nothing more than a civil law both in Roman law and Judaism, Christianity struggled with both expectations of Judaism (not unlike circumcision) of young Jewish men and Roman civil law requiring men to be men. The presence of Eunuchs caused radical change within the Roman Empire and the Early Church. Eusebius, a eunuch, was chosen by the Emperor to organize his court. Nobody was granted access to the Emperor without Eusebius's permission. Eusebius was also an Early Church Father.

In my estimation, Eunuchs were the downfall of the Roman Empire and the reason pedophilia exists in the Church.

As for marriage, well, Matthew 19: 10 translated "wife" and "to marry" come from the Greek, "gunaikos" and "gamEsai." These two words correctly translated mean, "woman" and "to have sex." Now, you cannot argue with "gunaikos" but the translation I give for "gamEsai," "to have sex" instead of the translation, "to marry," may take a little more convincing. Especially for you. From the Greek word, I believe to be the root of "gamEsai" is "gamos" and that word means "to f**k." This is not any different than what Genesis teaches us nor is it contrary to the Song of Solomon. Having intercourse constituted what we now call marriage. Premarital sexual intercourse.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21446 Oct 21, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFAO!!!....(The F stands for Friar.)
Matthew 19 provides nothing of the sort.
Matthew 19 doesn't even disuss celibacy, per se, and even if in part, certainly not in any definitive measure.
You are full of Baloney, Kimare!
And yes, just as you say, God created the heterosexual relationship - for heterosexuals; God also specifically created the homosexual relationship for homosexuals.
Recognizing this FACT, through psychological and genetic research revealed in the last 60 years, we will now acknowledge the God-given right of these fellow Human Beings to marry and live their lives in full acceptance, legally and spiritually, among us.
Let's look forward to the Gift of Companionship and Intimacy given, sacramentally, to these people who are so very fortunate to have found each other in the face of such extremist adversity, such as you represent to them in defiance of the Teachings of Jesus.
May God Bless them, again and again.
Rev. Ken
A duly ordained priest and disciple of the LORD, Christ Jesus.
Great post again. Thanks Rev. Ken.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#21449 Oct 21, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
The Episcopal Church welcomes me. If you don't like it, don't come.
No butch,I don't like you or your kind in my Church, unless you are there to repent and stop your nasty habits.
Come to the Church but don't try to change it to match your chosen perversion. That is all you people want to do. Corrupt the Church.
Just like marriage, there is one marriage and that is between one man and one woman. Go take you same sex union and be happy they don't try to put you in jail like they do in other countries but don't call it marriage because it isn't.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#21450 Oct 21, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFAO!!!....(The F stands for Friar.)
Matthew 19 provides nothing of the sort.
Matthew 19 doesn't even disuss celibacy, per se, and even if in part, certainly not in any definitive measure.
You are full of Baloney, Kimare!
And yes, just as you say, God created the heterosexual relationship - for heterosexuals; God also specifically created the homosexual relationship for homosexuals.
Recognizing this FACT, through psychological and genetic research revealed in the last 60 years, we will now acknowledge the God-given right of these fellow Human Beings to marry and live their lives in full acceptance, legally and spiritually, among us.
Let's look forward to the Gift of Companionship and Intimacy given, sacramentally, to these people who are so very fortunate to have found each other in the face of such extremist adversity, such as you represent to them in defiance of the Teachings of Jesus.
May God Bless them, again and again.
Rev. Ken
A duly ordained priest and disciple of the LORD, Christ Jesus.
Not only is your response to Matthew 19 nothing but unsubstantiated denial once again, but you LIE about reference to celibacy.

God clearly created humanity, male and female, to be reunited in marriage, reflecting the full image of God. Something that is impossible for duplicate gendered couples.

Homosexuality is clearly a defective sexual disorder, the result of the fall. Or as genetic science is uncovering, a epi-marker mistake at conception.

Christian homosexuals are invited to establish godly relationships that are rich, deep and lasting as David and Jonathon did. However, marriage is reserved for a man and woman.

I warn you Ken, you are in grave eternal danger deceptively distorting what God's Word says.

2 Peter 2:1-3 (GW)
1 False prophets were among God's people {in the past}, as false teachers will be among you. They will secretly bring in their own destructive teachings. They will deny the Lord, who has bought them, and they will bring themselves swift destruction.
2 Many people will follow them in their sexual freedom and will cause others to dishonor the way of truth.
3 In their greed they will use good-sounding arguments to exploit you. The verdict against them from long ago is still in force, and their destruction is not asleep.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#21451 Oct 21, 2013
akopen wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you missed my post on Matthew 19 from last night. Simple, Matthew 19 addressed the difficulties arising between three factions, Roman law, Judaism and Christianity. Given that marriage was nothing more than a civil law both in Roman law and Judaism, Christianity struggled with both expectations of Judaism (not unlike circumcision) of young Jewish men and Roman civil law requiring men to be men. The presence of Eunuchs caused radical change within the Roman Empire and the Early Church. Eusebius, a eunuch, was chosen by the Emperor to organize his court. Nobody was granted access to the Emperor without Eusebius's permission. Eusebius was also an Early Church Father.
In my estimation, Eunuchs were the downfall of the Roman Empire and the reason pedophilia exists in the Church.
As for marriage, well, Matthew 19: 10 translated "wife" and "to marry" come from the Greek, "gunaikos" and "gamEsai." These two words correctly translated mean, "woman" and "to have sex." Now, you cannot argue with "gunaikos" but the translation I give for "gamEsai," "to have sex" instead of the translation, "to marry," may take a little more convincing. Especially for you. From the Greek word, I believe to be the root of "gamEsai" is "gamos" and that word means "to f**k." This is not any different than what Genesis teaches us nor is it contrary to the Song of Solomon. Having intercourse constituted what we now call marriage. Premarital sexual intercourse.
Didn't miss it at all. See my response to the rev.
Poof

Madison, WI

#21453 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't miss it at all. See my response to the rev.
Jesus has revoked your Get out of Hell Free card. No place for you with Him.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#21454 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't miss it at all. See my response to the rev.
Your response it STILL completely irrelevant to my federally recognized civil marriage and my church sanctioned sacrament.

It's also extremely awkward that a pastor would repeatedly spell the word sacrament incorrectly (you type sacrement).

How the hell are you supposed to know what one is if you can't even spell it, Greg?

Why don't you tell me about my apostate church, as if anyone gives a shit what you think?

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21455 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't miss it at all. See my response to the rev.
Like usual you present no honest rebutal. Nothing you say is worth addressing. Everything you say is opinion.

You did not address the Greek words that were translated marriage and wife. You said nothing about the exegesis on Matthew 19. By the way, that exegesis comes out of a Catholic commentary. As for the history, well I know that is beyond your comprehension.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21456 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Not only is your response to Matthew 19 nothing but unsubstantiated denial once again, but you LIE about reference to celibacy.
God clearly created humanity, male and female, to be reunited in marriage, reflecting the full image of God. Something that is impossible for duplicate gendered couples.
Homosexuality is clearly a defective sexual disorder, the result of the fall. Or as genetic science is uncovering, a epi-marker mistake at conception.
Christian homosexuals are invited to establish godly relationships that are rich, deep and lasting as David and Jonathon did. However, marriage is reserved for a man and woman.
I warn you Ken, you are in grave eternal danger deceptively distorting what God's Word says.
2 Peter 2:1-3 (GW)
1 False prophets were among God's people {in the past}, as false teachers will be among you. They will secretly bring in their own destructive teachings. They will deny the Lord, who has bought them, and they will bring themselves swift destruction.
2 Many people will follow them in their sexual freedom and will cause others to dishonor the way of truth.
3 In their greed they will use good-sounding arguments to exploit you. The verdict against them from long ago is still in force, and their destruction is not asleep.
KiMare, until you can document that God or Jesus defines what marriage is you have no argument. I showed you what the Greek language says the translation marriage represents but you made no comment or rebuttal except to reiterate your opinion and what is Christian faith. Jesus was not of the Christian faith. Jesus was not the founder of Christian faith. Jesus' followers established the Christian faith and there in lies Christian belief. Low and behold, Christians don't agree with each other as to what Christology is all about. What a fickle mess.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#21457 Oct 21, 2013
akopen wrote:
<quoted text>
Like usual you present no honest rebutal. Nothing you say is worth addressing. Everything you say is opinion.
You did not address the Greek words that were translated marriage and wife. You said nothing about the exegesis on Matthew 19. By the way, that exegesis comes out of a Catholic commentary. As for the history, well I know that is beyond your comprehension.
Interesting. You were fine with the 'rev's' view of marriage.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21458 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting. You were fine with the 'rev's' view of marriage.
I've presented links to a gay site and I believe a Catholic site, if not Catholic site regarding marriage. And, although the Catholics establish marriage as a sacrament and it is apart of their Catholic faith, that does not preclude that marriage has always been religous. But, you cannot bring yourself to accept that fact, the fact that God did not establish marriage and that Judaism did not establish marriage and that the Early Church did not have any idea about marriage until Roman civil law was associated with the Early Church. Enter Catholicism. Enter Christendom.

You really don't know your history. You'll probably going to say something like, "History is not necessary to read the Bible." I get it. You are a literalist (a biblicist, a fundamentalist). You believe in absolutes and anything that deviates from your truths is just false prophesy.

They did not get it then and they don't get it now.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#21459 Oct 21, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
No butch,I don't like you or your kind in my Church, unless you are there to repent and stop your nasty habits.
Come to the Church but don't try to change it to match your chosen perversion. That is all you people want to do. Corrupt the Church.
Just like marriage, there is one marriage and that is between one man and one woman. Go take you same sex union and be happy they don't try to put you in jail like they do in other countries but don't call it marriage because it isn't.
Who would want to go to your church. God isn't there.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#21460 Oct 21, 2013
akopen wrote:
<quoted text>
KiMare, until you can document that God or Jesus defines what marriage is you have no argument. I showed you what the Greek language says the translation marriage represents but you made no comment or rebuttal except to reiterate your opinion and what is Christian faith. Jesus was not of the Christian faith. Jesus was not the founder of Christian faith. Jesus' followers established the Christian faith and there in lies Christian belief. Low and behold, Christians don't agree with each other as to what Christology is all about. What a fickle mess.
Well said.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#21461 Oct 21, 2013
akopen wrote:
<quoted text>
KiMare, until you can document that God or Jesus defines what marriage is you have no argument. I showed you what the Greek language says the translation marriage represents but you made no comment or rebuttal except to reiterate your opinion and what is Christian faith. Jesus was not of the Christian faith. Jesus was not the founder of Christian faith. Jesus' followers established the Christian faith and there in lies Christian belief. Low and behold, Christians don't agree with each other as to what Christology is all about. What a fickle mess.
Matthew 19 is my documentation.

The Church I pastored for twenty years was in fellowship with almost all the Churches including Catholic in our community during that time. We celebrated Easter sunrise together among numerous other events and participated in outreaches together.

I don't know anyone who agrees with your statement above. You must have a very small religion.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#21462 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 19 is my documentation.
The Church I pastored for twenty years was in fellowship with almost all the Churches including Catholic in our community during that time. We celebrated Easter sunrise together among numerous other events and participated in outreaches together.
I don't know anyone who agrees with your statement above. You must have a very small religion.
How many "sacrements" did you have?

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21463 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew 19 is my documentation.
The Church I pastored for twenty years was in fellowship with almost all the Churches including Catholic in our community during that time. We celebrated Easter sunrise together among numerous other events and participated in outreaches together.
I don't know anyone who agrees with your statement above. You must have a very small religion.
My documentation came directly out of the Jerome Biblical Commentary, ed., 1968. I used the NAB or Catholic Bible, ed., 1971.

I quoted and documented. You did not acknowledge that documention. If you want more documentation regarding Eunuchs, I can give you that too.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#21464 Oct 21, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
No butch,I don't like you or your kind in my Church, unless you are there to repent and stop your nasty habits.
Come to the Church but don't try to change it to match your chosen perversion. That is all you people want to do. Corrupt the Church.
Just like marriage, there is one marriage and that is between one man and one woman. Go take you same sex union and be happy they don't try to put you in jail like they do in other countries but don't call it marriage because it isn't.
The Supreme Court of the United States begs to differ!

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