Homosexuality and the Bible

Aug 15, 2011 | Posted by: Selecia Jones- JAX FL | Full story: www.smh.com.au

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
I was reacting to what I consider a judgment of the Bible that is not accurate. I still think you have a very negative opinion without understanding. Something you might want to consider.
I agree with you that homosexuality in and of itself is amoral. I don't thing it is a choice except in rare cases.
I was not speaking of my opinion of morality or yours. I was simply saying that sexual morality in the Bible is very clear and consistent. It is meant to be expressed within the bounds of marriage between a man and woman.
As to evolution and homosexuality, your assertion that it is a method of population control is simply unscientific and unnecessary. War and starvation have beat homosexuality to the punch regarding population control, and will continue to do so.
I would suggest you read up on mating behavior and the degree of influence it has on animal and human life.
I'm not trying to be rude, but you also have some incorrect ideas about genetics and DNA.
Finally, I did not speak of the cross cultural constraint of marriage in the Biblical sense, but rather a scientific perspective.
However, your assertion that intercourse 'consummates' a Biblical marriage is untrue. It is true that the Bible asserts there is much more than just a physical union when sex occurs.
From the perspective of evolution and mating behavior, homosexuality is a defective conflict with the primary goal. That is simply a fact.
I am an old man who is still learning, I would suggest that you hold the same attitude, especially at your age.
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I hold the same opinion as you do in terms of the Bible. The Bible does clearly state that marriage is between a man and a woman. And it is pretty clear in terms of it's restrictions on sexual morality.

However.

One must also bear in mind that marriage in itself predates christianity, and indeed all other abrahamic religions, and that homosexuality has been widely accepted by a multitude of cultures, where it is not seen as immoral.

I agree with you about evolution, however I just don't understand why that is a necessary argument in terms of modern society. As in the present day those of us lucky enough to live in prosperity in the western world don't have to "fight to survive" or worry about starvation. Therefore, as we live in a loophole to Darwin's theory, why should it matter whom we mate with aslong as it is legal and consenting?

From a scientific perspective, homosexuality is a gray area, because the cause of it hasn't been pinpointed, however many scientists believe it to be a mixture of genetic and environmental influences that cause it. By being on the homosexual spectrum to an extent, I am able to sympathise with those who are homosexual, lesbian, pansexual, transgendered, and so on. Because I know how it feels to be outside the "hetero-normative" of this world. And I can honestly say that it is painful, to know that you are different to everyone else, and that you will always be that one "gay" or whatever person in the eyes of everyone else. All the "LGBT community" want, from my experience, is just to be treated fairly and tolerated to an extent.

In terms of genetics and DNA, now THAT is a whole other topic. Due to things such as Le Chapelle's syndrome and other genetic disorders which can skew one's idea of what is "male" or "female", and in consequence make it difficult for one to pinpoint what is "homosexual" or "heterosexual".
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This woman GETS IT! A bit of a long read but she nails it!
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TMI! Please, maybe you to summer-ize?

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<quoted text> Either god or adam would have shot you all over the bible..
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<quoted text> Finally the janitor following pedo anal head admits it....
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TMI! Please, maybe you to summer-ize?
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But oh sooooo funny and yet TRUE...... Again you always have NOTHING in the tank..... Keep drinking used thong juice and praying for a fudge freedom fest....:)
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Why anal face preschool kid molester?????? How about that god was really just a guy with long hair and was stoned when he wrote the bible..... That would be boring and would not upset you.....:(

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<quoted text> But oh sooooo funny and yet TRUE...... Again you always have NOTHING in the tank..... Keep drinking used thong juice and praying for a fudge freedom fest....:)
DMAN,

Is this post message above placed by you on the Episcopal Church Forum? Or on some other Forum?
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Is this post message above placed by you on the Episcopal Church Forum? Or on some other Forum?
Just posted what could have been..... Who is to say he was not just a wanderer like everyone else..... Thats it....
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I hold the same opinion as you do in terms of the Bible. The Bible does clearly state that marriage is between a man and a woman. And it is pretty clear in terms of it's restrictions on sexual morality.
However.
One must also bear in mind that marriage in itself predates christianity, and indeed all other abrahamic religions, and that homosexuality has been widely accepted by a multitude of cultures, where it is not seen as immoral.
I agree with you about evolution, however I just don't understand why that is a necessary argument in terms of modern society. As in the present day those of us lucky enough to live in prosperity in the western world don't have to "fight to survive" or worry about starvation. Therefore, as we live in a loophole to Darwin's theory, why should it matter whom we mate with aslong as it is legal and consenting?
From a scientific perspective, homosexuality is a gray area, because the cause of it hasn't been pinpointed, however many scientists believe it to be a mixture of genetic and environmental influences that cause it. By being on the homosexual spectrum to an extent,...ay that it is painful, to know that you are different to everyone else, and that you will always be that one "gay" or whatever person in the eyes of everyone else. All the "LGBT community" want, from my experience, is just to be treated fairly and tolerated to an extent.
In terms of genetics and DNA, now THAT is a whole other topic. Due to things such as Le Chapelle's syndrome and other genetic disorders which can skew one's idea of what is "male" or "female", and in consequence make it difficult for one to pinpoint what is "homosexual" or "heterosexual".
I have spent a lifetime studying the Bible. I find the continuity between 60 books by 40 authors over hundreds of years amazing. Even more so, is the scientific and prophetic intricacies that permeate it.

Marriage has been present in every single culture in known human history. I hate to say it, but homosexuality has not been accepted in any culture from start to finish. Not one single one. It appears for brief periods, usually at the end of a culture.

In fact, one of the interesting things in the Law is that killing children, bestiality and homosexuality are the three 'abominations' that cause God to end a culture.

As to the idea of a evolutionary 'loophole', you really need to study up on mating behavior. You also have a myopic view of social engineering evolution. Do you really think we are the first culture that tried to control evolution? Yes, we are doing it scientifically in new ways... with corresponding back lashes.

Moreover, no one is denying any relationships. But the word marriage designates one that stands distinct from friendship. At its bare essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior; a male and female, committing for life primarily because of a likely procreated child. Moreover, I gay couple cannot mate, a clear sign of a evolutionary defect.

You might want to look up info on epi-marker discoveries, very likely the cause of homosexuality. I also have cause to be interested in sexual disorders, my name KiMare'a is a play on a genetic chimera. I am also a hermaphrodite. And I have three nipples, hence the tag 'monster mutation'...

I have found that honestly facing who I am has been essential in dealing with my mutations. I would suggest that denying a condition and imposing a imposter relationship on marriage is not a good thing for anyone...

Did you know that social scientists have identified over 200 distinctions in the spectrum between masculinity and femininity. And the that GLBT fall smack dab in the middle at about 4%? That a transexual is probably the exact middle, a body of one gender, but the brain of another? Or a bisexual, in just the mind, that goes either way?
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I have spent a lifetime studying the Bible. I find the continuity between 60 books by 40 authors over hundreds of years amazing. Even more so, is the scientific and prophetic intricacies that permeate it.
Marriage has been present in every single culture in known human history. I hate to say it, but homosexuality has not been accepted in any culture from start to finish. Not one single one. It appears for brief periods, usually at the end of a culture.
In fact, one of the interesting things in the Law is that killing children, bestiality and homosexuality are the three 'abominations' that cause God to end a culture.
As to the idea of a evolutionary 'loophole', you really need to study up on mating behavior. You also have a myopic view of social engineering evolution. Do you really think we are the first culture that tried to control evolution? Yes, we are doing it scientifically in new ways... with corresponding back lashes.
Moreover, no one is denying any relationships. But the word marriage designates one that stands distinct from friendship. At its bare essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior; a male and female, committing for life primarily because of a likely procreated child. Moreover, I gay couple cannot mate, a clear sign of a evolutionary defect.
You might want to look up info on epi-marker discoveries, very likely the cause of homosexuality. I also have cause to be interested in sexual disorders, my name KiMare'a is a play on a genetic chimera. I am also a hermaphrodite. And I have three nipples, hence the tag 'monster mutation'...
I have found that honestly facing who I am has been essential in dealing with my mutations. I would suggest that denying a condition and imposing a imposter relationship on marriage is not a good thing for anyone...
Did you know that social scientists have identified over 200 distinctions in the spectrum between masculinity and femininity. And the that GLBT fall smack dab in the middle at about 4%? That a transexual is probably the exact middle, a body of one gender, but the brain of another? Or a bisexual, in just the mind, that goes either way?
Still waiting for the word that homosexual replaced in bibles in 1946, and why homosexual is a better translation, Genius.

Wow are you stupid.

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I have spent a lifetime studying the Bible. I find the continuity between 60 books by 40 authors over hundreds of years amazing. Even more so, is the scientific and prophetic intricacies that permeate it.
Marriage has been present in every single culture in known human history. I hate to say it, but homosexuality has not been accepted in any culture from start to finish. Not one single one. It appears for brief periods, usually at the end of a culture.
In fact, one of the interesting things in the Law is that killing children, bestiality and homosexuality are the three 'abominations' that cause God to end a culture.
As to the idea of a evolutionary 'loophole', you really need to study up on mating behavior. You also have a myopic view of social engineering evolution. Do you really think we are the first culture that tried to control evolution? Yes, we are doing it scientifically in new ways... with corresponding back lashes.
Moreover, no one is denying any relationships. But the word marriage designates one that stands distinct from friendship. At its bare essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior; a male and female, committing for life primarily because of a likely procreated child. Moreover, I gay couple cannot mate, a clear sign of a evolutionary defect.
You might want to look up info on epi-marker discoveries, very likely the cause of homosexuality. I also have cause to be interested in sexual disorders, my name KiMare'a is a play on a genetic chimera. I am also a hermaphrodite. And I have three nipples, hence the tag 'monster mutation'...
I have found that honestly facing who I am has been essential in dealing with my mutations. I would suggest that denying a condition and imposing a imposter relationship on marriage is not a good thing for anyone...
Did you know that social scientists have identified over 200 distinctions in the spectrum between masculinity and femininity. And the that GLBT fall smack dab in the middle at about 4%? That a transexual is probably the exact middle, a body of one gender, but the brain of another? Or a bisexual, in just the mind, that goes either way?
Genius:
Please prove your assertion that god evolved into Adam.
Please prove your assertion that Adam was evolved, not created.
Please prove your assertion that god is genderless.
Please prove your assertion that 80% of all seafood poisoning is from shellfish.
Please prove your assertion that eve is created in god's image.
Please prove your assertion that radiation caused Moses' face to shine.
Please your assertion that the biblical use of the word 'shine' means 'glow'.
Please prove your assertion that god can reduce radiation exposure by holding out his hand or turning his back.
Please prove your assertion that god is radioactive.
Please prove that homosexual is a better translation for the word that it replaced in bibles in 1946.

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I have spent a lifetime studying the Bible. I find the continuity between 60 books by 40 authors over hundreds of years amazing.
Great, then you should be able to finally answer this:

What ancient Hebrew word is there for homosexual?

One word can't be that hard to find, you made the claim. prove it.

Also, you've conveniently neglected to mention the other historical finds that make some (which one you haven't shared) Bibles more accurate.

Still waiting, again and again and again and again and again and again.....

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Great, then you should be able to finally answer this:
What ancient Hebrew word is there for homosexual?
One word can't be that hard to find, you made the claim. prove it.
Also, you've conveniently neglected to mention the other historical finds that make some (which one you haven't shared) Bibles more accurate.
Still waiting, again and again and again and again and again and again.....
Smile smirk wink waiting
more crickets from the monster mutation.

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I have spent a lifetime studying the Bible. I find the continuity between 60 books by 40 authors over hundreds of years amazing. Even more so, is the scientific and prophetic intricacies that permeate it.
Marriage has been present in every single culture in known human history. I hate to say it, but homosexuality has not been accepted in any culture from start to finish. Not one single one. It appears for brief periods, usually at the end of a culture.
In fact, one of the interesting things in the Law is that killing children, bestiality and homosexuality are the three 'abominations' that cause God to end a culture.
As to the idea of a evolutionary 'loophole', you really need to study up on mating behavior. You also have a myopic view of social engineering evolution. Do you really think we are the first culture that tried to control evolution? Yes, we are doing it scientifically in new ways... with corresponding back lashes.
Moreover, no one is denying any relationships. But the word marriage designates one that stands distinct from friendship. At its bare essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior; a male and female, committing for life primarily because of a likely procreated child. Moreover, I gay couple cannot mate, a clear sign of a evolutionary defect.
You might want to look up info on epi-marker discoveries, very likely the cause of homosexuality. I also have cause to be interested in sexual disorders, my name KiMare'a is a play on a genetic chimera. I am also a hermaphrodite. And I have three nipples, hence the tag 'monster mutation'...
I have found that honestly facing who I am has been essential in dealing with my mutations. I would suggest that denying a condition and imposing a imposter relationship on marriage is not a good thing for anyone...
Did you know that social scientists have identified over 200 distinctions in the spectrum between masculinity and femininity. And the that GLBT fall smack dab in the middle at about 4%? That a transexual is probably the exact middle, a body of one gender, but the brain of another? Or a bisexual, in just the mind, that goes either way?
I admire your commitment to the Bible, although I myself am not religious I always have admiration for those who commit their lives to study.

However I hate to point out that you are wrong about the homosexuality in society part of your argument. There are many societies which have accepted homosexuality. If you take a look at the native americans, many of their tribes had what are known as "two-spirit" relationships, which in our western eyes would appear to be homosexual or lesbian relationships between transgendered individuals. The Romans tolerated homosexuality, if one was discreet about it, and if one was "the man" of the relationship. The Greeks are very well known for accepting homosexuality, in the former half of the 20th century many educated historians refer to homosexuality as "the vice of the Greeks". Some Greek societies even encouraged homosexuality.

Also what about modern day society? In the western world homosexuality is increasingly being seen as normal.

I didn't state that we are "controlling evolution",.I don't think I made the argument very clear though, so i'll try explain myself a little better. My point was that most species have to "fight" for survival, i.e. scavenge food, quickly find a mate, and reproduce to pass on their advantageous characteristics. However, as humans most of us live a comfortable existence where surviving for the next day isn't a pressing matter, particularly for the young and healthy, and considering the fact there is little selection pressure on our species, means that we do not have the same pressing issues to mate for procreation.

I find the fact you are hermaphroditic very interesting, I myself am considered to be transgendered (MTF) by many, La Chapelle's syndrome being the cause.

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I have spent a lifetime studying the Bible.
What a waste of time. You don't seem to have become any wiser.

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I do not wish to be mean, however you do not know anything more than any one else about why each of us finds ourselves alive here on the surface of the planet earth. All of your knowledge comes from a single source, hearsay, which means someone told you and you believed them.

In America we seperate church from state and do not allow the church to make religious laws, well in theory certainly not in practice.

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