Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36053 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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Florida Gator

Chesapeake, OH

#21420 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>That is not the only problem KiMare the Reprobate.

You write AS IF there was one Bible with out errors. This is dishonest, deceitful and deceptive as I have proven in here too many times to count.

GEN. 19:14 ("Lot went out, and spoke unto his sons-in-law which married his daughters"--KJ, ASV, BBE, NAB, NWT, MT, LV) versus ("Lot went out and said to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters"--RS, LB, NIV, JB, NEB, TEV, NAS). Were the sons-in-law married to Lot's daughters and how could they be sons-in-law if they weren't)?

Give up the Bible KiMare, it can not be trusted as it is unreliable.
Hey Quit spamming the boards with your nonsense Rev. [email protected] For someone who enjoys molesting little boys, you sure spew a lot of bible verses to cover. You pathetic piece of sh!t.
Florida Gator

Chesapeake, OH

#21421 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>That is completely dishonest because there are many more references celebrating homosexual sex.

Ecclesiastes 3:1, "There is a time for everything [homosexuality], and a season for every activity [same sex marriage] under heaven:"
You being a Queer Pedophile, why do you only molest little boys?
Florida Gator

Chesapeake, OH

#21422 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>What R1 AKA Shadow refuses to do is accept the verses in the Bible, like MiMare that apply to him.

Q. What do our resident loons do to gay people?

A. What they do to gay people they do to Jesus. This tells us what they think about Jesus.

JESUS: Matthew 25:40 MARY “Truly I tell you, whatever you do to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you do to me.”

If you were Jesus would you like what KiMare and R1 do to you?
I bet Rev. [email protected] had a big weekend with the little boys, huh queer.
SHADOW

Canyon Lake, TX

#21424 Oct 21, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
What's up? Did your mother drop you on your head every day when you were growing up?
Run Forrest....Run.
Still no comprehension I see.
You need help wasted water and I mean now.
I will remind you STDs may be the cause in which case there is no cure cause you will continue you same sex habit and just contract it again.

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#21425 Oct 21, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Still no comprehension I see.
You need help wasted water and I mean now.
I will remind you STDs may be the cause in which case there is no cure cause you will continue you same sex habit and just contract it again.
Yes we can see you have comprehension disabilities.

What an idiotic response.

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#21426 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such sacrement in Christianity. Nor is there such a relationship in marriage. It is always the reunion of diverse genders.
It is a deceptive impostor.
You need to get out of the Episcopal Chruch threads if you don't know that there are 7 SACRAMENTS. Marriage is one of them.

Since: Jun 07

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#21427 Oct 21, 2013
The Sacraments

“Sacraments are outward and visible signs of inward and spiritual grace”(Book of Common Prayer, p. 857).

Besides baptism and the Eucharist (Holy Communion), the church recognizes other spiritual markers in our journey of faith. These include:


Confirmation (the adult affirmation of our baptismal vows), pp. 413-419, Book of Common Prayer
Reconciliation of a Penitent (private confession), pp. 447-452, Book of Common Prayer
Matrimony (Christian marriage), pp. 422-438, Book of Common Prayer
Orders (ordination to deacon, priest, or bishop), pp. 510-555, Book of Common Prayer
Unction (anointing with oil those who are sick or dying) pp. 453-467, Book of Common Prayer

These help us to be a sacramental people, seeing God always at work around us.

Since: Jun 07

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#21429 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course marriage is a sacrament. How ever calling SS couples is sacrilegious in the Christian faith, and an oxymoron in social science.
You are making a mockery of Christianity and science. Really foolish.
You are the jackass who said it was not a SACRAMENT.

Since: Jun 07

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#21430 Oct 21, 2013
The Episcopal Church welcomes me. If you don't like it, don't come.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#21431 Oct 21, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
The Episcopal Church welcomes me. If you don't like it, don't come.
God welcomes you too, but you will need to come on His conditions and repent of immorality.

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#21432 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
God welcomes you too, but you will need to come on His conditions and repent of immorality.
You also wrote this (P#21418):

KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You dispute my point, and then without reasoned defense of your assertion shift to another foolish assertion.
Marriage has existed apart from civil law also. However, neither situation invalidates God designing the relationship from the beginning.
You quote is more applicable to you than anyone else.

Apparently, you have not understood that God also designed the same-sex relationship, too, from the Beginning of the time when same-sex relationships first occurred.

Now, we will acknowledge God's Intelligent Design of such relationships and will proceed to add them to the roles of moral relationships thriving lawfully, psychologically and spiritually within a healthy, functioning, civil society.

We will marry them and encourage and accept them in Christian Life as well as secular, lawful, civil life.

Enjoy the prospect.

Rev. Ken

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#21433 Oct 21, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
You also wrote this (P#21418):
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You dispute my point, and then without reasoned defense of your assertion shift to another foolish assertion.
Marriage has existed apart from civil law also. However, neither situation invalidates God designing the relationship from the beginning.
You quote is more applicable to you than anyone else.
Apparently, you have not understood that God also designed the same-sex relationship, too, from the Beginning of the time when same-sex relationships first occurred.
Now, we will acknowledge God's Intelligent Design of such relationships and will proceed to add them to the roles of moral relationships thriving lawfully, psychologically and spiritually within a healthy, functioning, civil society.
We will marry them and encourage and accept them in Christian Life as well as secular, lawful, civil life.
Enjoy the prospect.
Rev. Ken
God designed no such thing.

Matthew 19 provides the alternatives to marriage between a man and woman. They are all celibate.

You need to repent if your lies.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

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#21434 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such sacrement in Christianity. Nor is there such a relationship in marriage. It is always the reunion of diverse genders.
It is a deceptive impostor.
Baseless, debunked repetition... the argument of idiots.

Since: Aug 09

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#21435 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
God designed no such thing.
Matthew 19 provides the alternatives to marriage between a man and woman. They are all celibate.
You need to repent if your lies.
LMFAO!!!....(The F stands for Friar.)

Matthew 19 provides nothing of the sort.

Matthew 19 doesn't even disuss celibacy, per se, and even if in part, certainly not in any definitive measure.

You are full of Baloney, Kimare!

And yes, just as you say, God created the heterosexual relationship - for heterosexuals; God also specifically created the homosexual relationship for homosexuals.

Recognizing this FACT, through psychological and genetic research revealed in the last 60 years, we will now acknowledge the God-given right of these fellow Human Beings to marry and live their lives in full acceptance, legally and spiritually, among us.

Let's look forward to the Gift of Companionship and Intimacy given, sacramentally, to these people who are so very fortunate to have found each other in the face of such extremist adversity, such as you represent to them in defiance of the Teachings of Jesus.

May God Bless them, again and again.

Rev. Ken
A duly ordained priest and disciple of the LORD, Christ Jesus.

Since: Aug 11

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#21436 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
God welcomes you too, but you will need to come on His conditions and repent of immorality.
You are one of the most immoral people I have ever encountered.

Since: Feb 09

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#21437 Oct 21, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes we can see you have comprehension disabilities.
What an idiotic response.
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Exactly right, does it say "STD's and Harassment" at the top of R1's screen? Mine says Homosexuality and the stupid Bible.

Since: Feb 09

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#21438 Oct 21, 2013
Broadly speaking, the story of Horus is as follows: Horus was born on December 25th of the virgin Isis-Meri. His birth was accompanied by a star in the east, which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior. At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 he was baptized by a figure known as Anup and thus began his ministry. Horus had 12 disciples he traveled about with, performing miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God's Annointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, and many others. After being betrayed by Typhon, Horus was crucified, buried for 3 days, and thus, resurrected.

These attributes of Horus, whether original or not, seem to permeate in many cultures of the world, for many other gods are found to have the same general mythological structure.

Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.

Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.

Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.

Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.

The fact of the matter is there are numerous saviors, from different periods, from all over the world, which subscribe to these general characteristics. The question remains: why these attributes, why the virgin birth on December 25th, why dead for three days and the inevitable resurrection, why 12 disciples or followers? To find out, let's examine the most recent of the solar messiahs.

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#21439 Oct 21, 2013
Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary on December 25th in Bethlehem, his birth was announced by a star in the east, which three kings or magi followed to locate and adorn the new savior. He was a child teacher at 12, at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry. Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, he was also known as the "King of Kings," the "Son of God," the "Light of the World," the "Alpha and Omega," the "Lamb of God," and many others. After being betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.

[Born of a virgin
Born on Dec. 25
Star in the East]

First of all, the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt. These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times: The Three Kings. The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th. This is why the Three Kings "follow" the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise — the birth of the sun.

The Virgin Mary is the constellation Virgo, also known as Virgo the Virgin. Virgo in Latin means virgin. The ancient glyph for Virgo is the altered "m". This is why Mary along with other virgin mothers, such as Adonis's mother Myrra, or Buddha's mother Maya begin with an M. Virgo is also referred to as the House of Bread, and the representation of Virgo is a virgin holding a sheaf of wheat. This House of Bread and its symbol of wheat represents August and September, the time of harvest. In turn, Bethlehem, in fact, literally translates to "house of bread". Bethlehem is thus a reference to the constellation Virgo, a place in the sky, not on Earth.

There is another very interesting phenomenon that occurs around December 25th, or the winter solstice. From the summer solstice to the winter solstice, the days become shorter and colder. From the perspective of the northern hemisphere, the sun appears to move south and get smaller and more scarce. The shortening of the days and the expiration of the crops when approaching the winter solstice symbolized the process of death to the ancients. It was the death of the Sun. By December 22nd, the Sun's demise was fully realized, for the Sun, having moved south continually for 6 months, makes it to it's lowest point in the sky. Here a curious thing occurs: the Sun stops moving south, at least perceivably, for 3 days. During this 3 day pause, the Sun resides in the vicinity of the Southern Cross, or Crux, constellation. And after this time on December 25th, the Sun moves 1 degree, this time north, foreshadowing longer days, warmth, and Spring. And thus it was said: the Sun died on the cross, was dead for 3 days, only to be resurrected or born again. This is why Jesus and numerous other Sun Gods share the crucifixion, 3-day death, and resurrection concept. It is the Sun's transition period before it shifts its direction back into the Northern Hemisphere, bringing Spring, and thus salvation.

However, they did not celebrate the resurrection of the Sun until the spring equinox, or Easter. This is because at the spring equinox, the Sun officially overpowers the evil darkness, as daytime thereafter becomes longer in duration than night, and the revitalizing conditions of spring emerge.

Now, probably the most obvious of all the astrological symbolism around Jesus regards the 12 disciples. They are simply the 12 constellations of the Zodiac, which Jesus, being the Sun, travels about with.

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#21440 Oct 21, 2013
This is the sun. As far back as 10 thousand B.C.E., history is abundant with carvings and writings reflecting peoples respect and adoration for this object. And it is simple to understand why as every morning the sun would rise, bringing vision, warmth, and security, saving man from the cold, blind, predator-filled darkness of night. Without it, the cultures understood, the crops would not grow, and life on the planet would not survive. These realities made the sun the most adorned object of all time. Likewise, they were also very aware of the stars. The tracking of the stars allowed them to recognize and anticipate events which occurred over long periods of time, such as eclipses and full moons. They in turn catalogued celestial groups into what we know today as constellations.

This is the cross of the Zodiac, one of the oldest conceptual images in human history. It reflects the sun as it figuratively passes through the 12 major constellations over the course of a year. It also reflects the 12 months of the year, the 4 seasons, and the solstices and equinoxes. The term Zodiac relates to the fact that constellations were anthropomorphized, or personified, as figures, or animals.

In other words, the early civilizations did not just follow the sun and stars, they personified them with elaborate myths involving their movements and relationships. The sun, with its life-giving and -saving qualities was personified as a representative of the unseen creator or god. It was known as "God's Sun," the light of the world, the savior of human kind. Likewise, the 12 constellations represented places of travel for God's Sun and were identified by names, usually representing elements of nature that happened during that period of time. For example, Aquarius, the water bearer, who brings the Spring rains.

This is Horus. He is the Sun God of Egypt of around 3000 BC. He is the sun, anthropomorphized, and his life is a series of allegorical myths involving the sun's movement in the sky. From the ancient hieroglyphics in Egypt, we know much about this solar messiah. For instance, Horus, being the sun, or the light, had an enemy known as Set and Set was the personification of the darkness or night. And metaphorically speaking, every morning Horus would win the battle against Set- while in the evening, Set would conquer Horus and send him into the underworld
It is important to note that "dark vs. light" or "good vs. evil" is one of the most ubiquitous mythological dualities ever known and is still expressed on many levels to this day.

Broadly speaking, the story of Horus is as follows: Horus was born on December 25th of the virgin Isis-Meri. His birth was accompanied by a star in the east, which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior. At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 he was baptized by a figure known as Anup and thus began his ministry. Horus had 12 disciples he traveled about with, performing miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God's Annointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, and many others. After being betrayed by Typhon, Horus was crucified, buried for 3 days, and thus, resurrected.

These attributes of Horus, whether original or not, seem to permeate in many cultures of the world, for many other gods are found to have the same general mythological structure.

Since: Jun 13

Anchorage, AK

#21441 Oct 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You dispute my point, and then without reasoned defense of your assertion shift to another foolish assertion.
Marriage has existed apart from civil law also. However, neither situation invalidates God designing the relationship from the beginning.
You quote is more applicable to you than anyone else.
"Unfortunately, there are religious authorities in America who would like to decide, not only for their own flock, but for every American, whatever their faith or beliefs. This form of religious tyranny has nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible and everything to do with a shameless lust for power, wrapped in the disguise of a sacred institution." http://whosoever.org/v14i2/marriage.shtml

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