Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36038 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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#17221 Mar 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I didn't say it wasn't. I just noted that that failure looked like a herd of gays looking after their own 'needs'.
Right?
Smirk.
Sorry. I disagree. SMILE

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#17222 Mar 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Are you sure?
Just a thought, if you are not interested in your Maker, it makes perfect sense for Him to honor your request by not forcing himself on you. Ever. That would be eternal self-damnation.
Smile.
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> I guess you did'nt bother rrading my other post. I said I use to totally believe in what those in my life taught me. Prayed for 50years. I'd call that showing interest. All that prayer fell on deaf ears. Not one thing answered. See,a person can persaude themselves into belief. Seems that's what you done to yourself. Keep telling yourself untruths long enough you end up believing in untruths. I know because I believed. When certain situations arose,would pray with such intensity, find nothing resulted over years of praying. Began to pray of why no answer. Then stopped altogether. Began to look at religion objectively and came to conclusions I post. I know 3 people trying to convince me prayer works. Said paryers with them and went to church with them. Just 2 weeks ago this was. Guess what? Nothing happened. Still no prayer answered. I prayed outloud with them the last 5 months. No results as they PROMISED would happen. Because they have their noses so deep into religion that anything happening is "gods will" and can't see reality. Same results as the past 50 years.
Sorry Vick, but I did read your previous post. I can't explain why not one of your prayers were answered. I can only testify of my own experience. However, I don't demand that God obey my beck and calling either.

Moreover, most believers I know don't believe because God answers their prayers. They operate from the assumption that they are there for God, not God there to be their own personal magic genie.

It is also quite a presumption that anyone who disagrees with you "has their nose so deep into religion that they... can't see reality."

But none of this applies to the response I gave to your assertion about eternity and your choice.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#17223 Mar 20, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Sorry. I disagree. SMILE
Of course.

I didn't expect anything more, and there can't be anything less.

Smile.

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#17224 Mar 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Of course.
I didn't expect anything more, and there can't be anything less.
Smile.
You said parents don't want defective children.
Does that mean your parents didn't want you?
:)
Vick Torre

Arlington, VA

#17225 Mar 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Are you sure?
Just a thought, if you are not interested in your Maker, it makes perfect sense for Him to honor your request by not forcing himself on you. Ever. That would be eternal self-damnation.
Smile.
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Sorry Vick, but I did read your previous post. I can't explain why not one of your prayers were answered. I can only testify of my own experience. However, I don't demand that God obey my beck and calling either.
Moreover, most believers I know don't believe because God answers their prayers. They operate from the assumption that they are there for God, not God there to be their own personal magic genie.
It is also quite a presumption that anyone who disagrees with you "has their nose so deep into religion that they... can't see reality."
But none of this applies to the response I gave to your assertion about eternity and your choice.
Smile.
Now you're assuming. Placing words I never said. I don't expect god to be a personal genie. I just went by what I'm told. That prayers are answered if for gods-your own-others benefit. I lived long enough to know that life has many agreements/disagreements and never expect others to agree. I state an observation. Whatever thr occupation a person has,easy to "bury'oneself deep enough to loose objectivity. Hence-"noses deep into religion". And out supposedly free will should be just that. Up to each of us to decide. When these 2 guys promised I would get answers as they have, I reminded them I had very strong incentives for just having some questions answered. Got nothing ad I prayed with them and they prayed I'd get the answers I seek. Still nothing. All the people I trusted-parents-relatives-frie nds for many years I kept trying. HELLO GOD!!! Been seeking you,praying to you,others praying on my behalf had sincerity in searching for you. Nothing. I will not mislead anyone into false hope. Believe all you and anyone wants to. I'm fine with and respect anyones belief. I do the same. I refuse to lead people to what I find as "unproven".Just tell them "maybe" on religion.
Vick Torre

Arlington, VA

#17226 Mar 20, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Not placing blame, Vic.
But, there are some others posting here who will try to place blame.
I'll go with Snyper's comment.
It helps that you have further described your views.
Rev. Ken
You're saying I'm limited. You disagree with the bible that we were created of the "dust of the earth"? That Eve created from Adams rib? If so then that backs my statement that we are made of the same materials just rearranged for various purpose. Therefore male-male, female- female, male- female physiology would'nt matter.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#17227 Mar 20, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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You said parents don't want defective children.
Does that mean your parents didn't want you?
:)
His vagina, Sandy, doesn't even want him. Alas, she's stuck with him.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#17229 Mar 20, 2013
Pete wrote:
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Do you like eating feces or does it just come with the job?
I've never eaten any fecal matter.

Do enjoy thinking about other people who eat fecal matter? Does that make your micro-penis stiff?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#17230 Mar 21, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Now you're assuming. Placing words I never said. I don't expect god to be a personal genie. I just went by what I'm told. That prayers are answered if for gods-your own-others benefit. I lived long enough to know that life has many agreements/disagreements and never expect others to agree. I state an observation. Whatever thr occupation a person has,easy to "bury'oneself deep enough to loose objectivity. Hence-"noses deep into religion". And out supposedly free will should be just that. Up to each of us to decide. When these 2 guys promised I would get answers as they have, I reminded them I had very strong incentives for just having some questions answered. Got nothing ad I prayed with them and they prayed I'd get the answers I seek. Still nothing. All the people I trusted-parents-relatives-frie nds for many years I kept trying. HELLO GOD!!! Been seeking you,praying to you,others praying on my behalf had sincerity in searching for you. Nothing. I will not mislead anyone into false hope. Believe all you and anyone wants to. I'm fine with and respect anyones belief. I do the same. I refuse to lead people to what I find as "unproven".Just tell them "maybe" on religion.
While you didn't say my exact words, that is the common sense conclusion of everything you did say.

Moreover, you go on to claim an inquiring mind (which I commend), but claim your defense as 'that is what I was told'. If that is all you were 'told', then you clearly did not inquire very deeply.

I guess the thing that really sticks in my mind is the question, what is your point? Are you defending your unbelief? Are you trying to brag about your openness and wisdom at God's expense?

An inquiring mind wants to know.

Smile.
Vick Torre

Newark, NJ

#17231 Mar 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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While you didn't say my exact words, that is the common sense conclusion of everything you did say.
Moreover, you go on to claim an inquiring mind (which I commend), but claim your defense as 'that is what I was told'. If that is all you were 'told', then you clearly did not inquire very deeply.
I guess the thing that really sticks in my mind is the question, what is your point? Are you defending your unbelief? Are you trying to brag about your openness and wisdom at God's expense?
An inquiring mind wants to know.
Smile.
Yeah,I was told by clergy,bible readings. Is there another way you learned? Take any bible story and it faults itself. You're clearly odsessed with what you read that you don't question. "GOD" given ability for wondering-question asking-abstract thoughts-wasted if we don't apply those abilities. I question and inquire. Just read the bible. It dipicts God as very human with human failings. It's all in the bible. But you cleary fall for a scam. Defending my belief? No. Still searching for answers is what you mistake my stance for. That is my point. I'm open to the exsistance of god. Open to any possibility. Not just accepting what clergy-and words from an old book. You forget I often prayed for god to just simply tell me he exists. No answer. Yet over the years people claim just that-having heard from god. I prayed with all my heart+soul for years. Told you I did so 2 weeks ago IN church. Went with some that PROMISED I would get an answer. Prayed with them as they asked god to answer my seeking him. NOTHING. Still waiting. All religions claim THEY have the one true faith. They all cannot be true. The religious should get that worked out. For me too many religions and that meand one thing-a massive con job. You religious people can't even get that accomplished. If one god than only one religion is correct. But each one telling me otherwise. They come to my door to hand out litterature. I'm still nice to them. My neighbor just slams the foor on them.
Robsan5

San Leandro, CA

#17233 Mar 21, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
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STFU you're getting on my last nerve.
Robert
Don't listen to my alter ego, Vick. I have plenty of nerves left.

Robert
Vick Torre

Baltimore, MD

#17234 Mar 21, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
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Don't listen to my alter ego, Vick. I have plenty of nerves left.
Robert
I regonize those using the names of others after reading a few posts. Happens to me at times. They try to defame the original.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#17235 Mar 21, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah,I was told by clergy,bible readings. Is there another way you learned? Take any bible story and it faults itself. You're clearly odsessed with what you read that you don't question. "GOD" given ability for wondering-question asking-abstract thoughts-wasted if we don't apply those abilities. I question and inquire. Just read the bible. It dipicts God as very human with human failings. It's all in the bible. But you cleary fall for a scam. Defending my belief? No. Still searching for answers is what you mistake my stance for. That is my point. I'm open to the exsistance of god. Open to any possibility. Not just accepting what clergy-and words from an old book. You forget I often prayed for god to just simply tell me he exists. No answer. Yet over the years people claim just that-having heard from god. I prayed with all my heart+soul for years. Told you I did so 2 weeks ago IN church. Went with some that PROMISED I would get an answer. Prayed with them as they asked god to answer my seeking him. NOTHING. Still waiting. All religions claim THEY have the one true faith. They all cannot be true. The religious should get that worked out. For me too many religions and that meand one thing-a massive con job. You religious people can't even get that accomplished. If one god than only one religion is correct. But each one telling me otherwise. They come to my door to hand out litterature. I'm still nice to them. My neighbor just slams the foor on them.
Vick,

I agree that not all religions can be right. Personally, the key question I approached with was, what about brokenness? Or sin? Why does every human express selfishness, hatred, anger, theft, deceit and worse? How does any belief system explain and deal with it. I found the Judeo/Christian faith the best at answering that question. I still have numerous unanswered questions however.

I am perplexed by your continued skepticism. Your question is very simple to me. Either there is no God, or there is a God and He is not interested in you, or you are lying about your sincere search. I don't see any other options, do you?

Smile.
Poo

Scottsboro, AL

#17236 Mar 21, 2013
Mickaela wrote:
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how do u guys remember all these parts of the bible?
Reply: They Google it????
Vick Torre

Baltimore, MD

#17237 Mar 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Vick,
I agree that not all religions can be right. Personally, the key question I approached with was, what about brokenness? Or sin? Why does every human express selfishness, hatred, anger, theft, deceit and worse? How does any belief system explain and deal with it. I found the Judeo/Christian faith the best at answering that question. I still have numerous unanswered questions however.
I am perplexed by your continued skepticism. Your question is very simple to me. Either there is no God, or there is a God and He is not interested in you, or you are lying about your sincere search. I don't see any other options, do you?
Smile.
I explained before about my sincerity. Not lying about that. Why would I. How fantastic it would be to have eternal life and no ills of life here. Who would'nt want that. So yeah,my search is sincere! Also I don't want to persue a falsehood. Why the answer is important to me. If god is there then he's interested in everyone. So why say god is'nt interested in me. I just want god to simply say "I'm here!". Just one convincing act-dream or word,I'd then follow scripture as best I can. The "balls in gods court' now,as the saying goes. Often those likr you say I don't seek with sincereity. You don't know me well enough to decide that. I have sought with all I can muster. I know in my heart I have. That's all that matters. Regardless of others opinions on how much I tried.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#17238 Mar 21, 2013
Vick Torre wrote:
<quoted text>I explained before about my sincerity. Not lying about that. Why would I. How fantastic it would be to have eternal life and no ills of life here. Who would'nt want that. So yeah,my search is sincere! Also I don't want to persue a falsehood. Why the answer is important to me. If god is there then he's interested in everyone. So why say god is'nt interested in me. I just want god to simply say "I'm here!". Just one convincing act-dream or word,I'd then follow scripture as best I can. The "balls in gods court' now,as the saying goes. Often those likr you say I don't seek with sincereity. You don't know me well enough to decide that. I have sought with all I can muster. I know in my heart I have. That's all that matters. Regardless of others opinions on how much I tried.
I'm not judging your sincerity at all. I'm simply listing the options. You removed the idea that God is there and not interested, so that leaves one, God is not there, or two, you are not sincere. You claim you are and God is silent. That leaves God does not exist.

Now, why are you still searching? By your own assertion, it seems that you can be searching because of only one thing; You didn't knock on heaven's door loud enough.

Am I missing something?

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#17239 Mar 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Am I missing something?
Yes. A few screws.
THEY CHANGE THE TRUTH

Bell, CA

#17240 Mar 21, 2013
http://www.alamoministries.com/content/englis...

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was just. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate [rejected by God] mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”

Verses 29, 30, and 31 tell of the sinful nature, wickedness, and personality of the homosexual:“Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful.” Verse 32 tells that God says,“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
Vick Torre

Baltimore, MD

#17241 Mar 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I'm not judging your sincerity at all. I'm simply listing the options. You removed the idea that God is there and not interested, so that leaves one, God is not there, or two, you are not sincere. You claim you are and God is silent. That leaves God does not exist.
Now, why are you still searching? By your own assertion, it seems that you can be searching because of only one thing; You didn't knock on heaven's door loud enough.
Am I missing something?
You sure are missing something. I stated my efforts. YOU make the claim that I declare god does'nt exist. No where did I say that. I SAID I'm still seeking. IF I did'nt believe at all I would be here with a totally differrent debate. Your just upset that I have doubts. Again you assume actions I take without knowing all the searching I done. Listening to the religiously inclined id onr of my sources of search. But you already label me as "not knocking hard enough". HELLO! The religious pray outloud AND in silence. Would'nt you say god hears them? I'm told by those like you totally religious that god hears all prayers. What are you doing? Double talking?

Since: Aug 11

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#17242 Mar 21, 2013
THEY CHANGE THE TRUTH wrote:
http://www.alamoministries.com /content/english/Literature/ch angethetruth.html
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was just. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate [rejected by God] mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”
Verses 29, 30, and 31 tell of the sinful nature, wickedness, and personality of the homosexual:“Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful.” Verse 32 tells that God says,“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
Who did God give up into vile affections? If God gave then into such, it must have been the will of God.

Why are you posting such worthless drivel anyway?

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