Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36055 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.smh.com.au.

Says It All

Santa Cruz, CA

#17901 May 7, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
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Argo give us a break. You being from California with people like boxer and piglosi and feinstein ...have no room to talk.
What a bunch of loons
I can see your hat but where is your cattle?
Vick Torre

Newark, NJ

#17902 May 7, 2013
Worst damage done to society was organized religion. Anything that becomes too large gets dangerous. Just like the one phone company. Got btoken up. Smaller companies now exist. Same as for citizens wanting smaller government. So should be religion.
Tikka

Finland

#17903 May 10, 2013
Why all this talk when the Bible says many times all homosexual acts are very very bad?

You follow God or you follow devil.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#17904 May 11, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
Worst damage done to society was organized religion. Anything that becomes too large gets dangerous. Just like the one phone company. Got btoken up. Smaller companies now exist. Same as for citizens wanting smaller government. So should be religion.
Please be specific about how Christianity has harmed our society.

Oh, and how your suggestion is legal with the First Amendment.

Smile.
Vick Torre

Arlington, VA

#17905 May 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Please be specific about how Christianity has harmed our society.
Oh, and how your suggestion is legal with the First Amendment.
Smile.
Just go over history. Religious wars. Goes on today. Why terrorist attacked us. As for first amendment, I just stated I like to see organized religion into small sects, not large. Called wishful thinking.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#17906 May 11, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Just go over history. Religious wars. Goes on today. Why terrorist attacked us. As for first amendment, I just stated I like to see organized religion into small sects, not large. Called wishful thinking.
You are equating all religions to the violence endemic in Islam.

In every community across the nation there are multiple Christian Churches teaching and voluntarily doing good across the community.

Size increases the effectiveness.

Smile.
Vick Torre

Arlington, VA

#17907 May 11, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You are equating all religions to the violence endemic in Islam.
In every community across the nation there are multiple Christian Churches teaching and voluntarily doing good across the community.
Size increases the effectiveness.
Smile.
No. Look into christianity. Westboro baptist. Subtle ways to install hatred. How your christian families disowned a gay/lesbian child. In the 1930s-1940s hid dysfunctional children, denying them parents, sent them to sanitoriums or just abandoned them. Forgetting their christian values. The war between Isreal and Pakistan on religion. Some do good some don't.

“Trolls are Clueless”

Since: Dec 07

Aptos, California

#17908 May 11, 2013
Says It All wrote:
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I can see your hat but where is your cattle?
That's funny Says.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#17909 May 14, 2013
Tikka wrote:
Why all this talk when the Bible says many times all homosexual acts are very very bad?
You follow God or you follow devil.
But you do not follow God. If you did you would have sold your computer:

First, a true follower of Jesus would have to be extremely poor--as poor as the proverbial churchmouse. The Bible makes this quite clear:
•(a) "...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" (Luke 14:33);
•(b) "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor and you will have riches in heaven" (Matt. 19:21);
•(c) "Sell your possessions and give alms" (Luke 12:33);
•(d) "But give what is in your cups and plates to the poor, and everything will be clean for you" (Luke 11:41);
•(e) "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,.... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.... for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" (Matt. 6:19-21);
•(f) "How hardly shall they that have riches enter to the kingdom of God" (Mark 10:23);
•(g) "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24);
•(h) A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" (Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21),
•and (i) Paul said, "For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ" (Phil. 3:8 RSV)

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#17910 May 14, 2013
What about the O.T. laws that are conveniently ignored, but of equal weight? Biblicists act as if many did not exist. The following examples are typical:

•(a) Money cannot be lent at interest to your brother, only to foreigners (Deut. 23:19-20);
•(b) Eating pork is forbidden (Deut. 14:8);
•(c) A man must marry and have relations with his dead brother's wife (Deut. 25:5-6);
•(d) A seducer must marry an unengaged virgin whom he seduces (Ex. 22:16-17);
•(e) A raped, unengaged virgin must marry her rapist and they can never divorce (Deut. 22:28-29);
•(f) Trials for adultery are to be by ordeal (Num. 5:28-29);
•(g) Eating rare meat with blood is forbidden (Lev. 19:26);
•(h) Beards can't be rounded (Lev. 19:27);
•(i) A newly married man can't go to war or be charged with business for one year (Deut. 24:5);
•(j) A guilty man can be beaten with as many as forty blows (Deut. 25:1-3);
•(k) A garment composed of wool and linen can't be worn (Deut. 22:11);
•(l) Punishment shall be administered on the basis of an eye for an eye (Deut. 19:21, Ex. 21:24);
•(m) One's nation can lend to other nations but not borrow from them (Deut. 15:6);
•(n) Bastards can't enter the Lord's congregation (Deut. 23:2);
•(o) First-born children should sometimes be sacrificed to the Lord (Ex. 22:29); and
•(p) Debtor brothers shall be released from their obligation every seven years (Deut. 15:1-3).

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#17911 May 14, 2013
Argo wrote:
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Bible say you not Christian.
Right on, "swed" is no Christian, indeed, I have never met a Christian ever in my whole life. Why? Because there is no such thing. Why? because to be a Christian one has to follow all of the followiing.

a true follower of Jesus would have to be extremely poor--as poor as the proverbial churchmouse. The Bible makes this quite clear:
•(a) "...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" (Luke 14:33);
•(b) "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor and you will have riches in heaven" (Matt. 19:21);
•(c) "Sell your possessions and give alms" (Luke 12:33);
•(d) "But give what is in your cups and plates to the poor, and everything will be clean for you" (Luke 11:41);
•(e) "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,.... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.... for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" (Matt. 6:19-21);
•(f) "How hardly shall they that have riches enter to the kingdom of God" (Mark 10:23);
•(g) "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24);
•(h) A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" (Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21),
•and (i) Paul said, "For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ" (Phil. 3:8 RSV)

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#17912 May 14, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Right on, "swed" is no Christian, indeed, I have never met a Christian ever in my whole life. Why? Because there is no such thing. Why? because to be a Christian one has to follow all of the followiing.
a true follower of Jesus would have to be extremely poor--as poor as the proverbial churchmouse. The Bible makes this quite clear:
•(a) "...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" (Luke 14:33);
•(b) "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor and you will have riches in heaven" (Matt. 19:21);
•(c) "Sell your possessions and give alms" (Luke 12:33);
•(d) "But give what is in your cups and plates to the poor, and everything will be clean for you" (Luke 11:41);
•(e) "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,.... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.... for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" (Matt. 6:19-21);
•(f) "How hardly shall they that have riches enter to the kingdom of God" (Mark 10:23);
•(g) "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24);
•(h) A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" (Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21),
•and (i) Paul said, "For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ" (Phil. 3:8 RSV)
Rev. Alan,

Perhaps I am being presumptuous in calling myself a "Christian."

Maybe I should just be satisfied with regarding myself as a disciple of Christ. Certainly not a perfect disciple, by any stretch of the imagination; but, a disciple, just the same.

One thing I am not is a biblical fundamentalist/literalist.

One thing that I am is an ordained priest. For some, including myself, this designation has some meaning and value. For others, it has meaning, but has no value. For even others, it has neither meaning nor value. And for even some others, it is an impediment to their willingness to allow any conversation at all.

Rev. Ken

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#17913 May 14, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

Size increases the effectiveness.
A fact which your wife will never experience.

Smile.
Kasper Hauser

Sterling, VA

#17914 May 14, 2013
Colorado did it right by legalizing both Gay marriage and pot during the last election. After all, the Bible says that "if a man lieth with another man, then they should both de stoned."

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#17917 May 15, 2013
disgusted american wrote:
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Hey Alan, I bet you su;ck a d!ck better than I do.
Childish remark.

What are you? Eight years old?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#17918 May 17, 2013
Prior to the 1940's (building up the the 'red' scare) no Bible had the word homosexual in it.

Why not?
check it out

Pekin, IL

#17920 May 17, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
Prior to the 1940's (building up the the 'red' scare) no Bible had the word homosexual in it.
Why not?
At biblegateway's Web side, you can check every major translation and original languages. EVERY ONE makes it plain that all homosexual behavior is prohibited.

Are you really not aware of the fact that the English word homosexual was coined relatively recently? Certainly there were many other ways of describing and prohibiting your lifestyle choice before the word was coined, and that was exactly the case in EVERY Bible translation and in original tongues.
check it out

Pekin, IL

#17921 May 17, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Childish remark.
What are you? Eight years old?
So you think your lifestyle choice is childish? Freud did, too. He considered homosexuality to be a developmental disorder, with you folk stuck at the 'girls are ucky' stage- i.e. a developmental disorder. That view basically stuck until a few decades back when politics trumped science in the APA.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#17922 May 17, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Rev. Alan,
Perhaps I am being presumptuous in calling myself a "Christian."
Maybe I should just be satisfied with regarding myself as a disciple of Christ. Certainly not a perfect disciple, by any stretch of the imagination; but, a disciple, just the same.
One thing I am not is a biblical fundamentalist/literalist.
One thing that I am is an ordained priest. For some, including myself, this designation has some meaning and value. For others, it has meaning, but has no value. For even others, it has neither meaning nor value. And for even some others, it is an impediment to their willingness to allow any conversation at all.
Rev. Ken
Dear Ken, It is not my fault what we find written on the pages of the Bible. I am the messenger, not the author of the message. It is your religion, I just report the facts. You have to deal with it. You may want to consider that your BibleGod, ie the Bible, can not be trusted to tell you about homosexuality and that should be reason to reject all of it since the book is flawed cover to cover. Being a Christian does not make you a good person, being a good person makes you a good person.

Why do you align yourself with a book that demands you be put to death? That the God you love finds you an abomination?

Honestly it makes no sense to me. I have a gay cousin and I can't tell you the hell he went through because of what people read in the Bible. I knew right away that the Bible was wrong when I read what it says about homosexuals. Any book that demands the death of homosexuals is not a book I can trust on any subject.

I have to continue to fight fire with fire. When these pew warming bigots listen to the con artist at the front of their church and then visit us here to vent their confusion, ignorance and bigotry I have to respond with bible verses which show them how wrong they are, how stupid, ignorant and self deluded they are.

You are just an innocient by-stander.

JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Are you going to obey Jesus and kill me? He died 2,000 years ago so I guess I am safe, LOL!

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#17923 May 17, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
Prior to the 1940's (building up the the 'red' scare) no Bible had the word homosexual in it.
Why not?
Because the Bible is translated by politicians with political objectives not by language experts.

Ecclesiastes 3:1, "There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:"

Think about what this is telling you......

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