Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36038 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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#18519 Jun 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Every belief system acknowledges human failure (sin), and offers a solution.
You are clearly an ignorant bigot.
So now you claim to be an expert in all belief systems?

ROTFLMAO......Hubris

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#18523 Jun 22, 2013
I agree its sick

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#18524 Jun 22, 2013
Hey you might not agree with someone's option but you need to respect it. Our beliefs make us human and take that away then what are you? You are just a machine made of flesh with basic animal instincts. Be respectful guys, not vulgar.

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#18525 Jun 22, 2013
Wolfgang E B wrote:
The Bible: Greatest con in the history of humanity; Tell people they were born in sin, then offer them the means of obtaining salvation. I wonder how many trillions of dollars worth of wealth have been extorted by the Christian con machine by selling this simple idea to the masses.
Religion was invented when the first con-artist met the first fool.

Good post.

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#18526 Jun 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Every belief system acknowledges human failure (sin), and offers a solution.
You are clearly an ignorant bigot.
And you are a lying homophobic sociopath. Your smug arrogance is disgusting. Your whole life is one gigantic pathetic evil. By yourself you have nothing and are nothing, so you use the Bible to bash gentle peaceful people and you feel good about doing so.

You are the one who needs to change, not the homosexuals. You are the one who suffers mental illness [sociopathy] and you are the one who needs help.

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#18527 Jun 22, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Yes. It is said God created man in his own image. Man has been returning the favor ever since.
Exactly!

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#18528 Jun 22, 2013
the anomoly wrote:
I agree its sick
No one cares what you agree with.

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#18529 Jun 22, 2013
the anomoly wrote:
I agree its sick
You mean and nasty Christians have 233 Gods. Why? Because you have 233 different inconsistent and contradictory versions of what you call the Word of God which in reality is nothing more than a collection of ancient Jewish puppet plays. For example:

PROV. 28:3 ("A ruler who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain...."--NI, BBE, NAB, TEV) versus "A poor man that oppresseth the poor"--KJ, RS, ML, LB, AS, NAS, MT, LV). It's hard to visualize how a poor man could oppress the poor which is probably why the NI, NAB and TEV translators reversed the script. The biblical view of an important social issue is quite muddled.

ISA. 7:14 ("Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son...."--KJ, ML, LB, NI, AS, NAB, NAS, LV) versus ("Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son...."--RS, BBE, NEB, TEV, MT) or (a young maiden--JB, NWT). This clash has been debated for centuries and goes to the heart of a critical biblical teaching because it's the only OT prophecy referring to the Messiah's virgin birth.

DAN. 9:24 ("...and to anoint the most holy"--KJ, AS, NI) versus ("...and to anoint a most holy place"--RS, LB, BBE, NEB, TEV, NAS, MT). The 9th chapter of Daniel has one of the most important of all OT prophecies and it's rather difficult to see how it could be referring to Jesus, i.e. be messianic, when conflict exists as to whether the most holy is a man or a place.

MICAH 5:2 ("...whose goings forth have been from old from everlasting"--KJ, ML, LB, AS, BBE, NWT, NAS, LV) versus ("...whose origin is from old from ancient days"--RS, JB, NI, NEB, TEV, MT, NAB). Micah 5:2 is supposedly one of the most precise OT prophecies because it supposedly predicts the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. But how could it be referring to Jesus if his goings were "from ancient days" which, unlike "everlasting" denotes a beginning at some time in the distant past? Whether or not the Messiah had an origin is crucial.

MATT. 12:40 ("For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale's belly"--KJ, RS, AS, NAB, LV) versus ("For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the sea-monster"--ML, JB, NEB, NAB) versus ("For as Jonas was in the great fish 3 days and 3 nights"--NI, NWT, TEV, LB, BBE). This conflict bears directly on the accuracy of comments by Jesus since whales are not fish and vice versa.

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#18530 Jun 22, 2013
When did i say i was a christian....im a long ways from being a christian...lol

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#18531 Jun 22, 2013
To be quite honest...i dont think theres any true authentic christians left...lol

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#18532 Jun 22, 2013
the anomoly wrote:
To be quite honest...i dont think theres any true authentic christians left...lol
There is no such thing as a Christian because no one is willing to do what is required to be one. Sociopaths visit here to insist homosexuals obey the Bible all the while they themselves have no intention of obeying anything except for their sociopathic tendencies.

But we all suffer from having been around Christians and Christianity and we all have baggage we carry around and do not even recognize that it came from loud mouthed Christians trying to force their schitt down our throats.

To be a real and true Christian one must sell ones computer and give all of the money to the poor.

The Bible makes this quite clear:
•(a) "...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" (Luke 14:33);
•(b) "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor and you will have riches in heaven" (Matt. 19:21);
•(c) "Sell your possessions and give alms" (Luke 12:33);
•(d) "But give what is in your cups and plates to the poor, and everything will be clean for you" (Luke 11:41);
•(e) "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,.... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.... for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" (Matt. 6:19-21);
•(f) "How hardly shall they that have riches enter to the kingdom of God" (Mark 10:23);
•(g) "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24);
•(h) A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" (Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21),
•and (i) Paul said, "For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ" (Phil. 3:8 RSV)

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#18533 Jun 22, 2013
the anomoly wrote:
When did i say i was a christian....im a long ways from being a christian...lol
You and everyone else on the planet. We are all born Atheists and we remain such until we begin to hear the adults around us tell their lies to us and we start to believe them. That is all there is to Christianity and it is called hearsay, believing and repeating what other people tell you.

Santa Claus says it best: Dear Children, some day you will learn everything there is to know about Santa, and on that day, I want you to remember what the adults told you about Jesus.

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#18535 Jun 22, 2013
anthony99 wrote:
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Hell no. That's socialism.
your right..lol

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#18537 Jun 22, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Exactly. There was no 'homosexual' word.
Your interpretation of 'born eunuchs' is false. Eunuchs have always been those castrated and put in-charge of harems. Polygamy is practiced in the Bible by some of the Bible's finest. Sex with prostitutes was also condoned along with rape.
Jesus notes three types of eunuchs;

1. Born
2. Human made
3. Choice for the Kingdom of God

No one is born a eunuch. Nor would Jesus encourage self-castration in the third example. Hence Paul's encouragement to remain single to serve God.

Moreover, the only way the passage makes sense is Jesus giving alternatives to marriage.

The rest of your post is more examples of your ignorance and bigotry.

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#18538 Jun 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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No one is born a eunuch.
R U calling Jesus and the Bible a liar?

Matthew 19:12
New International Version (NIV)
12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#18539 Jun 23, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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R U calling Jesus and the Bible a liar?
Matthew 19:12
New International Version (NIV)
12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Don't be silly and stupid.

I'm saying that Jesus was referring to a person born without an attraction to the opposite sex.

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#18540 Jun 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Don't be silly and stupid.
I'm saying that Jesus was referring to a person born without an attraction to the opposite sex.
LOL!!!!..... How do you arrive at THAT conclusion?

Seems to me, a while back, you tried to put across the idea that a person choosing celibacy is a "eunuch." Now you are saying that a born "eunuch" has no sexual attraction to others, hetero- or homo- makes no difference.

Your "conclusions" about this subject and your interpretations of these specific scriptural snippets are obviously your personal opinions.

Rev. Ken

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#18541 Jun 23, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!!!!..... How do you arrive at THAT conclusion?
Seems to me, a while back, you tried to put across the idea that a person choosing celibacy is a "eunuch." Now you are saying that a born "eunuch" has no sexual attraction to others, hetero- or homo- makes no difference.
Your "conclusions" about this subject and your interpretations of these specific scriptural snippets are obviously your personal opinions.
Rev. Ken
I'm saying that in the absolute sense, eunuch is a human act of castration.

In the sense that Jesus used it, it was by birth, castration or choice.

I never said what you attribute to me.

However, the problem isn't your distortion of my observations, it your inability to give a sensible explanation to what the passage says.
Jenny

Bristol, UK

#18542 Jun 23, 2013
i just find it pointless that people can pick and choose whom they want to condemn using the bible.
at the end of the day, the bible condemns alot of stupid things, yet the only one people uphold is neing against an actual biological trait?

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#18543 Jun 23, 2013
https://cac.org/dm-themes

This is Richard Rohr...great stuff.

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