Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36055 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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agnostic

London, UK

#18084 May 22, 2013
alternative wrote:
<quoted text>
Please note that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin. The biblical definition of abomination is that it is a sin (Leviticus 20:25,26.) Nor was the sin of Sodom, homosexuality (Ezekiel 16:46-51.) All other passages referring to Sodom and Gomorrah refer to Ezekiel's take on the sin of Sodom. Fornication refers to pedophilia, temple sex. Adultery was about women as property. Marriage, not biblical, was a civil union from the beginning. It was not important to the Catholic Church until the Council of Trent; approximately, 1450 AD. With Judaism, marriage was a contract. Genesis says nothing about marriage. Marriage was not an ancient Hebrew word and neither was wife. Genesis also spoke of Lamech taking two women. Ever consider that mankind was set up to fail if Eve did not have sex with her sons. Incest was necessary if man was to multiply as commanded. No, God does not tell us what is marriage. The Bible only speaks of marriage. I taught my kids to be responsible with everything they do including sex. I also taught them that there are consequences with everything they do. Jesus speaks the same wisdom. You lay you pay. What is honorable and what is righteous. What is justice. What then is what moral. Nothing immoral about homosexuality.
READ Sodom and Gomorrah Geneses chapter 19

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#18086 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I noticed King James repeated quite a bit...
I also noticed it is still a far cry from the ninety you claimed.
Snicker.
Dear Mr. MARS Bar's dufus cousin,

What you noticed is a bunch of published versions of the bible that are claimed to be almost KJV, but not exactly, for various reasons and translated passages. Not Exactly - that is a few jots and a few tittles having gone by the wayside or added for purposes of convenience, shall we say.

They are NOT the same.

You asked for thirty. You got more than thirty. Are there actually more than ninety? Oh, yes. And if for no other reason than the bible has been translated and published into many different languages, requiring the uses of varying phraseology and differences in conceptual description that do not translate exactly from one to another, since it was first mass published near 500 years ago. Of course, the list above doesn't even mention the many versions that were hand written and translated during the 800 years before the mass publishing began.

- Just like the original language of Aramaic does not convert directly into Greek or Latin or Syrian.

Do you think Jesus minds that there are all of these variations and differences, including the many different Gospels and scriptural and religious texts that for one reason or another were not included in the first versions that eventually became the canonical texts?

No. Not really. All that they are are various texts; scriptural compilations intended to help with the development of personal spiritual and moral practices and a set of guideposts for development of communities of Christian discipleship. Never were they ever intended to be texts used to justify the condemnation of people perceived to be somehow different.

Put some milk chocolate, caramel and nuts on that ...

Mr. Sick Snickerdoodle.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#18087 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>I could have quoted Christ saying the whole Law is fulfilled in just two commandments and answered your challenge.
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
But you didn't so you can't.
I could have made a square circle but I don't want to. Yawn.
Jesus--"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven...." (Matt. 5:17-19) and "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fall" (Luke 16:17) and "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do" (Matt. 23:2-3) and (John 7:19, Mark 1:44)
versus
Paul--"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ" (Rom. 7:4) and "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law" (Gal. 3:13) and "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace" (Rom. 6:14) and "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" (Rom. 7:6) and (Rom. 10:4, 3:28, Gal. 3:23-25, 5:2-4, 18, 2:19, 21, 16, 4:10, Eph. 2:15, Col. 2:14, 16, Heb. 7:19, 1 Cor. 8:8 and many others).
Jesus said the law would stand till heaven and earth passed, while Paul said it need no longer be followed.
1. Yeah, I can add anything I want. You simply can't handle it because you are out of your league.

2. Paul said no such thing. You don't know what you are talking about again.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#18088 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I noticed ....I also noticed ....
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet you can not notice that the Bible is so full of errors, contradictions and fallacies that it is disqualified as a reliable source of information about everything including homosexuality.
I noticed you severely redacted my post so you could change the subject and avoid admitting you were wrong.

I have yet to see you deal with one point you bring up and I address.

You are a coward hiding in the vain attempt to not be exposed as an idiot.

It's not working...

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#18089 May 22, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually God's favorite person King David has plenty to say about homosexual love:
2 SAM. 1:26, "David said, "I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women"
And rape and violence are practiced by God through out the whole enitre Bible.
Remember, the Virgin Mary was only 12 years old when God knocked her up via the Holy Spook. And God wiped out the whole entire surface of the earth, that is pretty violent if you ask me.
"...shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?"
(Amos 3:6).
That's like me exposing your pedophilic record, your sexual relationship with your father, and the twelve year old neighbor boy you analized.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#18090 May 22, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Mr. MARS Bar's dufus cousin,
What you noticed is a bunch of published versions of the bible that are claimed to be almost KJV, but not exactly, for various reasons and translated passages. Not Exactly - that is a few jots and a few tittles having gone by the wayside or added for purposes of convenience, shall we say.
They are NOT the same.
You asked for thirty. You got more than thirty. Are there actually more than ninety? Oh, yes. And if for no other reason than the bible has been translated and published into many different languages, requiring the uses of varying phraseology and differences in conceptual description that do not translate exactly from one to another, since it was first mass published near 500 years ago. Of course, the list above doesn't even mention the many versions that were hand written and translated during the 800 years before the mass publishing began.
- Just like the original language of Aramaic does not convert directly into Greek or Latin or Syrian.
Do you think Jesus minds that there are all of these variations and differences, including the many different Gospels and scriptural and religious texts that for one reason or another were not included in the first versions that eventually became the canonical texts?
No. Not really. All that they are are various texts; scriptural compilations intended to help with the development of personal spiritual and moral practices and a set of guideposts for development of communities of Christian discipleship. Never were they ever intended to be texts used to justify the condemnation of people perceived to be somehow different.
Put some milk chocolate, caramel and nuts on that ...
Mr. Sick Snickerdoodle.
His contention is that there are over 90 different interpretations of original text.
-He ignores the need to up date language, just as any ancient text requires.
-He confuses interpretations with translations
-YOU add translations into other languages to try to help the reprobate. Birds of a feather...

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NASB)
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Smile.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#18091 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 16:17 (NASB)
"But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail."
Smile.
You are not waiting for anything. You are in denial and full of shit.
I could have quoted Christ saying the whole Law is fulfilled in just two commandments and answered your challenge.
Smile.
And yet this doesn't address homosexual love at all, does it?

Still waiting.
PNR1994

Mechanicsburg, PA

#18092 May 22, 2013
Y'all bunch a loonies. Man is created in gods image. So if man should be a homosexual, so is god. The fact that you people spend time bashing gays just tells me that you blindly follow a non sentient being like sheep and you'll do anything if "god" tells you to. What if this god told you to make love with a person of the same sex? Would you do it? Probably not because you would rather get hung up on it and poison yourself with cyanide to see if god was just messing with you. The other thing... Aren't you supposed to love all of gods creation. I mean seriously most of the major wars in history were caused by religion, simply because you hate someone that is different or believes differently. Millions of lives lost because of that. You people don't learn from history and are doomed to repeat it.

Since: Aug 09

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#18093 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
His contention is that there are over 90 different interpretations of original text.
-He ignores the need to up date language, just as any ancient text requires.
-He confuses interpretations with translations
-YOU add translations into other languages to try to help the reprobate. Birds of a feather...
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NASB)
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
Smile.
Nope.

His post #18024 was in response to your inconsistencies.

Here is what he wrote:

"If God's word were unchanging there wouldn't be over 90 DIFFERENT versions just in English alone.

Is God's revelation to us now dead? We no longer need to hear from Him?

Tsk tsk to those who think God lives in a book...."

...

Whereupon you challenged him to list 30 versions. He listed 33 and gave reference to a whole lot more. I followed, saying that there are plenty more than that. Even the most genuine translations, first presented in the mid 1500's, were compiled from hand-written translations of the 1200's that were both Greek and Latin.

The language of Jesus was Aramaic.

Middleway's point is well made and should be acknowledged by all who would regard themselves as "Christian," no matter how they would define the moniker for themselves.

Christ does not exist, live, reside or abide in the pages of a book, no matter how seemingly special the texts of any book may seem to be.

Revelation is the domain and act of the Holy Spirit. Revelation is not an act that jumps out of any book. It is the living recognition of truth that exists in your heart and mind and that can be helped to see by the action of consciousness bestowed upon a person from within, by the Holy Spirit.

Truth.

God is real, alive and IS the core of Being. God IS Love, Light and Life; consciousness at every level and even Beyond consciousness.

You make excuses for your insistence upon relying on the content of a book, which reliance has always been your personal interpretation made at another's expense.

YOU are the reprobate, hiding behind the scripture with quotes from Timothy that you don't understand.

Rev. Ken

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#18094 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 16:17 (NASB)
"But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail."
Smile.
You are not waiting for anything. You are in denial and full of shit.
I could have quoted Christ saying the whole Law is fulfilled in just two commandments and answered your challenge.
Smile.
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet this doesn't address homosexual love at all, does it?
Still waiting.
Of course it addresses gay sex, just as the Law says, gay sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#18095 May 22, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
His post #18024 was in response to your inconsistencies.
Here is what he wrote:
"If God's word were unchanging there wouldn't be over 90 DIFFERENT versions just in English alone.
Is God's revelation to us now dead? We no longer need to hear from Him?
Tsk tsk to those who think God lives in a book...."
...
Whereupon you challenged him to list 30 versions. He listed 33 and gave reference to a whole lot more. I followed, saying that there are plenty more than that. Even the most genuine translations, first presented in the mid 1500's, were compiled from hand-written translations of the 1200's that were both Greek and Latin.
The language of Jesus was Aramaic.
Middleway's point is well made and should be acknowledged by all who would regard themselves as "Christian," no matter how they would define the moniker for themselves.
Christ does not exist, live, reside or abide in the pages of a book, no matter how seemingly special the texts of any book may seem to be.
Revelation is the domain and act of the Holy Spirit. Revelation is not an act that jumps out of any book. It is the living recognition of truth that exists in your heart and mind and that can be helped to see by the action of consciousness bestowed upon a person from within, by the Holy Spirit.
Truth.
God is real, alive and IS the core of Being. God IS Love, Light and Life; consciousness at every level and even Beyond consciousness.
You make excuses for your insistence upon relying on the content of a book, which reliance has always been your personal interpretation made at another's expense.
YOU are the reprobate, hiding behind the scripture with quotes from Timothy that you don't understand.
Rev. Ken
Versions vs translations. I stand by my comments.

You attempt to divide God from His Word. Heresy.

Moreover, your fruit is dead and dying.

I understand you perfectly well.

Smile.
PNR1994

Mechanicsburg, PA

#18096 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 16:17 (NASB)
"But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail."
Smile.
You are not waiting for anything. You are in denial and full of shit.
I could have quoted Christ saying the whole Law is fulfilled in just two commandments and answered your challenge.
Smile.
<quoted text>
Of course it addresses gay sex, just as the Law says, gay sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Smile.
How is it harmful other than to the extent that you could go to hell for it. God forgives sins and you should to. You people disgust me. You are like sheep prancing in a field that is surrounded by barbed wire fence and guys with machine guns shouting orders at you.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#18097 May 22, 2013
PNR1994 wrote:
<quoted text>
How is it harmful other than to the extent that you could go to hell for it. God forgives sins and you should to. You people disgust me. You are like sheep prancing in a field that is surrounded by barbed wire fence and guys with machine guns shouting orders at you.
The question is, what does the Bible say about homosexuality? The vast bulk of Judeo/Christian understanding is that it is immoral.

If you want to ask about homosexuality outside the Bible, science cannot explain it yet (Epi-marker mistake is most likely going to be the answer shortly). Unlike most evolutionary issues, scientists have been unable to discover a purpose, leaving it in the category of a sexual defect. A failure of mating behavior.

From a medical perspective, it is a violation of design. A pointless duplication. Or in the case of gays, the inherent harm, unhealthiness and demeaning nature of anal sex.

The bottom line, while most likely a defect, ss orientation is not wrong in it's self. The sexual act however is immoral.

God forgives when we repent.

Smile.
PNR1994

Mechanicsburg, PA

#18098 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The question is, what does the Bible say about homosexuality? The vast bulk of Judeo/Christian understanding is that it is immoral.
If you want to ask about homosexuality outside the Bible, science cannot explain it yet (Epi-marker mistake is most likely going to be the answer shortly). Unlike most evolutionary issues, scientists have been unable to discover a purpose, leaving it in the category of a sexual defect. A failure of mating behavior.
From a medical perspective, it is a violation of design. A pointless duplication. Or in the case of gays, the inherent harm, unhealthiness and demeaning nature of anal sex.
The bottom line, while most likely a defect, ss orientation is not wrong in it's self. The sexual act however is immoral.
God forgives when we repent.
Smile.
Did you know that there is benefit. One of the most sensitive spots on a mans body is in the prostate. When stimulated a man can have a more intense orgasm and ca bring relief to their body and mental state. And for women it's just pleasurable to have sex with another woman. In fact most women have had sex with another woman in their lifetime. What's immoral about bringing pleasure to yourself by having intercourse with another person of the same sex. You just hate don't you? Only because The Lord tells you to. You are going to be the next group of people to start a senseless war against gays. Make love not war.
PNR1994

Mechanicsburg, PA

#18099 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The question is, what does the Bible say about homosexuality? The vast bulk of Judeo/Christian understanding is that it is immoral.
If you want to ask about homosexuality outside the Bible, science cannot explain it yet (Epi-marker mistake is most likely going to be the answer shortly). Unlike most evolutionary issues, scientists have been unable to discover a purpose, leaving it in the category of a sexual defect. A failure of mating behavior.
From a medical perspective, it is a violation of design. A pointless duplication. Or in the case of gays, the inherent harm, unhealthiness and demeaning nature of anal sex.
The bottom line, while most likely a defect, ss orientation is not wrong in it's self. The sexual act however is immoral.
God forgives when we repent.
Smile.
Let me ask you this... Would you rather have sex with another person of the same sex or die?
Vick Torre

Baltimore, MD

#18100 May 22, 2013
PNR1994 wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know that there is benefit. One of the most sensitive spots on a mans body is in the prostate. When stimulated a man can have a more intense orgasm and ca bring relief to their body and mental state. And for women it's just pleasurable to have sex with another woman. In fact most women have had sex with another woman in their lifetime. What's immoral about bringing pleasure to yourself by having intercourse with another person of the same sex. You just hate don't you? Only because The Lord tells you to. You are going to be the next group of people to start a senseless war against gays. Make love not war.
Bible pushers need to have someone to condemn. A modern day witch hunt ( which was religion driven). Gays are that people. Focusing on blaming the worlds ills on. Like Rev. Phelps of the Westboro baptists. His daughter was on the Anderson Cooper show last week on the harms done and aplogized for her actions and no longer a member if that hate organization disguised as righteous religion.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#18101 May 22, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 16:17 (NASB)
"But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail."
Smile.
You are not waiting for anything. You are in denial and full of shit.
I could have quoted Christ saying the whole Law is fulfilled in just two commandments and answered your challenge.
Smile.
<quoted text>
Of course it addresses gay sex, just as the Law says, gay sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Smile.
You know that the social stigma against gay sex (at that time) was based on the fact that it didn't further the Jewish race. Just as the sin of Onan wasn't masturbation, but refusal to bear his deceased brother's wife a child.

There was no implication that gay sex was any of the things that you state.

Why can't a pastor tell the truth?
PNR1994

Mechanicsburg, PA

#18102 May 22, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Bible pushers need to have someone to condemn. A modern day witch hunt ( which was religion driven). Gays are that people. Focusing on blaming the worlds ills on. Like Rev. Phelps of the Westboro baptists. His daughter was on the Anderson Cooper show last week on the harms done and aplogized for her actions and no longer a member if that hate organization disguised as righteous religion.
Uea condemn the murderers and rapists and terrorists not the gays
PNR1994

Mechanicsburg, PA

#18104 May 22, 2013
You know the nazis were following orders from a man that told them that the Jewish were the sorce of all evil in this world when I fact the Jewish are just human like you and I. After a couple million Jewish deaths from mass extermination Hitler killed himself because of the embarrassment he was feeling. As said by Shakespeare thou shalt not knock until thine hath tried.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#18105 May 22, 2013
PNR1994 wrote:
<quoted text>
Uea condemn the murderers and rapists and terrorists not the gays
ya

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