Homosexuality and the Bible

Homosexuality and the Bible

There are 36060 comments on the www.smh.com.au story from Aug 15, 2011, titled Homosexuality and the Bible. In it, www.smh.com.au reports that:

Given the ongoing debate about same-sex marriage, it is time I looked at the two Testaments to remind myself why belief is so hard for me to embrace.

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#24684 Jan 28, 2014
Karen wrote:
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You should also remember, many, many top Nazis were Roman Catholic.
In WWII, in Croatia, the Catholic based Ustasha, unleashed a bloodbath against Serbs, Muslims, and others who were not Catholic. Their methods were so appalling, it shocked even the Nazis
Men are never so efficient as when they are killing in the name of their "God:.
To those who defend religion, go read your history. It is written in the blood of millions.
Unfortunately,... so true.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#24685 Jan 28, 2014
Karen wrote:
I am not a hateful, ignorant bigot.
But many so-called Christians are.
You have nothing to refute what I say, except for name-calling and innuendo, and selective cherry-picking to criticize what I say.
I have the evidence of history. Care to refute that?
Religion has and continues to be the greatest con job ever pulled on humanity. The Catholic Church is absolutely one of the most evil institutions on the planet. Their history is written in blood, as much as any despotic regime, including the Nazis. The evil men do, lives long after the perpetrators are dead and gone.
By the way, Al Capone ran soup kitchens in Chicago, during the Great Depression. Do those "good deeds" mitigate all of his other transgressions against his fellow man? By your accounting, it does.
Then validate your claims.
Karen

Lake Zurich, IL

#24686 Jan 28, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Then validate your claims.
History has already validated what I have said, you blockhead. I'm not going to rehash 4000 years of religiously inspired mayhem and murder, just for your edification Go do do your investigation, get you mind out of your Bible, and your head out of your ass..

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#24687 Jan 28, 2014
Karen wrote:
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History has already validated what I have said, you blockhead. I'm not going to rehash 4000 years of religiously inspired mayhem and murder, just for your edification Go do do your investigation, get you mind out of your Bible, and your head out of your ass..
I'm talking about Mother Teresa and TV evangelist Billy Graham.

You know that and are once again backtracking.

Put up or shut up.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#24688 Jan 28, 2014
Karen wrote:
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History has already validated what I have said, you blockhead. I'm not going to rehash 4000 years of religiously inspired mayhem and murder, just for your edification Go do do your investigation, get you mind out of your Bible, and your head out of your ass..
Gosh, today Christians all over the world sacrificed and served. Many even gave their lives in that process. You call that mayhem and murder?

That is beyond blonde honey, it is simply hateful, bigoted ignorance.
Karen

Lake Zurich, IL

#24689 Jan 28, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Gosh, today Christians all over the world sacrificed and served. Many even gave their lives in that process. You call that mayhem and murder?
That is beyond blonde honey, it is simply hateful, bigoted ignorance.
Gosh, today Christians MAY be doing what they should have done for 2000 years. Maybe some even gave their lives in that process. And that forgives the last 1950 years of the travesty you so admire. Such ignorance from those who will not recognize the evils that have been committed in the name of your make-believe God.
It's like when Bin Laden was killed and the President stated, "justice has been done.". Really? Are you kidding? The life of one religious wackjob for the 3000 who were murdered? Yeah. That evens the score. Only people like you can look into a pile of shit and see gold. You are pathetic. And you still need to take a remedial course in world history. Talk about hateful, bigoted ignorance. You're the poster child.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#24690 Jan 28, 2014
Karen wrote:
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You should also remember, many, many top Nazis were Roman Catholic.
In WWII, in Croatia, the Catholic based Ustasha, unleashed a bloodbath against Serbs, Muslims, and others who were not Catholic. Their methods were so appalling, it shocked even the Nazis
Men are never so efficient as when they are killing in the name of their "God:.
To those who defend religion, go read your history. It is written in the blood of millions.
I have read a lot of it. The Spanish Inquisition alone was shocking enough.
:-(

Even today, a lot of wars are actually religious disputes. The media just doesn't like to report them that way.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#24691 Jan 28, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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I'm talking about Mother Teresa and TV evangelist Billy Graham.
You know that and are once again backtracking.
Put up or shut up.
Smile.
Try reading Hitchens' book about Mother Teresa, called The Missionary Position. It tells a different story about her.

Maybe that will give you a break from being a useless hateful bigoted troll, dumb as a bucket of rocks.

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#24692 Jan 28, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I'm ashamed that he's my countryman.
:-(
Esp when he was caught out making all those racist remarks.
In my experience he's a typical hetero Aussie-American mix. Very 1950s U.S..

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#24693 Jan 29, 2014
akopen wrote:
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It is called Fascism.
Why is it that Americans have lost what history teaches us all?
Exactly! And authoritarians love it and call it the American way while claiming that democracy brought us this great joy. But in reality democracy is a nightmare and the criminals in Washington are using democracy to destroy our Republic so they can have more power over us and take more of our money.

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#24694 Jan 29, 2014
SHADOW wrote:
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G-d
G-d means God damned.

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#24695 Jan 29, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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2. What's wrong with going to church on Sunday?
Nothing except it is the WRONG day!

Except for some sabbatarian groups such as the Seventh-Day Adventists, biblicists don't go to church on the correct day. Saturday, not Sunday is the Sabbath. There is no substantive biblical support for calling Sunday--the first day of the week--the Sabbath. As the text says, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work...." (Ex. 20:8-10, Deut. 5:12-14).

Moreover, the prohibition against labor on the Sabbath is regularly violated since work occurs on every day of the week. With respect to labor, it wouldn't matter what day was the Sabbath. Apologist Gleason Archer stated in The Encyclopedia of Biblical Difficulties (p. 116-121) that several facts seem to teach that Sunday replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. He sought to justify the change by alleging:

(a) Jesus rose on Sunday;
(b) Jesus' first appearance to his disciples after the Resurrection was on Sunday;
(c) The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Church first occurred on a Sunday Pentecost;
(d) Paul told the Corinthian church to put aside money and save on the first day of the week so that no collection would be needed when he arrived (1 Cor. 16:20);
(e) Paul spoke to a group of Christians until midnight on a Sunday (Acts 20:5-12); and
(f) The Lord's Day in Rev. 1:10 ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet") referred to Sunday.

Problems accompany each explanation.
(a) Jesus rose on Sunday, but died on a Friday. His death was certainly as important as his Resurrection, if not more so. So why wasn't the Sabbath transferred to Friday?;
(b) and (C) Why would the fact that Jesus first appeared to his disciples on Sunday or the Holy Spirit first fell on the church on Sunday be of such significance as to overrule God's commandment that the seventh day was to be the Sabbath? They are rather weak reeds to lean on, especially when Archer admits that, "After Pentecost it seems that the Christian community continued to celebrate the seventh-day Sabbath as before, by gathering with other Jews (both converted and unconverted) for the reading of the Torah, for preaching, and for prayer" (Ibid. p. 117). He immediately tried to regain his loss by stating, "But there is no demonstable reference to Christians ever gathering on the Sunday Sabbath to celebrate the Lord's Supper or to hold a distinctively Christian assembly" (Ibid. p. 117). But, then, where is the evidence that they regularly gathered on Sunday to celebrate the Lord's Supper or hold distinctively Christian assemblies?;
(D) and (E) 1 Cor. 16:2 and Acts 20:5-12, or delivering a sermon on Sunday evening hardly warrant changing the Sabbath; and
(F) Archer's final contention that the Lord's Day in Rev. 1:10 is Sunday relies upon extra-biblical sources and is wholly unconvincing.
When all is said and done, the basic question remains. Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#24696 Jan 29, 2014
Karen wrote:
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Gosh, today Christians MAY be doing what they should have done for 2000 years. Maybe some even gave their lives in that process. And that forgives the last 1950 years of the travesty you so admire. Such ignorance from those who will not recognize the evils that have been committed in the name of your make-believe God.
It's like when Bin Laden was killed and the President stated, "justice has been done.". Really? Are you kidding? The life of one religious wackjob for the 3000 who were murdered? Yeah. That evens the score. Only people like you can look into a pile of shit and see gold. You are pathetic. And you still need to take a remedial course in world history. Talk about hateful, bigoted ignorance. You're the poster child.
Oh please, be specific about how many people Christians have killed in the last 1950 years. If it has been so prolific, it should be easy.

I keep asking you to be specific, and you just keep dumbing down of bigoted hateful claims.

Put up or shut up.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#24697 Jan 29, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I have read a lot of it. The Spanish Inquisition alone was shocking enough.
:-(
Even today, a lot of wars are actually religious disputes. The media just doesn't like to report them that way.
Wow, WWII and the Inquisition. Two events that violate historic Catholic doctrine and where more Christians died than anyone else. That is the best you can do???

LOL.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#24698 Jan 29, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Try reading Hitchens' book about Mother Teresa, called The Missionary Position. It tells a different story about her.
Maybe that will give you a break from being a useless hateful bigoted troll, dumb as a bucket of rocks.
http://www.catholicleague.org/christopher-hit...

Just a note, I'm not Catholic.

Moreover, there is no difference between judging all gays by a gay parade, and judging all Catholics by a few ancient events and the criticism of someone who hates Catholics. You demean your cause by this hateful bigotry.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#24699 Jan 29, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Wow, WWII and the Inquisition. Two events that violate historic Catholic doctrine and where more Christians died than anyone else. That is the best you can do???
LOL.
It's all I can bother with for a loser like you. YAWN!

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#24700 Jan 29, 2014
snyper wrote:
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In my experience he's a typical hetero Aussie-American mix. Very 1950s U.S..
From what I read about the documentaries you provided about life before Stonewall, exactly right. We're more advanced than that generation...I hope.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#24701 Jan 29, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Wow, WWII and the Inquisition. Two events that violate historic Catholic doctrine and where more Christians died than anyone else. That is the best you can do???
LOL.
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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It's all I can bother with for a loser like you. YAWN!
LOL, it's all you can do, period.

Two blondes make a half wit.

Smirk.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#24702 Jan 29, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Wow, WWII and the Inquisition. Two events that violate historic Catholic doctrine and where more Christians died than anyone else. That is the best you can do???
LOL.
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LOL, it's all you can do, period.
Two blondes make a half wit.
Smirk.
That would be you and your good wife. Or was it the bimbo you're screwing behind her husband's back?

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#24703 Jan 29, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Nothing except it is the WRONG day!
Except for some sabbatarian groups such as the Seventh-Day Adventists, biblicists don't go to church on the correct day. Saturday, not Sunday is the Sabbath. There is no substantive biblical support for calling Sunday--the first day of the week--the Sabbath. As the text says, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work...." (Ex. 20:8-10, Deut. 5:12-14).
Moreover, the prohibition against labor on the Sabbath is regularly violated since work occurs on every day of the week. With respect to labor, it wouldn't matter what day was the Sabbath. Apologist Gleason Archer stated in The Encyclopedia of Biblical Difficulties (p. 116-121) that several facts seem to teach that Sunday replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. He sought to justify the change by alleging:
(a) Jesus rose on Sunday;
(b) Jesus' first appearance to his disciples after the Resurrection was on Sunday;
(c) The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Church first occurred on a Sunday Pentecost;
(d) Paul told the Corinthian church to put aside money and save on the first day of the week so that no collection would be needed when he arrived (1 Cor. 16:20);
(e) Paul spoke to a group of Christians until midnight on a Sunday (Acts 20:5-12); and
(f) The Lord's Day in Rev. 1:10 ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet") referred to Sunday.
Problems accompany each explanation.
(a) Jesus rose on Sunday, but died on a Friday. His death was certainly as important as his Resurrection, if not more so. So why wasn't the Sabbath transferred to Friday?;
(b) and (C) Why would the fact that Jesus first appeared to his disciples on Sunday or the Holy Spirit first fell on the church on Sunday be of such significance as to overrule God's commandment that the seventh day was to be the Sabbath? They are rather weak reeds to lean on, especially when Archer admits that, "After Pentecost it seems that the Christian community continued to celebrate the seventh-day Sabbath as before, by gathering with other Jews (both converted and unconverted) for the reading of the Torah, for preaching, and for prayer" (Ibid. p. 117). He immediately tried to regain his loss by stating, "But there is no demonstable reference to Christians ever gathering on the Sunday Sabbath to celebrate the Lord's Supper or to hold a distinctively Christian assembly" (Ibid. p. 117). But, then, where is the evidence that they regularly gathered on Sunday to celebrate the Lord's Supper or hold distinctively Christian assemblies?;
(D) and (E) 1 Cor. 16:2 and Acts 20:5-12, or delivering a sermon on Sunday evening hardly warrant changing the Sabbath; and
(F) Archer's final contention that the Lord's Day in Rev. 1:10 is Sunday relies upon extra-biblical sources and is wholly unconvincing.
When all is said and done, the basic question remains. Where does the Bible specifically and clearly change the Sabbath to Sunday?
Whatever. I don't really care. The Bible is unreliable in so many ways.

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