Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36055 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.smh.com.au.

Since: Apr 12

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#15811 Jan 12, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
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Poor little monkey. You have no willpower to fight against "your" OCD/ADHD. How sad.
Roberta/Robsana (just keep clapping those cymbals together, little monkey boy!)
You think it is sad. How can you handle your sadness?

Since: Apr 12

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#15812 Jan 12, 2013
Not for RevKen:

Okay guys, RevKen seems to struggle quite hard in here with control-issues; How to handle that?

I pray for RevKen, I lay him in Your Hands Lord Jesus. Amen

Since: Apr 12

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#15814 Jan 12, 2013
Not for RevKen:

RevKen might struggle quite hard with control-issues. That might stem from inner insecurity? Lack of self-acceptance?

Lord Yeshua, I pray for him. I lay him in Your hands. Amen.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#15816 Jan 13, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
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I can only dream of being as funny as you.
"A sunburn is a form of radiation."
"The sun is a form of radiation."
That is funny shit!
You are funny. Sadly stupid, but funny.
Robert
I'll have to check my Jewish DNA again to see if we have a special 'radiation enhancing' gene.....

Since: Apr 12

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#15817 Jan 13, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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I'll have to check my Jewish DNA again to see if we have a special 'radiation enhancing' gene.....
There is no jewish gene because everybody can convert to judaism.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#15818 Jan 13, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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I'll have to check my Jewish DNA again to see if we have a special 'radiation enhancing' gene.....
You apparently were one of the Jews afraid of 'sunburn'.

Snicker.
Besixdouze

Springfield, MO

#15819 Jan 13, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... and then you decided to cite biblical passages that were all from the Old Testament?
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What we today call homosexuality IS condemned from Leviticus 18 to Romans 1 and beyond.
And if idolatry is the only sin, homosexuality is the sin of self-worship: narcissism.
There was no understanding of human sexuality as an orientation during the times in which the Bible was written, nor were there understandings about a great many things we know to be true today thanks to science and technology. If you're going to pull out Leviticus to condemn homosexuality, you may as well use it to condemn those who eat shrimp or wear clothes woven of more than one fabric. It never fails to intrigue me how so many "Christians" will dive into the Bible, ignoring other verses, caring nothing for context, only to cherry pick a verse to condemn gay people. I once saw a thug on the news who had Leviticus's prohibition against men as "the lyings of a woman" (Hebrew translation) tattooed on his arm. If he'd only bothered to read further, he might find it pertinent to learn that Leviticus also condemns tattoos and piercings.

At the heart of this issue is that Jesus constantly challenged Pharisees for their legalism because they had thrown love out the window. Jesus's teaches us that love supercedes law and constantly turned cultural expectations on their heads. Anti-gay "Christians" to me look more like the Pharisees than Jesus. As long as we cast our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters to the margins, the more they will lie prone to discrimination, hatred and violence. And that blood is on our hands if we're complicit in it. Years from now, we'll be looking back on this issue in the same way we looked on previous issues of equality. We will wonder how we ever drew such hateful biblical interpretations, just as we scorn interpretations of the Bible people once fully embraced that justified women's disenfranchisement, slavery, segregation, miscegenation and the slaughtering of natives.

Exclusion and embrace. That is the Christian story. I hope we as Christians can prophetically put and end to exclusion and facilitate the embrace.

I'm shocked by the flagrant hatred coming out of fellow Christians and that they do not hesitate to speak from ignorance. The following organizations agree that there is *no* evidence to suggest that one's sexuality can be changed, but a great deal to suggest that any attempts to do so (i.e. "praying away the gay") will not only be fruitless but seriously psychologically damaging: American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the American Academy of Physician Assistants. And for those who say, "Let's condemn gay and lesbian people to a life of celibacy," recall that a) celibacy is a special calling b) in the book of Genesis the only thing God deems "not good" is for a human being to be alone.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#15820 Jan 13, 2013
Besixdouze wrote:
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There was no understanding of human sexuality as an orientation during the times in which the Bible was written, nor were there understandings about a great many things we know to be true today thanks to science and technology. If you're going to pull out Leviticus to condemn homosexuality, you may as well use it to condemn those who eat shrimp or wear clothes woven of more than one fabric ...
Even the Episcopal church canons agree that though the ceremonial laws of Leviticus are not binding upon today's Christians, its Holiness Code of morality still applies.
Besixdouze

Springfield, MO

#15821 Jan 13, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Even the Episcopal church canons agree that though the ceremonial laws of Leviticus are not binding upon today's Christians, its Holiness Code of morality still applies.
Do these canons hound people to make sure they're not eating bloody rare steaks (Lev. 13, 19)? How shall we sacrifice a fellowship offering to the Lord in the year 2013 (Lev. 19)? Do people protest farmers who plant two different crops side by side as virulently as they do gay marriage (Lev. 19)?

All these and more are considered part of the Holiness Code, which tattoos and piercings fall under--Leviticus 17-26.
Robsan5

United States

#15822 Jan 13, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You apparently were one of the Jews afraid of 'sunburn'.
Snicker.
He could be right, Middle! You better ask the alien to turn his back or at least hold out his hand. Those are both well-known ways to avoid radiation exposure.
KickMe, you're funny. So stupid, but funny.

Robert
Robsan5

United States

#15824 Jan 13, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Even the Episcopal church canons agree that though the ceremonial laws of Leviticus are not binding upon today's Christians, its Holiness Code of morality still applies.
If the laws are not binding, then what actually "still applies"?
I googled "holiness code of morality" and couldn't get an exact match.

Robert

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#15825 Jan 13, 2013
Besixdouze wrote:
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There was no understanding of human sexuality as an orientation during the times in which the Bible was written, nor were there understandings about a great many things we know to be true today thanks to science and technology. If you're going to pull out Leviticus to condemn homosexuality, you may as well use it to condemn those who eat shrimp or wear clothes woven of more than one fabric. It never fails to intrigue me how so many "Christians" will dive into the Bible, ignoring other verses, caring nothing for context, only to cherry pick a verse to condemn gay people. I once saw a thug on the news who had Leviticus's prohibition against men as "the lyings of a woman" (Hebrew translation) tattooed on his arm. If he'd only bothered to read further, he might find it pertinent to learn that Leviticus also condemns tattoos and piercings.
At the heart of this issue is that Jesus constantly challenged Pharisees for their legalism because they had thrown love out the window. Jesus's teaches us that love supercedes law and constantly turned cultural expectations on their heads. Anti-gay "Christians" to me look more like the Pharisees than Jesus. As long as we cast our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters to the margins, the more they will lie prone to discrimination, hatred and violence. And that blood is on our hands if we're complicit in it. Years from now, we'll be looking back on this issue in the same way we looked on previous issues of equality. We will wonder how we ever drew such hateful biblical interpretations, just as we scorn interpretations of the Bible people once fully embraced that justified women's disenfranchisement, slavery, segregation, miscegenation and the slaughtering of natives.
Exclusion and embrace. That is the Christian story. I hope we as Christians can prophetically put and end to exclusion and facilitate the embrace.
I'm shocked by the flagrant hatred coming out of fellow Christians and that they do not hesitate to speak from ignorance. The following organizations agree that there is *no* evidence to suggest that one's sexuality can be changed, but a great deal to suggest that any attempts to do so (i.e. "praying away the gay") will not only be fruitless but seriously psychologically damaging: American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the American Academy of Physician Assistants. And for those who say, "Let's condemn gay and lesbian people to a life of celibacy," recall that a) celibacy is a special calling b) in the book of Genesis the only thing God deems "not good" is for a human being to be alone.
No understanding of sexuality? How ignorantly arrogant.

Did you know that while shellfish are only 20% of the fish eaten TODAY, they are the cause of 80% of seafood poisoning? In Biblical times shellfish were considered a aphrodisiac. Except for the Hebrews. Please explain how they knew the danger without 'science and technology'? Especially since you didn't even know.

Your ignorance of the Laws is also exposed by not understanding the types and purposes of the Law.

Please explain how the Jewish culture is the longest surviving culture with the most profound impact today of any culture in history? Just as the Alien predicted on the mountain when He gave the Law.

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#15826 Jan 13, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You apparently were one of the Jews afraid of 'sunburn'.
Snicker.
Robsan5 wrote:
<quoted text>
He could be right, Middle! You better ask the alien to turn his back or at least hold out his hand. Those are both well-known ways to avoid radiation exposure.
KickMe, you're funny. So stupid, but funny.
Robert
Mocking an ancient unenlightened description of radiation protection doesn't address the implication. It just shows you are childishly afraid of the answer.

Snicker.
Robsan5

United States

#15827 Jan 13, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You apparently were one of the Jews afraid of 'sunburn'.
Snicker.
<quoted text>
Mocking an ancient unenlightened description of radiation protection doesn't address the implication. It just shows you are childishly afraid of the answer.
Snicker.
Mocking you is pure entertainment.
You are funny. World-class stupid, but funny.
Snort.
Robert
Robsan5

United States

#15829 Jan 13, 2013
Sorry, I forgot:
You are funny. OMG stupid, but funny.

Robert

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#15830 Jan 13, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
<quoted text>
Mocking you is pure entertainment.
You are funny. World-class stupid, but funny.
Snort.
Robert
What do you think is funny about him?

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#15831 Jan 13, 2013
Robsan5 wrote:
<quoted text>
Mocking you is pure entertainment.
You are funny. World-class stupid, but funny.
Snort.
Robert
What do you think is funny? I can't see it. Can you be specific? Can you tell about what excactly you think is funny?
Rhys

Pekin, IL

#15832 Jan 13, 2013
Besixdouze wrote:
<quoted text>
There was no understanding of human sexuality as an orientation during the times in which the Bible was written, nor were there understandings about a great many things we know to be true today thanks to science and technology. If you're going to pull out Leviticus to condemn homosexuality, you may as well use it to condemn those who eat shrimp or wear clothes woven of more than one fabric. It never fails to intrigue me how so many "Christians" will dive into the Bible, ignoring other verses, caring nothing for context, only to cherry pick a verse to condemn gay people. I once saw a thug on the news who had Leviticus's prohibition against men as "the lyings of a woman" (Hebrew translation) tattooed on his arm. If he'd only bothered to read further, he might find it pertinent to learn that Leviticus also condemns tattoos and piercings.
At the heart of this issue is that Jesus constantly challenged Pharisees for their legalism because they had thrown love out the window. Jesus's teaches us that love supercedes law and constantly turned cultural expectations on their heads. Anti-gay "Christians" to me look more like the Pharisees than Jesus. As long as we cast our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters to the margins, the more they will lie prone to discrimination, hatred and violence. And that blood is on our hands if we're complicit in it. Years from now, we'll be looking back on this issue in the same way we looked on previous issues of equality. We will wonder how we ever drew such hateful biblical interpretations, just as we scorn interpretations of the Bible people once fully embraced that justified women's disenfranchisement, slavery, segregation, miscegenation and the slaughtering of natives.
Exclusion and embrace. That is the Christian story. I hope we as Christians can prophetically put and end to exclusion and facilitate the embrace.
I'm shocked by the flagrant hatred coming out of fellow Christians and that they do not hesitate to speak from ignorance. The following organizations agree that there is *no* evidence to suggest that one's sexuality can be changed, but a great deal to suggest that any attempts to do so (i.e. "praying away the gay") will not only be fruitless but seriously psychologically damaging: American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the American Academy of Physician Assistants. And for those who say, "Let's condemn gay and lesbian people to a life of celibacy," recall that a) celibacy is a special calling b) in the book of Genesis the only thing God deems "not good" is for a human being to be alone.
It sounds like you've never read the Bible. Condemnations and prohibitions against all homosexual behavior are found in the plainest of language and in both Testaments. The Book of Acts will also explain to you why it is now OK to eat shrimp.

Since: Aug 09

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#15833 Jan 13, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
No understanding of sexuality? How ignorantly arrogant.
Did you know that while shellfish are only 20% of the fish eaten TODAY, they are the cause of 80% of seafood poisoning? In Biblical times shellfish were considered a aphrodisiac. Except for the Hebrews. Please explain how they knew the danger without 'science and technology'? Especially since you didn't even know.
Your ignorance of the Laws is also exposed by not understanding the types and purposes of the Law.
Please explain how the Jewish culture is the longest surviving culture with the most profound impact today of any culture in history? Just as the Alien predicted on the mountain when He gave the Law.
Snicker.
Dear Snicker-doodle,

What makes you think that the Jewish culture is the longest surviving culture - under ANY definition?

The Priest-King, Melchizedek, represented a long extant Holy Order, fully recognized as the apex of authority within the tribal culture of Abraham and his fellow city-state kings.

But, there are now known to have been others, much older and ancient.

We are aware of established societies near Azerbaijan with firmly established religious practices dating to the end of the Ice Age, nearly 11,000 years ago.

But, more than that, into antiquity, the tribal cultures of southeast Asia and the Island archipelago of Indonesia all the way to the continent of Australia show sophisticated belief systems beyond 40,000 years ago.

The same goes for the tribal cultures of the French-Spanish escarpment containing the highly decorated caves, dating to 25,000-40,000 years ago. These are the precursors to modern European cultures.

How old are the Greek and Phonecian belief systems? For sure, at least as old as the mythical Atlanteans, the precursors of the sophisticated belief systems that spread into ancient Egypt.

What about the Sumeriasns, recognized for the first system of written language - as presently known - to have existed at least 6,500 years ago, long before the identity of the Jews is known to be recorded.

How about the Tamil Coast of the Indian subcontinent? This may be the granddaddy of them all and the point of origin of the modern Hindu.

You are full of rancid baloney, Mr. Alien-abducted Kimare.

Rev. Ken

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#15834 Jan 13, 2013
"Sumerians" (please excuse any other misspelling),

at plus or minus 6,000 BC and pre-Semitic.

Indus Valley and into the steppes of the Caucasus, Azerbaijan, plus or minus 9,000 to 11,000 BC.

Central Mediterranean island-nations, traders, the Atlanteans of Phonecia; sophisticated at plus or minus 8,000 BC.

It was these from which the modern, historical Priest-Kings such as Melchizedek, drew their theology, accumulated knowledge and remembrances of tribal roots.

Genetic sequencing now shows humanity to have migrated out of Rift Valley Africa near 100,000 years ago.

Rev. Ken

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