Homosexuality and the Bible

Aug 15, 2011 | Posted by: Selecia Jones- JAX FL | Full story: www.smh.com.au

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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THEY CHANGE THE TRUTH wrote:
http://www.alamoministries.com /content/english/Literature/ch angethetruth.html
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was just. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate [rejected by God] mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”
Verses 29, 30, and 31 tell of the sinful nature, wickedness, and personality of the homosexual:“Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful.” Verse 32 tells that God says,“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
Who did God give up into vile affections? If God gave then into such, it must have been the will of God.

Why are you posting such worthless drivel anyway?
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Vick,
I agree that not all religions can be right. Personally, the key question I approached with was, what about brokenness? Or sin? Why does every human express selfishness, hatred, anger, theft, deceit and worse? How does any belief system explain and deal with it. I found the Judeo/Christian faith the best at answering that question. I still have numerous unanswered questions however.
I am perplexed by your continued skepticism. Your question is very simple to me. Either there is no God, or there is a God and He is not interested in you, or you are lying about your sincere search. I don't see any other options, do you?
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Lucky for you, I've made a list of the numerous questions you haven't answered, Genius:

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

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KiMare wrote:
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Am I missing something?
Yes, a life.

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Am I missing something?
Yes, a personality.

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Am I missing something?
Yes, compassion.
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Yes, compassion.
Dammit, I was gonna do these!

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This from lying twits who deny reality.

Do you have a reasoned logical response to my facts?

No.

Hence twin trolls.

Smile.

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Was Jude (a servant of Christ jesus and brother of James) not a Jew? He thought Sodom's sin was sexual immorality and perversion.
Jude 1-7.
Written WELL after the original Apostles were dead.

BTW, James was the brother of Jesus....

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Was Jude (a servant of Christ jesus and brother of James) not a Jew? He thought Sodom's sin was sexual immorality and perversion.
Jude 1-7.
That tract is problematic.

Jude is considered to be a part of the "canon", yet quotes and refers to sources that are not similarly canonical in either Jewish or Xian traditions.

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<quoted text> You're saying I'm limited. You disagree with the bible that we were created of the "dust of the earth"? That Eve created from Adams rib? If so then that backs my statement that we are made of the same materials just rearranged for various purpose. Therefore male-male, female- female, male- female physiology would'nt matter.
I don't think you are limited, anymore than any of the rest of us.

But, I do understand that a person's faith is often a matter of their own willingness to watch for and put a stop to unnecessary self-imposed limitations.

Not every prayer gets answered, thank God. But, I think some do. And, if your point is that you are simply a thermodynamics realist, then I counter with the idea that, at some level, ideas are energy and they do affect creation. How effective prayer is or may be might actually have to do with the competition of ideas and the energy mustered to bring about their manifestation.

I have no idea of whether or not a person named Eve was "cloned" in female form. If so, the story would suggest that Adam was male only even when there were no female humans. That is or would have been, shall we say, highly unlikely.

A lot of people take creation stories literally. I do not.

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I don't think you are limited, anymore than any of the rest of us.
But, I do understand that a person's faith is often a matter of their own willingness to watch for and put a stop to unnecessary self-imposed limitations.
Not every prayer gets answered, thank God. But, I think some do. And, if your point is that you are simply a thermodynamics realist, then I counter with the idea that, at some level, ideas are energy and they do affect creation. How effective prayer is or may be might actually have to do with the competition of ideas and the energy mustered to bring about their manifestation.
I have no idea of whether or not a person named Eve was "cloned" in female form. If so, the story would suggest that Adam was male only even when there were no female humans. That is or would have been, shall we say, highly unlikely.
A lot of people take creation stories literally. I do not.
Rev. Ken
As far as can be examined/studied, all this universe is composed of energy. That energy binds together, like snowflakes to form tangable matter. This is known as "string theory". One of my unanswered questions about gods creation of us has been: If all the matter in the universe was created, stars-planets-people, then why would god take a rib from Adam to create woman? Run out of material? Man is not missing a rib. There's problem #1.
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Problem #2. Suppose you and your wife steal from a bank. You 2 get caught. Go before a judge for sentencing. The judge decides that while he's at it, includes your entire family, even the ones yet to be born,to pay for your crime. Even humans are'nt that cruel. Who would deem that fair? God does. So this loving being curses all of us and the sufferings placed on us,then sends his only son to be tortured and die to pay for us? And he did no crime to boot!! That's certifiable insanity.

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Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> As far as can be examined/studied, all this universe is composed of energy. That energy binds together, like snowflakes to form tangable matter. This is known as "string theory". One of my unanswered questions about gods creation of us has been: If all the matter in the universe was created, stars-planets-people, then why would god take a rib from Adam to create woman? Run out of material? Man is not missing a rib. There's problem #1.
The fact of the matter is it is simply a mythological teaching story. It never actually happened.

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Problem #2. Suppose you and your wife steal from a bank. You 2 get caught. Go before a judge for sentencing. The judge decides that while he's at it, includes your entire family, even the ones yet to be born,to pay for your crime. Even humans are'nt that cruel. Who would deem that fair? God does. So this loving being curses all of us and the sufferings placed on us,then sends his only son to be tortured and die to pay for us? And he did no crime to boot!! That's certifiable insanity.
Vick,

1. Jesus promised problems for followers. Where did you get otherwise?

2. The universe was created outr of nothing. The bible and science agree about that.

3. No one is judged for someone else's sins.

Just these mistakes confirm my suspicion about the sincerity of your quest.

I would also suggest you reread my previous post. You clearly misunderstood what it said.

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KiMare wrote:
This from lying twits who deny reality.
Do you have a reasoned logical response to my facts?
No.
Hence twin trolls.
Smile.
You mean these "facts", Genius?

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

Snicker Snort.(Suck blow suck, NoIQ!)

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KiMare wrote:
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2. The universe was created outr of nothing. The bible and science agree about that.
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Science just ain't your fortè, is it, Genius. No true scientist would ever say that something can come from nothing. Things, such as as energy and matter, can be converted into each other, but you you can't get something from nothing. Much like your posts.
You better study up on the Big Bang theory.
Then try answering some of your other stupid claims:

Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

Snicker Snort.(Suck blow suck, NoIQ!)

Robert
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Vick,
1. Jesus promised problems for followers. Where did you get otherwise?
2. The universe was created outr of nothing. The bible and science agree about that.
3. No one is judged for someone else's sins.
Just these mistakes confirm my suspicion about the sincerity of your quest.
I would also suggest you reread my previous post. You clearly misunderstood what it said.
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Robsan5 is correct. I speak of long BEFORE Jesus. You know,Adam and Eve. Mankind was cursed and all of their children thereafter for the sin those 2 did. Everybody knows that. Than cast out if Eden and made to suffer. Science and the bible do not agree about creation out of nothing! And yes we were cursed for the sins of others. That's in the bible and you say its not! B.S.. Clearly you misread the bible. I doubt your sincerity by twisting what had been rammed into my consciousness all these years. Just as I posted here about Adam and Eve's sin and all mankind paying for it. Remember the cruifixtion? Jesus being crucififed to pay for past-present-future? Because god knew we are "damaged goods" and not worthy to enter heaven which applies to those NOT YET BORN. Jesus purpose of being born was about paying for sins not yet committed. Because all have failed to live sinless lives. So,god stays hidden and has others speak for him. Supposedly has others write for him instead of letting himself tell us what he wants. Simply and much more effectively have all humans receive a message in our minds. Now that would be impressive! Everyone on this world at the same time receive his word telepathically! That would convince all and without god showing himself in person.

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<quoted text> Robsan5 is correct. I speak of long BEFORE Jesus. You know,Adam and Eve. Mankind was cursed and all of their children thereafter for the sin those 2 did. Everybody knows that. Than cast out if Eden and made to suffer. Science and the bible do not agree about creation out of nothing! And yes we were cursed for the sins of others. That's in the bible and you say its not! B.S.. Clearly you misread the bible. I doubt your sincerity by twisting what had been rammed into my consciousness all these years. Just as I posted here about Adam and Eve's sin and all mankind paying for it. Remember the cruifixtion? Jesus being crucififed to pay for past-present-future? Because god knew we are "damaged goods" and not worthy to enter heaven which applies to those NOT YET BORN. Jesus purpose of being born was about paying for sins not yet committed. Because all have failed to live sinless lives. So,god stays hidden and has others speak for him. Supposedly has others write for him instead of letting himself tell us what he wants. Simply and much more effectively have all humans receive a message in our minds. Now that would be impressive! Everyone on this world at the same time receive his word telepathically! That would convince all and without god showing himself in person.
Well I guess that settles it. You are right and God is wrong! And how easy it was. Makes me wonder how He ever got that title in the first place!!!

I bet you could switch places with Him. Especially since He's not talking to you, maybe THAT would get Him to answer!

Oh, god Vick, just wondering. At the moment of the Big Bang, what did the universe begin expanding from?

Snicker.
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Well I guess that settles it. You are right and God is wrong! And how easy it was. Makes me wonder how He ever got that title in the first place!!!
I bet you could switch places with Him. Especially since He's not talking to you, maybe THAT would get Him to answer!
Oh, god Vick, just wondering. At the moment of the Big Bang, what did the universe begin expanding from?
Snicker.
Hey Genius, you haven't done the homework I assigned you.
Here's some questions YOU still haven't answered:

Please prove your assertion that science thinks that something can be made from nothing.
Please prove your assertion that homosexuality is a mistake of genetic epi-markers.
Please prove your assertion that the article Regnerus wrote has received awards.
Please prove your assertion that the sun is a form of radiation.
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please prove your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

Snicker Snort.(Suck blow suck, NoIQ!)

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