Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36047 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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SHADOW

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#20112 Sep 11, 2013
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You are a sincere waste of time, space and air.
PERVERT

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#20113 Sep 11, 2013
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

Ss marriage is an oxymoron.

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SHADOW

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#20114 Sep 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Ss marriage is an oxymoron.
Honestly what is the point. Other than to rub a perversion in everyone's face.
Rosie O'donnel standing on the steps to the courthouse where she married her lesbian girlfriend said she was happy for this day because she was able to make a point. Point being she had no idea what marriage was all about and she told us so.
She even had trouble trying to figure out if her live in was her wife or husband.
Men and women who marry don't have these kinds of problem now do they.

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SHADOW

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#20115 Sep 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Ss marriage is an oxymoron.
I am not sure if I totally agree with your first point.
If anal sex were abolished were would we get lawyers from??
Never thought of that did you.

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#20116 Sep 11, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>PERVERT
Your caps lock key seems to be stuck, you might want to get that fixed.

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#20117 Sep 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Ss marriage is an oxymoron.
Blah blah blah, why can't you learn that no one cares about your brain farts.

http://news.yahoo.com/religious-people-a....2...

Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, study finds

Intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they “need” religion less

Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades.

A team led by Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies. Even in extreme old age, intelligent people are less likely to believe, the researchers found - and the reasons why people with high IQs shun religion may not be as simple as previously thought.

Previous studies have tended to assume that intelligent people simply “know better”, the researchers write - but the reasons may be more complex.

For instance, intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they “need” religion less.

The studies used in Zuckerman's paper included a life-long analysis of the beliefs of a group of 1,500 gifted children - those with IQs over 135 - in a study which began in 1921 and continues today.

Even at 75 to 91 years of age, the children from Lewis Terman’s study scored lower for religiosity than the general population - contrary to the widely held belief that people turn to God as they age. The researchers noted that data was lacking about religious attitudes in old age and say,“Additional research is needed to resolve this issue.”

As early as 1958, Michael Argyle concluded,“Although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs, and rather less likely to have pro-religious attitudes.”

A 1916 study quoted in Zuckerman’s paper (Leuba) found that,“58% of randomly selected scientists in the United States expressed disbelief in, or doubt regarding the existence of God; this proportion rose to nearly 70% for the most eminent scientists.”

The paper, published in the academic journal Personality and Social Psychology Review, said “Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme—the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who “know better.”
The answer may, however, be more complex. Intelligent people may simply be able to provide themselves with the psychological benefits offered by religion - such as “self-regulation and self-enhancement,” because they are more likely to be successful, and have stable lives.

“Intelligent people typically spend more time in school—a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits,” the researchers write.“More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs.”

“Last, more intelligent people are more likely to get and stay married (greater attachment), though for intelligent people, that too comes later in life. We therefore suggest that as intelligent people move from young adulthood to adulthood and then to middle age, the benefits of intelligence may continue to accrue.”

The researchers suggest that further research on the “function” of religion may reveal more.

“People possessing the functions that religion provides are likely to adopt atheism, people lacking these very functions (e.g., the poor, the helpless) are likely to adopt theism,” the researchers wrote..

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#20118 Sep 11, 2013
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I am not sure if I totally agree with your first point.
If anal sex were abolished were would we get lawyers from??
Never thought of that did you.
LOL

Did you know that when a lawyer takes Viagra they get taller?

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#20119 Sep 11, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
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Honestly what is the point. Other than to rub a perversion in everyone's face.
Rosie O'donnel standing on the steps to the courthouse where she married her lesbian girlfriend said she was happy for this day because she was able to make a point. Point being she had no idea what marriage was all about and she told us so.
She even had trouble trying to figure out if her live in was her wife or husband.
Men and women who marry don't have these kinds of problem now do they.
When conservative evangelical Christians complain about the decline of morals in America, the growth of divorce over the decades is often cited as evidence or pulled out as the consequence. There's just one problem with this: divorce rates are generally higher among Christians than they are among atheists. In fact, divorce rates for atheists are lower than the national average, so if divorce is a sign or symptom of immorality, then atheists should qualify as being more moral than average and perhaps more moral than the average Christian.

So why do evangelical Christians also regularly accuse atheists of lacking a solid foundation for morality? This contradiction points to a clear problem in the position which these Christians are defending, but it's a contradiction that's been known for a long time now and so far none seem to have cared enough to try to resolve it.


Divorce Rates in America

The Barna Research Group, an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe and how they behave, studied divorce rates in America in 2007-2008 and learned that divorce rates weren't quite what they expected. With a margin of error of ±1.6%, they came up with the following divorce rates for various demographic groups:

All born again Christians: 32%
All non born again Christians: 33%
Evangelical Christians: 26%
Non-evangelical born again Christians: 33%
Notional Christians: 33%

Non-Christian Faith: 38%
Atheist or agnostic: 30%

Protestant: 34%
Catholic: 28%

Conservative: 28%
Moderate: 33%
Liberal: 37%

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#20120 Sep 11, 2013
George Barna commented on the study:

"There no longer seems to be much of a stigma attached to divorce; it is now seen as an unavoidable rite of passage. Interviews with young adults suggest that they want their initial marriage to last, but are not particularly optimistic about that possibility. There is also evidence that many young people are moving toward embracing the idea of serial marriage, in which a person gets married two or three times, seeking a different partner for each phase of their adult life."

Most of the differences in the study above are either within or close to the margin of error, which means that there may not be as much of a difference as there initially appears to be. Earlier studies conducted by Barna showed greater differences, with evangelical Christians reporting higher rates of divorce and atheists reporting lower rates of divorce.

In that earlier study, the highest divorce rates were in the Bible Belt: "Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce...the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average" of 4.2/1000 people. This is the region most commonly associated with higher rates of religiosity in genreal and of Christianity in particular. Nine states in the Northeast (Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Maryland) reported the lowest divorce rates, averaging just 3.5/1000 people. This is the region associated with with lower rates of religiosity and higher rates of secularism.


Divorce and Morality

The obvious question is whether higher divorce rates really are symptom or sign of immorality in the first place. For a long time, divorce was impossible or very difficult to obtain in America. Most religious groups opposed divorce in all but the most extreme circumstances — even if a woman was beaten regularly by her husband, clergy would counsel her to learn how to better submit in order to avoid the abuse.

Conservative Christians argued that divorce laws should be tightened, not relaxed; that marriage was a religious rather than a legal issue; that the law should be used to defend religious tradition as they defined it; that divorced people should be treated like criminals; and they argued for greater social censure and ostracism for those who get divorced anyway.

Divorce rates started increasing in America when divorce was made easier to obtain — largely because because women were finally able to escape unhappy marriages, at least at first. Today both men and women seem to avail themselves of the option fairly equally.

Conservative Christians no longer express quite so much concern with divorce — certainly not as they do with issues like abortion and homosexuality, even though the Bible has a lot more to say about divorce than the other two. Regardless, the underlying problem with all three seems to be the same: restricting women to particular familial, social, and cultural roles which are subordinated to the authority and control of men.


Divorce, Secularism, and Religion

As with earlier studies, this one reveals that atheists get divorced at lower rates than the national average and at lower rates than most Christian groups. At the same time, atheists also express less interest in having a single marriage partner in their lives. This may only make atheists more careful before getting married rather than more likely to get divorced, but it is a potential contradiction.

The question is raised, though, as to why atheists and agnostics would have lower divorce rates than most other groups. Is there something about American Christianity which makes it harder to stay in a marriage? Could it be that a marriage where one or both people are less religious is easier to maintain in the modern world?

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The AssTroll Stopper

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#20121 Sep 11, 2013
The AssTroll Stopper wrote:
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For once Rev. [email protected], tell everyone how many little boys you had sex with this month!!! You piece of Queer Pedophile sh!t
Seriously though, no matter how many children anyone else has molested, I will always take first place for sheer numbers of assaults.

I'm the AssTroll Stopper and that's how I roll.

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The AssTroll Stopper

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#20122 Sep 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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LOL
Did you know that when a lawyer takes Viagra they get taller?
Did you know that when KiMerde takes Viagra, his clitty is still a clitty?

If you call the clitty on KiMerde a penis, what is it really?

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SHADOW

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#20123 Sep 12, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Your caps lock key seems to be stuck, you might want to get that fixed.
THINK SO YOU PERVERT?

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SHADOW

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#20124 Sep 12, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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LOL
Did you know that when a lawyer takes Viagra they get taller?
Never thought of that before but it makes sense.

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#20128 Sep 13, 2013
http://www.rmnblog.org/2013/07/a-scandalous-r...

This is a brilliant piece by a minster.

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#20129 Sep 13, 2013
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Never thought of that before but it makes sense.
You have never thought, period. If you could think you would join us in rejecting the Bible as a reliable source to tell us about homosexuality.

Can you imagine KiMerde teaching the following to children on Sunday Morning:{I can!!!}

Gen. 38:9 "...and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground."

Lev. 21:20 "... a man that is brokenfooted or...hath his stones broken."

2 Sam. 16:21 "... and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel."

Ezek. 23:20 "..Yet she increased her harlotry, and doted upon her paramours there, whose members were like those of asses, and whose issue was like that of horses. Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed your young breasts."

Song 5:4 "My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him."

Not many people need to be told what "it," "stones," "went unto," "members," and "issue," and "by the hole of the door," are referring to.

Way to go Chrit-insanity-ists.

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#20130 Sep 13, 2013
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
http://www.rmnblog.org/2013/07 /a-scandalous-rhetorical-readi ng-of-romans-1-and-2.html
This is a brilliant piece by a minster.
Most excellent, Selecia!

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asd

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#20133 Sep 23, 2013
I have such a hard time understanding the absolute hatred that most people seem to have for those who choose to commit these deviant acts. We don't "hate" people who choose to commit murders or devil worship or any number of other deviant behaviours, just the acts they choose to commit. But add the sexual component and people go bonkers.

For the religious, God gives us free will. If an adult deviant chooses to bend over and suck some other adult deviant's dick and the other sick guy doesn't mind; who am I to judge? If an adult guy chooses to bend over and let some other adult guy fk him in the ass, isn't that their business? Who am I to judge? Or the adult woman who chooses to suck some other adult woman's psy, then that's their choice. God gives us free will and these adults are as free to make their deviant choices as the rest of us are free to make our choices.

A lot is said about them having to be who they are, being free to express themselves through their deviancy and having a mandatory compulsion towards child molestation.

We should focus our energies to protect innocent, immature, naturally curious and impressionable children who are incapable of making these type adult choices; but is it right to restrict the legal choices of adults exercising their own free will, even deviant choices rooted in deviancy and mental illness?

Besides, how do you legitimately "hate" a person who is mentally ill?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#20134 Sep 23, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from smh:
"Similarly one could argue that nowhere in the Gospels does Jesus condemn homosexuality. Perhaps Jesus was not concerned about it? This argument is not strong for Jesus does not mention a range of other sins so his pronouncements on sin could not be assumed to be exhaustive."
I submit that Jesus does address homosexuality in his comments to the Disciples about the alternative to marriage (a eunuch born that way). Confirming Judeo/Christian morality that sex outside the bond of marriage between a man and woman is wrong.

“RAINBOW POWER!”

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#20135 Sep 23, 2013
asd wrote:
If an adult deviant chooses to bend over and suck some other adult deviant's dick and the other sick guy doesn't mind; who am I to judge?
And yet, in calling gays "sick," "deviant," and "mentally ill" and accusing us of "having a mandatory compulsion towards child molestation," you have judged.

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#20136 Sep 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I submit that Jesus does address homosexuality in his comments to the Disciples about the alternative to marriage (a eunuch born that way). Confirming Judeo/Christian morality that sex outside the bond of marriage between a man and woman is wrong.
Jesus never said anything about gay people. PERIOD.

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