Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36055 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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Since: Aug 11

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#17332 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Christain values these hatemongering lowlifes hide behind. Grinding their axes to chop away at humanity. Of a few christians I knew, would'nt speak in the manner of revken and those like him here. That TV troll-pat robertson-of a B, yesterday yapping about marriage of S.S. couples can't produce children. Opponants and I say and know that marriage is about love. And people get married past the age of conception and sterile couples. I have'nt heard the religiously inclined mention that! I guess it would prove them wrong.
very well said.

Since: Aug 09

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#17333 Mar 28, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Vick,
My impression of you is three-fold;
-A serious comprehension problem. I'm curious to know if others have mentioned that to you.
-Denial. In the post above, you equate all types of families as equal in outcome for the children. Simply and clearly not true.
-OT prophets and Jesus spoke of those who have eyes and don't see and ears but don't hear.
Smile.
<quoted text>
Yes you did. From your previous post;
"While a gay couple can have their own children or adopt. And those children raised just as well as any hetero couple."
By the way, ss couples cannot "have their own children". Ever.
Again, an example of why I listed the three points above.
Smile.
Question for you, Kimare:

If a married couple finds they cannot have children because of an infertility problem, say the man cannot produce viable sperm, is it wrong if they both agree to this for them to seek a sperm donor? Often times, this does not involve an anonymous donor.

The woman then has her egg fertilized and implanted and she carries the child to term, giving birth to a child for the couple that contains only half of the couple's DNA; hers.

They then raise the child as their own.

You know, this happens. In some cases it happens because the male cannot supply. In other cases, it happens because the female of the couple has fertility problems.

In some other cases the couple supplies both DNA sides of the fertilized egg and they utilize a third person to carry the child to term, i.e. a surrogate womb mother. After the birth, the couple raises the child.

Do you have any particular problems with these scenarios? I can tell you, I do not. These are work-around solutions to fertility problems, in my opinion.

Rev. Ken
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17334 Mar 28, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Um could you try that again in English?
Pssst, spell check.....
what's misspelled? Maybe what I typed as some wordplay has you wondering-such as: robertson-of a B (S.O.B). Either way, I'm posting on from a cell phone. Letters on the keyboard really close. Plus I have limited endurance with all limbs. Neuropathy causing that. So when I do see a mistake, I let it go because of those difficulties. Plus I see others misspell and hardly anyone points it out. SO FREAKING WHAT? TOO difficult to understand the word and meddage? Even my doctors misspell.
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17335 Mar 28, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is wrong? The joining of one man and one woman is the plan, read your Bible.
"27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth."
So G-d created them, male and female, and said unto them, male and female, Be. and multiply and replenish the earth.
Now how are two women or two men going to do as G-d has commanded?
I read that much from the BI-BULL. God creating man from the dust if the earth. What? Makes the universe from nothing but has yo create man out of the dust of the earth. Then causes a deep sleep over Adam-removes a rib to create Eve! What? Noy enough dust around to create her separately? Human anatomy shows man has no missing rib. Such B.S.!! PLUS the earth is overpopulated. This. "Multiply and replenish the earth" is way overdone. The earth has 7 billion and resources strained. The Bi-bull,and that's all it is has so many fallicies. Outlandish publication. You want to promote a book that depictes this god as a maladjusted being that should be on medications and live your life by it,is your right. A real god would have a much more sensible guide for his children.
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17336 Mar 28, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
very well said.
Thank you. Not much compliments received on this forum.
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17337 Mar 28, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Um could you try that again in English?
Pssst, spell check.....
Easier to understand what I said than what's in the bible. Can't understand I, then you must have massive difficulty with making sense from the words in the bible.
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17338 Mar 28, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is wrong? The joining of one man and one woman is the plan, read your Bible.
"27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth."
So G-d created them, male and female, and said unto them, male and female, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.
Now how are two women or two men going to do as G-d has commanded?
My brothers wife is sterile. Yet they are married. You think it's not valid because no children will result? They married in a church. Then widowed people past age 65 get married with no children to be born. You think that's not gods plan and should be stopped? Then the many divorces and remarriages in the "House of God" also be outlawed? Those who divorce don't go to a priest,they go to a lawyer. Like it ir not marriage is a LEGAL MATTER! Priests-preachers-whatever don't handle divorce cases. Just a freaking ritual a church does that is authorized by law to perform. Church is NOT needed to get married. Stick that in your bible.

Since: Aug 11

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#17339 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you. Not much compliments received on this forum.
U R welcome. I know what you mean. A whole lot of ego tripping going on for sure!!!
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17340 Mar 28, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
U R welcome. I know what you mean. A whole lot of ego tripping going on for sure!!!
Religion can't even agree among the various faiths as to which of the many faiths are correct (if any of them are). Can't all be correct. So which one to choose? So many misleading the world as to which path to follow has its members confused. Then they preach to everyone else claiming to be the "TRUE RELIGION". That the religious should "straighten"out before gays.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#17341 Mar 28, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Question for you, Kimare:
If a married couple finds they cannot have children because of an infertility problem, say the man cannot produce viable sperm, is it wrong if they both agree to this for them to seek a sperm donor? Often times, this does not involve an anonymous donor.
The woman then has her egg fertilized and implanted and she carries the child to term, giving birth to a child for the couple that contains only half of the couple's DNA; hers.
They then raise the child as their own.
You know, this happens. In some cases it happens because the male cannot supply. In other cases, it happens because the female of the couple has fertility problems.
In some other cases the couple supplies both DNA sides of the fertilized egg and they utilize a third person to carry the child to term, i.e. a surrogate womb mother. After the birth, the couple raises the child.
Do you have any particular problems with these scenarios? I can tell you, I do not. These are work-around solutions to fertility problems, in my opinion.
Rev. Ken
What are the examples of similar situations from Scripture?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#17342 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> I read that much from the BI-BULL. God creating man from the dust if the earth. What? Makes the universe from nothing but has yo create man out of the dust of the earth. Then causes a deep sleep over Adam-removes a rib to create Eve! What? Noy enough dust around to create her separately? Human anatomy shows man has no missing rib. Such B.S.!! PLUS the earth is overpopulated. This. "Multiply and replenish the earth" is way overdone. The earth has 7 billion and resources strained. The Bi-bull,and that's all it is has so many fallicies. Outlandish publication. You want to promote a book that depictes this god as a maladjusted being that should be on medications and live your life by it,is your right. A real god would have a much more sensible guide for his children.
Using language that could be understood until science caught up with the Bible, after the big bang, life was formed from pools of amino acids and at first was genderless. Science finally caught up with what the Bible noted long ago.

Smile.
SHADOW

Bulverde, TX

#17343 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Religion can't even agree among the various faiths as to which of the many faiths are correct (if any of them are). Can't all be correct. So which one to choose? So many misleading the world as to which path to follow has its members confused. Then they preach to everyone else claiming to be the "TRUE RELIGION". That the religious should "straighten"out before gays.
Boy you are one bitter SOB huh.
Now we have established you hate the organized religions. You hate and ridicule the Bible and it's teachings. You hate the "faiths" as a whole.
How about the ten commandments-you find fault there as well?
OK we know you hate already.
What I posted was simply the natural order of things.
You will admit man and woman were made for each other right?
It is how the young are born.
What ever happened in your miserable life to make you that twisted and bitter anyway? It is sad to see someone like you.
SHADOW

Bulverde, TX

#17344 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> My brothers wife is sterile. Yet they are married. You think it's not valid because no children will result? They married in a church. Then widowed people past age 65 get married with no children to be born. You think that's not gods plan and should be stopped? Then the many divorces and remarriages in the "House of God" also be outlawed? Those who divorce don't go to a priest,they go to a lawyer. Like it ir not marriage is a LEGAL MATTER! Priests-preachers-whatever don't handle divorce cases. Just a freaking ritual a church does that is authorized by law to perform. Church is NOT needed to get married. Stick that in your bible.
Did my post say sterile people should not marry or that the aged should not marry? No I didn't think so.
Again it is hard to deal with one so bitter as you.
Lilith_Satans_wh o_re

Bellevue, WA

#17345 Mar 28, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is wrong? The joining of one man and one woman is the plan, read your Bible.
"27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and
multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion
over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth."
So G-d created them, male and female, and said unto them, male and female, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.
Now how are two women or two men going to do as G-d has commanded?
no one cares... its mythology

Since: Aug 11

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#17346 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Religion can't even agree among the various faiths as to which of the many faiths are correct (if any of them are). Can't all be correct. So which one to choose? So many misleading the world as to which path to follow has its members confused. Then they preach to everyone else claiming to be the "TRUE RELIGION". That the religious should "straighten"out before gays.
Religion is always religion. Religion is based upon shared beliefs. This doesn't mean any of it is true or actually happened.
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17347 Mar 28, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Using language that could be understood until science caught up with the Bible, after the big bang, life was formed from pools of amino acids and at first was genderless. Science finally caught up with what the Bible noted long ago.
Smile.
No, the bible says nothing about man being created from poola of amino acids. It says from the dust of the earth. Then you say it was first genderless. Not in the bibull either.
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17348 Mar 28, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Did my post say sterile people should not marry or that the aged should not marry? No I didn't think so.
Again it is hard to deal with one so bitter as you.
I was making a point about sterile couples and aged people. Asking you IF they should be denied because no children would be born. Get it now?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#17349 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> No, the bible says nothing about man being created from poola of amino acids. It says from the dust of the earth. Then you say it was first genderless. Not in the bibull either.
So you are saying that the Bible should have said 'amino acids'. Something no one would understand for thousands of years until only the last 100?

Sorry, when you are the only gender, gender is not considered. Moreover, marriage in the Bible heralds back to that very idea when it describes the man and woman becoming one.

Keep trying.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#17350 Mar 28, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> I was making a point about sterile couples and aged people. Asking you IF they should be denied because no children would be born. Get it now?
Never been a problem before. Why now?

SMile.
Vick Torre

Jersey City, NJ

#17351 Mar 28, 2013
SHADOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy you are one bitter SOB huh.
Now we have established you hate the organized religions. You hate and ridicule the Bible and it's teachings. You hate the "faiths" as a whole.
How about the ten commandments-you find fault there as well?
OK we know you hate already.
What I posted was simply the natural order of things.
You will admit man and woman were made for each other right?
It is how the young are born.
What ever happened in your miserable life to make you that twisted and bitter anyway? It is sad to see someone like you.
Hate-maybe. I really don't care what's in religious writings. I use to believe till I seen how bitter many religious drones are. Then try to dictate how to live my life. Example is you posting on the "natutal order of life". Life has lots of oddities. She-males for one. They are of both sexes. Other species need no mate. Interchangable sexes. In essence they have no need for another of the species to reproduce. Religion itself set me on the course of seeking truth. Began to question scripture. IF ALL followed the BiBull this world would not be turmoil. Crime-wars-famine-.C.E.O.s not being greedy,etc. Where are the believers faith? The very ones in positions of power don't live by the words of the BIBULL. How many swear on it before taking office then break that oath? They must not believe either. What I seek is truth. What I'm told/ read/ hear isn't good enough for me. Why I said all faiths cannot be correct. Therefore which one to follow? Religious leaders should be locked in a room and at least decide on one. Otherwise, none of them know absolutely. But have you live your life by their say-so. Which is what you do. Lead along life like a sheep by unsure beliefs. Foolhardy. So I continue to seek truth.

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