Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36038 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.smh.com.au.

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#16290 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are asserting that there is only one way to describe something.
Which word is THE accurate translation of your orientation?
Homosexual
Gay
Pervert
Faggot
Need I go on?
Words transition. Some lose favor while others gain. At a certain point in time, translations acknowledge that transition of words. Later, those words become outdated, and new translations are created.
This happens with all classic literature. Hence you have classics 'written in modern English'. Some are well done and others are not.
The NASB is considered the most 'accurate' translation to date in modern English. It is however, not as 'readable' as others, so translations such as the NIV are more popular.
Maybe you should stick with things you understand, rather than things you hate. It hinders honesty.
Smile.
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are asserting that there is only one way to describe something.
Which word is THE accurate translation of your orientation?
Homosexual
Gay
Pervert
Faggot
Need I go on?
Words transition. Some lose favor while others gain. At a certain point in time, translations acknowledge that transition of words. Later, those words become outdated, and new translations are created.
This happens with all classic literature. Hence you have classics 'written in modern English'. Some are well done and others are not.
The NASB is considered the most 'accurate' translation to date in modern English. It is however, not as 'readable' as others, so translations such as the NIV are more popular.
Maybe you should stick with things you understand, rather than things you hate. It hinders honesty.
Smile.
KiMare,

I am not commenting in defense of anyone with this. I am just comenting on the insincerety and condescension you bring with your erroneous post.

You provide four words to describe a person of same-sex orientation. One is typically clinical in use. The second is often self-descriptive or meant to be used as non-offensive for either male or female. The third is an older description of a mental illness which is realized to be incorrect. The fourth is a pejorative description of a male homosexual.

These four words are all different and are used to describe very differing views toward similar sets of individuals. As words, they do not mean the same thing.

Secondly, you cite the NASB edition of the bible as considered the "most accurate" translation to date. This is not true. The fact that you have written this demonstrates your ignorance of the matter.

"This happens with all classic literature?" I don't think so. The whole point of Fundamentalist/Literalist belief is that the biblical words, meanings and translations are not changed at all. To place them in a category of "classic literature" is to regard them as changed and subject to even more change over time.

Need you go on? Well,... you never really got going in the first place.

As for your advice on sticking with things you supposedly understand, for you I don't recommend it. To gain freedom from a hypocritical view requires something that you are not showing.

Rev. Ken

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#16291 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Greek NASB Number: 733a
Greek Word: &#7936;&#961;&#963 ;&#949;&#957;&#959 ;&#954;&#959;&#805 5;&#964;&#951;&#96 2;
Transliterated Word: arsenokoitês
Root: from 733b and 2845;
Definition: a sodomite:--
List of English Words and Number of Times Used
homosexuals (2). New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
The Old Testament wasn't written in Greek, where is the Hebrew word?
Robsan5

San Leandro, CA

#16292 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are asserting that there is only one way to describe something.
Which word is THE accurate translation of your orientation?
Homosexual
Gay
Pervert
Faggot
Need I go on?
Words transition. Some lose favor while others gain. At a certain point in time, translations acknowledge that transition of words. Later, those words become outdated, and new translations are created.
This happens with all classic literature. Hence you have classics 'written in modern English'. Some are well done and others are not.
The NASB is considered the most 'accurate' translation to date in modern English. It is however, not as 'readable' as others, so translations such as the NIV are more popular.
Maybe you should stick with things you understand, rather than things you hate. It hinders honesty.
Smile.
Wrong again. Oh, and wrong again.
Your list of words that describe my orientation is inaccurate. None describe my sexual orientation. I am straight.
Your orientation, as usual, is stupid.
Let me expand of the good Rev's post:
Homosexual means to be attracted to the same sex (applies to men or women).
Gay typically refers to just male homosexuals.
Pervert refers to anyone (male or female) who engages in deviant sexual practices. The majority of Americans do not consider homosexuality to fall under this category.
Faggot is an insult homophobes like you throw out in a lame attempt to cover up your own homosexual desires.
So they do not mean the same thing, except perhaps in your little mind.

Please provide proof of your claim that the NASB is "the most accurate translation". By whom? Was there a vote? And if the NASB is the most accurate, then obviously all other translations are not the true word of god, right? In fact, if the NASB is only "the most accurate", then it also is not the true word of god.

Snicker Snort.

Robert

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#16293 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The newer versions have incorporated recent finds such as the Dead Sea Scrolls. Also as language changes, old English can be more easily misunderstood.
There are no 'new' assaults on classic Christian doctrine. Just new attempts to justify immorality.
Smile.
LMAO!

I work on the Dead Sea Scrolls in Tel Aviv, I'm one of the ones who allows others to correct their Bibles!!

ONE BOOK of the Bible is contained in these scrolls.

Try the Nag Hammadi Library, I also work on translating those as well as many other less known finds.

LOL at the 'internet scholar' who believes Jews have a radiation gene from meeting an alien on top of a mountain.

Try going to school and getting a REAL education....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#16294 Feb 6, 2013
FACT: the word homosexual was NEVER in the Bible.

Neither was the word verily.

LOL....
Robsan5

San Leandro, CA

#16295 Feb 6, 2013
Oh Genius, still waiting for you to explain what word was replaced by homosexual in 1946, and why homosexual is "more accurate" than the word it replaced.

Snicker Snort.

Robert

Since: May 11

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#16296 Feb 6, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
Oh Genius, still waiting for you to explain what word was replaced by homosexual in 1946, and why homosexual is "more accurate" than the word it replaced.
Snicker Snort.
Robert
Is "queer" the word you are looking for?
While it is now regarded as being pejorative I do think it accurately describes some 2% of the population who cannot relate to the opposite sex.
Robsan5

San Leandro, CA

#16297 Feb 6, 2013
Genius, here are the results of a google search for "most accurate bible":

"The NIV as it is called, is the most often used, the most reliable, and the most often quoted of any of the major translations that are used today."
"The Most Accurate & Honest of all Bible Translations- the NWT"
"Most biblical scholars consider the NRSV (New Revised Standard Version) to be the all around best translation. Although there are a few other decent translations on the market these days, this one is fairly "literal" while maintaining a natural English style, and is the most accurate over all."
"The best single English translation to use to get as close as possible to the exact sense of the original is "The Comparative Study Bible" by Zondervan publishing house in Grand Rapids, Michigan."
"Why the King James Bible is Still the Best and Most Accurate"
"Still, the American Standard remains one of the most accurate of English language versions."

You are stupid.

Snicker Snort.

Robert
Robsan5

San Leandro, CA

#16298 Feb 6, 2013
Ivorydick wrote:
<quoted text>
Is "queer" the word you are looking for?
While it is now regarded as being pejorative I do think it accurately describes some 2% of the population who cannot relate to the opposite sex.
You tell me. The word 'homosexual' was added to the bible in 1946. You'll have to look at a bible written before then to know what word it replaced. But you already knew that, didn't you?

Robert

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16299 Feb 6, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
KiMare,
I am not commenting in defense of anyone with this. I am just comenting on the insincerety and condescension you bring with your erroneous post.
You provide four words to describe a person of same-sex orientation. One is typically clinical in use. The second is often self-descriptive or meant to be used as non-offensive for either male or female. The third is an older description of a mental illness which is realized to be incorrect. The fourth is a pejorative description of a male homosexual.
These four words are all different and are used to describe very differing views toward similar sets of individuals. As words, they do not mean the same thing.
Secondly, you cite the NASB edition of the bible as considered the "most accurate" translation to date. This is not true. The fact that you have written this demonstrates your ignorance of the matter.
"This happens with all classic literature?" I don't think so. The whole point of Fundamentalist/Literalist belief is that the biblical words, meanings and translations are not changed at all. To place them in a category of "classic literature" is to regard them as changed and subject to even more change over time.
Need you go on? Well,... you never really got going in the first place.
As for your advice on sticking with things you supposedly understand, for you I don't recommend it. To gain freedom from a hypocritical view requires something that you are not showing.
Rev. Ken
What condensation and insincerity?

I simply make a point that words shift and change, or different words are used describing the same thing, hence different translations. Nothing you said changes that fact.

I used an example that related to the participants. That is simply a wise example. I'm sorry you don't like it.

I disagree with your opinion about the NASB, and so do most Christian scholars.

The intent of the most popular translations is to accurately translate the Bible from manuscripts, not re-write the message. They often leave both liberal and conservative believers upset about something.

You make my point about hatred.

Again.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16300 Feb 6, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Old Testament wasn't written in Greek, where is the Hebrew word?
That wasn't the question.

I answered the question. Go back and look at it.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#16301 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are asserting that there is only one way to describe something.
Which word is THE accurate translation of your orientation?
Homosexual
Gay
Pervert
Faggot
Need I go on?
Words transition. Some lose favor while others gain. At a certain point in time, translations acknowledge that transition of words. Later, those words become outdated, and new translations are created.
This happens with all classic literature. Hence you have classics 'written in modern English'. Some are well done and others are not.
The NASB is considered the most 'accurate' translation to date in modern English. It is however, not as 'readable' as others, so translations such as the NIV are more popular.
Maybe you should stick with things you understand, rather than things you hate. It hinders honesty.
Smile.
Robsan5 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again. Oh, and wrong again.
Your list of words that describe my orientation is inaccurate. None describe my sexual orientation. I am straight.
Your orientation, as usual, is stupid.
Let me expand of the good Rev's post:
Homosexual means to be attracted to the same sex (applies to men or women).
Gay typically refers to just male homosexuals.
Pervert refers to anyone (male or female) who engages in deviant sexual practices. The majority of Americans do not consider homosexuality to fall under this category.
Faggot is an insult homophobes like you throw out in a lame attempt to cover up your own homosexual desires.
So they do not mean the same thing, except perhaps in your little mind.
Please provide proof of your claim that the NASB is "the most accurate translation". By whom? Was there a vote? And if the NASB is the most accurate, then obviously all other translations are not the true word of god, right? In fact, if the NASB is only "the most accurate", then it also is not the true word of god.
Snicker Snort.
Robert
Hardly, you have shown time and time again you are sooooo gay.

As to my word example, you make my point. Perspective chooses different words. All of those words are used by different people to describe homosexuals. The better translations recognize this, and conduct translations in a group.

On occasion, a single individual does, such as the 'Message' translation. People knowing the translator trust his work, but also describe it as a 'paraphrase' because the focus is on readability, not accuracy

Do your own research on the NASB.

Most people would use 'pervert' to describe you.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16302 Feb 6, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO!
I work on the Dead Sea Scrolls in Tel Aviv, I'm one of the ones who allows others to correct their Bibles!!
ONE BOOK of the Bible is contained in these scrolls.
Try the Nag Hammadi Library, I also work on translating those as well as many other less known finds.
LOL at the 'internet scholar' who believes Jews have a radiation gene from meeting an alien on top of a mountain.
Try going to school and getting a REAL education....
I said,'SUCH AS the Dead Sea scrolls'.

I did so, because most people are familiar with them.

Judging from your comprehension shown so far, I really doubt you work on translating anything. if you do, you should be fired.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16303 Feb 6, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
FACT: the word homosexual was NEVER in the Bible.
Neither was the word verily.
LOL....
Here we go again...

That's because they were written in Hebrew and Greek. Homosexual is an English word.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#16304 Feb 6, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
Genius, here are the results of a google search for "most accurate bible":
"The NIV as it is called, is the most often used, the most reliable, and the most often quoted of any of the major translations that are used today."
"The Most Accurate & Honest of all Bible Translations- the NWT"
"Most biblical scholars consider the NRSV (New Revised Standard Version) to be the all around best translation. Although there are a few other decent translations on the market these days, this one is fairly "literal" while maintaining a natural English style, and is the most accurate over all."
"The best single English translation to use to get as close as possible to the exact sense of the original is "The Comparative Study Bible" by Zondervan publishing house in Grand Rapids, Michigan."
"Why the King James Bible is Still the Best and Most Accurate"
"Still, the American Standard remains one of the most accurate of English language versions."
You are stupid.
Snicker Snort.
Robert
http://www.apbrown2.net/web/TranslationCompar...

Proof your hatred is equal to your stupidity.

Smirk smile.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#16305 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
What condensation and insincerity?
Lordy, child. Condensation is something you get on your toilet tank in the summer or on your windows in the winter.
Condescension is you thinking that you're superior to others (as in 99.9% of your posts).
Inner lesbian vagina is trying to help you, but you simply refuse to listen.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#16306 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Judging from your comprehension shown so far, I really doubt you work on translating anything. if you do, you should be fired.
Smile.
Have you ever noticed that anyone who disagrees with you has a "comprehension" problem?

I don't comprehend how you can have a perfectly good vagina, yet you refuse to use it. Can we PLEASE buy a dildo and give it whirl? I'm thinking that the wifey could bang us like a screen door in a hurricane. You might even be ready for anal after that.

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#16307 Feb 6, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
What's the matter Blue Bottle Fly?
Tongue stuck in another cowpie?
Blue Bottle Fly?

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#16308 Feb 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Here we go again...
That's because they were written in Hebrew and Greek. Homosexual is an English word.
Smirk.
Smirk all you like. It won't help you to be any closer to right than you were before.

Now you are trying your best to back out of your previous erroneous statements. No can do. You already displayed your problems with the truth of the matter.

Robsan is exactly right in his assessment of your posts.

And, yes, MiddleWay is a bonafide biblical scholar. But, you wouldn't be able to figure out if he is or is not, anyway. Your mind is closed.

See ya.

Rev. Ken
Hindu Guy

UK

#16309 Feb 6, 2013
Homosexual's are ALWAY'S trying to assault me sexually
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