Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36050 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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#17924 May 17, 2013
check it out wrote:
<quoted text>At biblegateway's Web side, you can check every major translation and original languages. EVERY ONE makes it plain that all homosexual behavior is prohibited.
Are you really not aware of the fact that the English word homosexual was coined relatively recently? Certainly there were many other ways of describing and prohibiting your lifestyle choice before the word was coined, and that was exactly the case in EVERY Bible translation and in original tongues.
Hey Pekin Il. I was hoping you'd still be here.

Yes, the Bible does demand the death penality for homosexual acts.

When are you going to start killing homosexuals?

JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

PS. No one cares what the Bible says. You don't care, I do not care, no one cares.

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#17925 May 17, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
Worst damage done to society was organized religion. Anything that becomes too large gets dangerous. Just like the one phone company. Got btoken up. Smaller companies now exist. Same as for citizens wanting smaller government. So should be religion.
Christianity is an abomination, it is a crime against humanity. We need to tax the churches.

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#17926 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Please be specific about how Christianity has harmed our society.
If you don't know it is because you refuse to look at history. There was a time when religion ruled the world, we call that period in our history, THE DARK AGES.

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#17927 May 17, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Just go over history. Religious wars. Goes on today. Why terrorist attacked us. As for first amendment, I just stated I like to see organized religion into small sects, not large. Called wishful thinking.
Slavery is a Christian principal our country was founded on. Women were not allowed to vote because of biblical teachings:

In both the Old and New Testaments women are assigned a position not appreciably different from that of domestic servants. Their status is demeaning, debilitating, and wholly incompatible with self-respect and confidence. Except for Mary, Eve, Ruth, Sarah, Rachel, and a few lesser figures, few biblical women have roles of significance, and even fewer are worthy of emulation. Eve, for example, is blamed for the creation of Original Sin. The Bible says as much: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner (1 Tim. 2:12-14, NIV)." Is it any wonder that women's groups oppose this narrative? With his usual wit, Ingersoll once observed: "...nearly every religion has accounted for all the devilment in this world by the crime of woman. What a gallant thing that is! And if it is true, I had rather live with the woman I love in a world full of trouble, than to live in heaven with nothing but men (Ingersoll's Works, Vol. I, p.358)." One of the saddest and most perplexing dilemmas one can experience in modern society is confronting women who strongly believe and defend a book that so clearly assigns them a degrading and subservient status. How do you reach those who are defending a philosophy that is so totally opposed to their interests? To use the vernacular, the Bible is sexist and permeated with male supremacy, as the following verses show only to well: "...and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee (Genesis 3:16)." "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man;....(1 Cor. 11:3)." "Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man (1 Cor. 11:9)." "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husband, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife.... Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husband in every thing (Eph. 5:22-24)." Anyone desiring more proof should read: Deut. 21:10-14, 24:1-4, Judges 5:30, Esther 1:20-22, Rom. 7:2, 1 Col. 3:18, Titus 2:4-5, 1 Peter 3:1, Lev. 12:2, 5, Gen. 3:20.

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#17928 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You are equating all religions to the violence endemic in Islam.
In every community across the nation there are multiple Christian Churches teaching and voluntarily doing good across the community.
Size increases the effectiveness.
JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

JESUS: Luke 14:26, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple."

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#17929 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Please be specific about how Christianity has harmed our society.
Reverend Alan wrote:
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If you don't know it is because you refuse to look at history. There was a time when religion ruled the world, we call that period in our history, THE DARK AGES.
If you knew history, you would know that political forces used religion, in fact distorted it. Guess what history calls the period when the Bible was made available to the common man???

But you again avoid my question. How has Christianity harmed OUR society. What 'harm' are the multiple Churches in every community of our society doing this week?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#17930 May 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You are equating all religions to the violence endemic in Islam.
In every community across the nation there are multiple Christian Churches teaching and voluntarily doing good across the community.
Size increases the effectiveness.
Reverend Alan wrote:
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JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"
JESUS: Luke 14:26, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple."
1. You are not your own. You will answer to your Maker.

2. Before anything or anyone, you are obligated to your Maker.

That is the condition of your existence. If you don't like it, you cease to exist.

Now you avoid my answer.

Smile.
Vick Torre

Baltimore, MD

#17932 May 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Slavery is a Christian principal our country was founded on. Women were not allowed to vote because of biblical teachings:
In both the Old and New Testaments women are assigned a position not appreciably different from that of domestic servants. Their status is demeaning, debilitating, and wholly incompatible with self-respect and confidence. Except for Mary, Eve, Ruth, Sarah, Rachel, and a few lesser figures, few biblical women have roles of significance, and even fewer are worthy of emulation. Eve, for example, is blamed for the creation of Original Sin. The Bible says as much: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner (1 Tim. 2:12-14, NIV)." Is it any wonder that women's groups oppose this narrative? With his usual wit, Ingersoll once observed: "...nearly every religion has accounted for all the devilment in this world by the crime of woman. What a gallant thing that is! And if it is true, I had rather live with the woman I love in a world full of trouble, than to live in heaven with nothing but men (Ingersoll's Works, Vol. I, p.358)." One of the saddest and most perplexing dilemmas one can experience in modern society is confronting women who strongly believe and defend a book that so clearly assigns them a degrading and subservient status. How do you reach those who are defending a philosophy that is so totally opposed to their interests? To use the vernacular, the Bible is sexist and permeated with male supremacy, as the following verses show only to well: "...and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee (Genesis 3:16)." "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man;....(1 Cor. 11:3)." "Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man (1 Cor. 11:9)." "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husband, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife.... Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husband in every thing (Eph. 5:22-24)." Anyone desiring more proof should read: Deut. 21:10-14, 24:1-4, Judges 5:30, Esther 1:20-22, Rom. 7:2, 1 Col. 3:18, Titus 2:4-5, 1 Peter 3:1, Lev. 12:2, 5, Gen. 3:20.
Yes, women not as favored as much as men. My neighbor is of Jehovahs witness. She and the other women praise their faith while it speaks poorly of them. Most women in my family aggressive. My mother made all our lives painful. Mostly why they did'nt help her in senior years. " Ye reap what ye sow", and she got just that. Abandonment. I was the only one helping her. Why? Not to harbor hate like her. Do what I believe is right. To rise above in humanity. In the end she realized my morals better than my hetero brothers and thanked me.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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#17933 May 18, 2013
check it out wrote:
<quoted text>At biblegateway's Web side, you can check every major translation and original languages. EVERY ONE makes it plain that all homosexual behavior is prohibited.
Are you really not aware of the fact that the English word homosexual was coined relatively recently? Certainly there were many other ways of describing and prohibiting your lifestyle choice before the word was coined, and that was exactly the case in EVERY Bible translation and in original tongues.
Idiot, the word homosexual is GREEK not English.

How does one translate a word that's not there?

Are you really so ignorant that you don't know how many times and the way the bible has been changed?

Yes, that and bitterness make you blind and stupid.....

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#17934 May 18, 2013
check it out wrote:
<quoted text>So you think your lifestyle choice is childish? Freud did, too. He considered homosexuality to be a developmental disorder, with you folk stuck at the 'girls are ucky' stage- i.e. a developmental disorder. That view basically stuck until a few decades back when politics trumped science in the APA.
No. Your posts are childish drivel. There is no such thing as a lifestyle choice? When did you choose not to be gay?

What a Jackass!!!!

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#17935 May 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Please be specific about how Christianity has harmed our society.
<quoted text>
If you knew history, you would know that political forces used religion, in fact distorted it. Guess what history calls the period when the Bible was made available to the common man???
But you again avoid my question. How has Christianity harmed OUR society. What 'harm' are the multiple Churches in every community of our society doing this week?
Smile.
HITLER: My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who, once lonely with only a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were, and calling me to fight them, and who, so help me, was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. With boundless love, as a Christian and as a man, I read the passages which relate how the Lord finally gathered His strength and made use of the whip in order to drive the usurers, the vipers, and cheats from the temple. Today 2,000 years later, I recognize with deep emotion Christ's tremendous fight for this world against the Jewish poison. I recognized this most profoundly by the fact that He had to shed his blood on the cross for his fight. As a Christian it is not my duty to permit myself to be cheated, but is my duty to be a champion of truth and of right.... As a Christian I owe something to my own people.... I am a veritable devil and not a Christian if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as our Lord did 2,000 years ago, against those who are pillaging and exploiting this poor people (the German people).... Two thousand years ago a man was likewise denounced by this particular race which today is denouncing and blaspheming everywhere.... That man was dragged into court and they said then: He is arousing the people! So he also was "agitating." And against whom? Against "God," they cried. Yes indeed he was agitating against the "god" of the Jews, for that "god" is money.(Munich, April 12, 1922; Voelkische Beobachter, April 22, 1922).

The National Government will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation was built up. They regard Christianity as the foundation of our national morality and the family as a basis of national life.(Hitler to the German People: Feb. 1 1933).

I know that here and there the objection has been raised: Yes, but you have deserted Christianity. No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity.... National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of real Christianity. And we have no other desire than to be true to that position.... These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles.(Speech at Koblenz, Aug. 26, 1934).
Hitler was often asked why Nazis use the swastika and replied,
And when it is said to me as many have: How can you carry your heathenish symbol in the van of this struggle when the Christian Cross alone is called to lead it? To this I say: This symbol is not directed against the Christian Cross. On the contrary, it is the political manifestation of what the Christian Cross intends or must intend.... One should from the vary beginnings preserve this Cross from any political contact until the structure of these political parties again becomes worthy of association with this symbol....(Munich, Oct. 25, 1930, Voelkische Beobachter, Oct. 28, 1930).

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#17936 May 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
If you knew history, you would know that political forces used religion, in fact distorted it..
I see, anytime someone does something in the name of Christianity or God that you consider bad, they are not a real Christian. How apologetic of you.

The Indianapolis Star, one of the most conservative newspapers in the nation, has always quoted 2 cor. 3:17, "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty," on the front of each and every issue. Yet, if the Bible were, indeed, the Word of God, as apologists allege, it would be difficult to find a comment more at variance with the facts. All of the following verses show the God of the Bible sanctioned, indeed, instituted slavery--the absence of liberty. "Then thou shalt take an awl, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise (Deut. 15:17, KJV)." (In order to minimize the Bible's support for slavery, the King James translators used "servant" instead of "slave" in this verse and others. The RSV translators used "bondman." Any knowledgeable authority knows slaves are being discussed, and several versions, e.g. the NWT and Living Bible, are honest enough to admit as much.)
But to continue: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and you can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly ( Lev. 25:44-46, NIV)." "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property (Ex. 21:20-21, NIV)." "I (the Lord) will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away (Joel 3:8, NIV)"
SHADOW

Bulverde, TX

#17937 May 18, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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No. Your posts are childish drivel. There is no such thing as a lifestyle choice? When did you choose not to be gay?
What a Jackass!!!!
You have got this all wrong Jackass.
No one chooses to be normal we just are but you and yours most certainly choose to be queers in a normal straight world.
Just like you choose to be an ass.

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#17938 May 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
1. You are not your own. You will answer to your Maker.2. Before anything or anyone, you are obligated to your Maker.That is the condition of your existence. If you don't like it, you cease to exist.Now you avoid my answer.
Blah blah blah, you just made all of that up, there is no reason to believe a word out of your mouth, it is all hearsay, lies your mamma and pappa told you.

You are nothing but a con-artist selling lies, indeed, the biggest hoax every sold.

Apologists attempted to gloss over the situation by alleging these verses came from the God of the Old Testament and his laws, while the New Testament's God is supposedly one of love, liberty and compassion. If so, somebody forgot to tell Peter and Paul. The latter said: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men....(Eph. 6:5-7, NIV)." "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered (1 Tim. 6:1, NIV)." "Slaves, obey your earthy masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord (Col. 3:22, NIV)." "Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,....(Titus 2:9, NIV)." Paul not only sanctions slavery but equates serving one's master with serving God. To serve one faithfully is to serve the other faithfully. Peter agrees with Paul: "Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also those who are harsh....Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:18,21, NIV)."

Clearly, according to the Bible, the spirit of the Lord has little to do with liberty. If they were inseparable, God wouldn't be supporting the slavemasters. Confederate leaders during the Civil War were quite correct when they contended the Bible supported slavery. "...Let the gentleman go to Revalation to learn the decree of God--let him go to the Bible,.... I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation.... Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testament--in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized, sanctioned everywhere (Jefferson Davis by Rowland, Vol. I, p. 316-17)." The well-known reverend Alexander Campbell contended: "there is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral." However, biblical support justifies nothing. Slavery was no more right in 2,000 B.C. than in 2,000 A.D. Morality has not changed that much, regardless of cultural difference and time differentials.

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#17939 May 18, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
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You have got this all wrong Jackass.
No one chooses to be normal we just are but you and yours most certainly choose to be queers in a normal straight world.
Just like you choose to be an ass.
Clearly you are divorced from reality. In your delusional mind you believe everything that Con-artist at the front of your church tells you. All you pew warmers are the same, pathetically lacking all common decency.

JesusGod: Matt. 18:19-20,[GW] "I can guarantee again that if two of you agree on anything here on earth, my Father in heaven will accept it."

If JesusGod can accept what two men agree to do with one anothers bodies why can't you?

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#17940 May 18, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
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You have got this all wrong Jackass.
No one chooses to be normal we just are but you and yours most certainly choose to be queers in a normal straight world.
Just like you choose to be an ass.
Pew warming is NOT normal Shadow. Believing every word the Con-artist at the front of your church says is pathalogical and means you need medical attention; you are a defective being and a liar, you came here for one reason only and God hates you:

Prov. 6:16 says, "there are 6 things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him" and the 19th verse says one of these is, "...a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."

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#17941 May 18, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, women not as favored as much as men. My neighbor is of Jehovahs witness. She and the other women praise their faith while it speaks poorly of them. Most women in my family aggressive. My mother made all our lives painful. Mostly why they did'nt help her in senior years. " Ye reap what ye sow", and she got just that. Abandonment. I was the only one helping her. Why? Not to harbor hate like her. Do what I believe is right. To rise above in humanity. In the end she realized my morals better than my hetero brothers and thanked me.
Good for you!:)
SHADOW

Bulverde, TX

#17942 May 18, 2013
Alan wrote:
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Clearly you are divorced from reality. In your delusional mind you believe everything that Con-artist at the front of your church tells you. All you pew warmers are the same, pathetically lacking all common decency.
JesusGod: Matt. 18:19-20,[GW] "I can guarantee again that if two of you agree on anything here on earth, my Father in heaven will accept it."
If JesusGod can accept what two men agree to do with one anothers bodies why can't you?
The verse doesn't refer to sinning.
So you think is two men agree to rape every woman they see it is just fine with Jesus?
Come on allen you are better than that surely.
Apples meet oranges you lost sinning fool.

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#17943 May 18, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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You're a pathetic excuse of a homosexual person. You're worthless.
Not as worthless as your stupid contradictory bible is.

That is the clear import of Psalm 14:2 ("The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God"). Why would he look down to see if he already knew? Ezek. 20:3 says, "Thus saith the Lord God; Are ye come to inquire of me? As I live, saith the Lord God, I will not be inquired of by you." Again we see God seeking information. In Num. 22:9 ("And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee?") we again find God seeking information. In Hosea 8:4 ("They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not... ") and Gen. 18:21 ("I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know") God directly states he lacks some information and, unless he is lying, the conclusion is clear. When he says He does not know something, that should settle the matter and would have done so long ago had anyone else been involved. But because his followers can not conceive of him being deficient in any respect, they don't believe him. I, on the other hand, take him at his word. It's only reasonable that if he said it, he meant it. Biblicists are actually saying to God: You don't really mean that God, now do you Oh, yes he does. Don't they believe Scripture! They sure do when it fits their needs and complies with their predilections. One could also consult Gen. 3:9, Gen. 4:5-6, 4:9, 2 Chron. 32:31, and Amos 9:3 for additional confirmation of God's lack of omniscience. As is so often true, once biblicists have a concept embedded in their psyche, God himself can't change their minds.
SHADOW

Bulverde, TX

#17944 May 18, 2013
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