You don't seem to understand, Kimare.KiMare wrote:
Maybe you should read it;
Matthew 19:12 (NASB)
...there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven...."
Did they make themselves eunuchs by castration, or by abstention?
You are suggesting that Jesus was espousing self castration for the sake of the Kingdom?
You are so full of it. I keep exposing your lies rev...
Give it up.
You slim around again rev...
We were not talking about religious zeal, we were talking about the specific words of Christ.
He clearly spoke of abstention by choice.
A eunuch is someone who who sets aside sex for life, not 'for a time'.
What you still avoid is a clear explanation of what you assert Christ was saying, because you can't do so and make any sense.
Keep digging a hole like that, and you will reach hell.
No. The text in this passage mentions absolutely nothing about abstaining. That is YOUR interpretation.
Yes, we are talking about religious zeal. Self-mutilation and castration have long been cultural practices, especially among some of the most fervently religious. That is why I mentioned the North African tribal custom of clitorectomy. The sexual drive is a very powerful and personal behavior-modifying influence. It is literally hormonal and chemical in nature, causing actual, physical changes as well as emotional states, with spiritual ramifications. To stem these influences, some have willingly undergone castration; even doing this to themselves.
If you do not know and understand this, you need to take some time out to educate yourself. Jesus does not specifically advocate self-mutilation, calling the human body the Temple of God. But, in recognition that there are individuals who have done this to themselves for the purpose of eliminating self-perceived sexual temptations, Jesus acknowledges "eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs ..."
This is not the same thing as celibacy - which is to abstain - whether the choice to be celibate is for a time or as a vow for life. If you don't believe this, go ask any Roman Catholic priest. You'll get an earfull, if he is honest with you. I posed the question to you so that you would be able to look at the issue and find out for yourself. This you must do and certainly not because I said so.
Yes, He spoke of becoming a eunuch by choice. But, clearly, you don't understand what that means. And, NO, He does NOT require this of anyone or say that it is necessary for anyone in the text.
That is why I say READ IT! Instead of trying to put your own spin on it.
You are exposing nothing but your own misunderstandings and misguided religion-based opinions. The remedy is knowledge.
Jesus said, "Seek the truth ..." Do it. And don't be afraid of Hell. Jesus wasn't.