Homosexuality and the Bible

Aug 15, 2011 | Posted by: Selecia Jones- JAX FL | Full story: www.smh.com.au

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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The stories of Ruth and Naomi, David and Jonathan, Daniel and Ashpenaz, all support love between people of the same sex ...
Love, but not sex between people of the same sex; in the Greek translation, "eros" never appears in the Bible.
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Romans 1:24-32

"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

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... and then you decided to cite biblical passages that were all from the Old Testament?
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What we today call homosexuality IS condemned from Leviticus 18 to Romans 1 and beyond.
And if idolatry is the only sin, homosexuality is the sin of self-worship: narcissism.
"Body Theology", a book by James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary, New Brighton, MN. Deals with both heterosexual and homosexual issues. William Coffin, Pastor Emeritus, Riverside Church of New York, says "For all pastors, counselors, and especially Church members who are silent, timid, or negative about sexuality "Body Theology" is a godsend." Nelson calls Christian Homophobia a sin from Jewish through Christian times due to the false understandings. What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers."

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Romans 1:24-32
"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
This passage condemns lust and other relationships where harming another is involved. It does not address love and commitment between equals.
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Please note that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin. The biblical definition of abomination is that it is a sin (Leviticus 20:25,26.) Nor was the sin of Sodom, homosexuality (Ezekiel 16:46-51.) All other passages referring to Sodom and Gomorrah refer to Ezekiel's take on the sin of Sodom. Fornication refers to pedophilia, temple sex. Adultery was about women as property. Marriage, not biblical, was a civil union from the beginning. It was not important to the Catholic Church until the Council of Trent; approximately, 1450 AD. With Judaism, marriage was a contract. Genesis says nothing about marriage. Marriage was not an ancient Hebrew word and neither was wife. Genesis also spoke of Lamech taking two women. Ever consider that mankind was set up to fail if Eve did not have sex with her sons. Incest was necessary if man was to multiply as commanded. No, God does not tell us what is marriage. The Bible only speaks of marriage. I taught my kids to be responsible with everything they do including sex. I also taught them that there are consequences with everything they do. Jesus speaks the same wisdom. You lay you pay. What is honorable and what is righteous. What is justice. What then is what moral. Nothing immoral about homosexuality.
Hebrews 13:4. Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Ephesians 5 speaks of a marrage between a man and his wife. Paul speaks of the Church comparing it with a marrage between a man and a woman.
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This passage condemns lust and other relationships where harming another is involved. It does not address love and commitment between equals.
No where will you find in the scriptures addressing love and commitment between equals!! That's called sex and lust!

You can't prove those acts by the scriptures. In heaven there will be no marriage nor given in marriage.(Matthew 22:30)

Romans 1:24-32 Read the whole chapter, Paul is talking about both the Jews and the Greeks (Gentiles), both were concluded under sin and both without excuse. Romans 1:20. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
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No where will you find in the scriptures addressing love and commitment between equals!! That's called sex and lust!
You can't prove those acts by the scriptures. In heaven there will be no marriage nor given in marriage.(Matthew 22:30)
Romans 1:24-32 Read the whole chapter, Paul is talking about both the Jews and the Greeks (Gentiles), both were concluded under sin and both without excuse. Romans 1:20. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.
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Christianity is nothing more than a bunch of lies and contradictions piled on top of each other. Jesus and the bible preach about love and tolerance, but his mindless lemmings we call worshippers bring about wars to make others believe in him. God gives us free will, but he forces you to follow him or else burn forever in hell.
Christianity has done nothing more than hold our country's progress back with laws and orders, telling we can't do this, but can only do that. According to the bible, you're suppose to stone your relatives to death for joining another religion. According to the bible, women are nothing more than objects for men. Why aren't you enforcing the bible you zealots punch so much? "WE ARE, WE HATE FAGS"
And if you're one of the lemmings who think gay people are going to burn in hell for having FREE WILL and a right to practice what they want and like, you're no more than a fool, and it'll be people like you who'll be judged by your beloved invisible man when its your time.
I agree with you nearly completely but when you say homosexuality is a choice that is simply not true it is entirely biological. And if these bible bashers believe homosexuality is sinfull in the eyes of god than why would he create gays and lesbians?
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Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.
Hi Barack, it is a fact that God created woman to be a help meet for the man, to be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. God's plan has always been for men to keep his laws. God is the potter and we are the clay. Sin is against God's ways! Jesus said, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." (Matthew 6:25).

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I agree with you nearly completely but when you say homosexuality is a choice that is simply not true it is entirely biological. And if these bible bashers believe homosexuality is sinfull in the eyes of god than why would he create gays and lesbians?
People choose to be gay or lesbians! God made man from the dust of the earth and he took a rib from man and made woman and told them to multiply. To have eternal life we have to suffer in the flesh (inward man's desires). This fleshly mind we have is contrary to God, and it lusts to it's own desires, therefore, it is not subject to Gods law, and it's deeds will never please him.(Romans 8:5); (Gal.5:17).

The KJV says it this way: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Look the words up!

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People choose to be gay or lesbians! God made man from the dust of the earth and he took a rib from man and made woman and told them to multiply. To have eternal life we have to suffer in the flesh (inward man's desires). This fleshly mind we have is contrary to God, and it lusts to it's own desires, therefore, it is not subject to Gods law, and it's deeds will never please him.(Romans 8:5); (Gal.5:17).
The KJV says it this way: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Look the words up!
All this still relies heavily on your interpretation. Not all religious scholars, leaders, or believers agree with your interpretations, which rely on ancient verses that have been mistranslated and misinterpreted as they have been passed down, reflecting the bias of the translators.

“There is a significant and growing consensus among biblical scholars about the few biblical texts that are often referenced as the basis for condemning same-gender loving people of God. Contemporary biblical scholarship argues strongly against this condemnation and finds a much more significant Gospel message that supports the inclusion of LGBT persons into the full life and mission of the church.”(From “Message Concerning the Open and Affirming, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Ministries of the United Church of Christ.”)

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DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
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All this still relies heavily on your interpretation.
LIE DETECTOR!!!

The Bible condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms. There is no room for honest misunderstanding.

No ancient text, legitimate translation, or major Judeo-Christian tradition places this reality in question. It stands for eternity.

The declining UCC Cult has leadershit that has chosen to depart from the Word of God. Many UCC congreations ignore this anti-Bible nonsense. In fact, only about 10% are 'open and affirming.'

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Matthew 7:12,: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Galatians 5:14: The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it:'Love your neighbor as yourself. The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."

Mark 12:30-31: And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Luke 6:31: Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 10:27: He answered:“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’c; and,‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

Romans 8-10: Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments,“Do not commit adultery,”“Do not murder,”“Do not steal,”“Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule:“Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Romans 12-10: Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.

Romans 13-10: Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Leviticus 19:18: You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

and 19:34: But the stranger that dwells with you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.


John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

1 John 4:21: And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

James 2:8: But if you keep the greatest law of all, as it is given in the holy Writings, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself, you do well:

Everyone agrees on what these passages are saying, while the meaning of the ones commonly used to justify harming gay people are not universally agreed upon and generate much conflict, pain, suffering, and death.


Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2-1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

James 4:11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
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Most people who start these topics are "christians". If you were so Christ like then you wouldn't be judging homosexuals. No one answers to anyone but god himself. Sure the bible says you'll go to hell for it but it also says that about disobedience and aldutery and pretty much any other sin for that matter. Why does our lives have to effect you? It doesn't and it doesn't make us any less of a person. If you can't accept and love all then you're in the wrong just as much as you claim we are. I love the LGBT community. Some of the most trustworthy people you can meet.
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All this still relies heavily on your interpretation. Not all religious scholars, leaders, or believers agree with your interpretations, which rely on ancient verses that have been mistranslated and misinterpreted as they have been passed down, reflecting the bias of the translators.
“There is a significant and growing consensus among biblical scholars about the few biblical texts that are often referenced as the basis for condemning same-gender loving people of God. Contemporary biblical scholarship argues strongly against this condemnation and finds a much more significant Gospel message that supports the inclusion of LGBT persons into the full life and mission of the church.”(From “Message Concerning the Open and Affirming, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Ministries of the United Church of Christ.”)
The Bible teaches only "one faith"! And it is up to each and every one of us to read and study to know what that "one faith" is. This one faith comes from hearing the word of God.

Ephesians 4:4-6 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
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Apostle Paul to the Church at Corinth. No where have I read of any commandment to homosexuality. Read 1 Corinthians 7.

The Church at Corinth had wrote to Paul about a man and woman concerning sex and marriage. Paul said: "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

Paul says: "Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."

Here Paul speaks to the unmarried and widows, but he speaks by permission, and not by commandment. "For I would that all men were even as I myself. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."

Paul to the married woman and married man: "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife."

Paul to virgins: "Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful."

Paul to the "Church", "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

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Joe DeCaro wrote:
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What we today call homosexuality IS condemned from Leviticus 18 to Romans 1 and beyond.
And if idolatry is the only sin, homosexuality is the sin of self-worship: narcissism.


You see, Joe, the OT qualifies the NT and Jesus' pronouncement of the heart is his knowledge of the OT.

What you call homosexuality is NOT condemned in the Bible unless you do a literal reading of the Bible. When your literalist, most personal interpretation of the Bible condemns homosexuality, you are pronouncing over God's Word a false prophesy; it is your idolatry.

If by homosexuality you are referring to sex then you are ignoring agape. What you are really saying is that sex is not to be enjoyed. Why is it that homosexuals cannot be love each other?

In all instances of sex in the Bible, what is of concern is the morality or, lack of morality. This is not some piestic, fundamentalist portrayal of their moralistic religion that is being condemned in the Bible. Morality is about how we treat each other, what is justice. Laws governing your moralistic, judgmental, prejudiced condemnation of others is not Christian. Christianity is not moralistic.
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I'm not trying to start an arguement but we aren't all going to hell because we've all sined. We have to ask God for his forgiveness and he will forgive us. He wipes your slate clean and gives you a chance to start over. Why is it so hard for people to believe in God? The bible is a historical piece of literature. You believe in the holacaust don't you? The bible has more proof and backing than any other historical document. What is there to debate over??
no i don't belive in the holacaust..i belive that one day in 5 miljon years the sun will die and expand about 100x and swallow us..but by then man would have destroy the earth so we will already be dead.

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Amt013 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not trying to start an arguement but we aren't all going to hell because we've all sined. We have to ask God for his forgiveness and he will forgive us. He wipes your slate clean and gives you a chance to start over. Why is it so hard for people to believe in God? The bible is a historical piece of literature. You believe in the holacaust don't you? The bible has more proof and backing than any other historical document. What is there to debate over??
Funny stuff. Now explain the "more proof and backing than any other historical document." Muhammad and Jesus claimed god contacted them. So they were basically seeing imaginary thing as real. I think there's a mental disease for that.

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