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CO Baker Found Guilty for Denying Gay Couple Wedding Cake - May Face a Year in Jail

There are 16413 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Dec 8, 2013, titled CO Baker Found Guilty for Denying Gay Couple Wedding Cake - May Face a Year in Jail. In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Gay activists protest the Masterpiece Cakeshop in 2012. Owner Jack Phillips now faces charges for not baking a cake for the gay couple.

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#4640 Jan 14, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
Many religious sects now perform gay marriages.
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Really? First time hearing that. Thanks for taking the time to let us all know. Too bad it isn't on the news or in any topix discussion.

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#4641 Jan 14, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
Bakeries have genders?
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You'll write anything to cause dissension.

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#4642 Jan 14, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
Almost credible, given the obvious LSD-related flaws in your posts.
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There was no mention of LSD in any of my testimony, NONE! I sued the San Francisco Chronicle for writing that and they gave me $1,000 to go away. That is in 1972 money.

Just goes to show that those who write newspaper articles are more interested in selling newspapers then they are in accuracy.

I met Herbert in a Christian group I was invited to, as was he, and neither of us wanted to go to Muir Woods with the Christians so we walked from 39th and Geary Blvd. all the way down town. It was a great walk. It was like a year later that his attorney asked to appear in court.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#4644 Jan 14, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
The law doesn't allow for discrimination based on some nebulous religious feeling. There is nothing against baking a cake in any sect's tenets. You can't just say it's against your religion; you have to prove that it is.
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You'll have to do better than that. Let's say some kids are going to have a party and they go into a bakery and ask the gay baker to bake a cake that says,'Fag for a Day' with visuals you may find offensive? Should the gay baker be required to bake the cake?

No one should have to prove anything about their religious convictions....but alas......the country has become hostile towards those who have traditional and conservative ideas. I think they should enjoy the same rights as homosexuals.

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#4645 Jan 14, 2014
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>You'll have to do better than that. Let's say some kids are going to have a party and they go into a bakery and ask the gay baker to bake a cake that says,'Fag for a Day' with visuals you may find offensive? Should the gay baker be required to bake the cake?
No one should have to prove anything about their religious convictions....but alas......the country has become hostile towards those who have traditional and conservative ideas. I think they should enjoy the same rights as homosexuals.
If our Comrades are consistent they will have to answer yes, a gay baker should be forced to write anti-gay slogans on a cake if asked to do so. But you know they would not believe it, they just say it so they do not look as stupid as they are.

Why not find a gay owned t-thirt and ask them to make you one that says GOD HATES FAGS on it and see if they will do it. Maybe ask them how much it costs to see if they will print you one.

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#4646 Jan 14, 2014
One day a nun got into a cab. The cab driver, noticing she was a nun, and asked her if she would ever have sex. After she had thought about it for a while she said "Well, yeah I would have sex with a man if he had never been married, did not have any kids and went to church every Sunday." So the cab driver said "What do you know, I don't have any kids, never been married and I go to church every Sunday!" So he asked her if she would have sex with him and she agreed as long as he would take her from behind. So they had sex and afterward the cab driver said "Ha ha, I have six kids, I've been married three times and I've never been to church a day in my life!!" And the nun pulled off her mask and said "Ha ha, I'm a gay man going to a costume party!"

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#4649 Jan 14, 2014
"""We do not print hate speech and would be unable to print these shirts for you."""

What if the bigot Baker said to the gay couple:

We do not bake gay wedding cakes and would be unable to bake a cake for you.

Oh wait he did.

cpeter are you going to have this gay owned t-shirt company arrested for refusing me service?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#4650 Jan 14, 2014
If the kids are minors; no, because an order for a cake is a contract and minors can't enter into contracts, nor can he legally present them with obscene visuals even at their own request.. Adults, on the other hand, would have to be accommodated...PRESUMING the bakery was in an area with a nondiscrimination law in place.

Of course you have to prove a religious tenet if you are using it to flout the law. Even if you can, it still may not absolve you pf guilt. The classic example is that devout jews are to be at home and ready for the seder by sundown. If something happens to delay them, they cannot ignore traffic laws to make up for lost time.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>You'll have to do better than that. Let's say some kids are going to have a party and they go into a bakery and ask the gay baker to bake a cake that says,'Fag for a Day' with visuals you may find offensive? Should the gay baker be required to bake the cake?
No one should have to prove anything about their religious convictions....but alas......the country has become hostile towards those who have traditional and conservative ideas. I think they should enjoy the same rights as homosexuals.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#4651 Jan 14, 2014
I would have neither the authority nor jurisdiction to do so, Little Lord Fucleroy. BTW--hate speech is a grey area in such cases and can also be construed to be harassment of the business owner.

You could probably form better arguments if you had gotten an education, learned how the law works, and grown the hell up somewhere along the way.
Reverend Alan wrote:
"""We do not print hate speech and would be unable to print these shirts for you."""
What if the bigot Baker said to the gay couple:
We do not bake gay wedding cakes and would be unable to bake a cake for you.
Oh wait he did.
cpeter are you going to have this gay owned t-shirt company arrested for refusing me service?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#4652 Jan 14, 2014
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. From what I read, the baker sold his goods to everyone gay or straight up until the point he was asked to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The baker should have the right to decline on the basis of his religious convictions just as he should have the right to decline baking a cake for skin heads, pornographers, pedophiles or nazis.
Ah, so I see. He had ZERO problem shoving gay dollars into his pockets as long as they didn't admit out loud as to who they were. That makes him the biggest hypocrite alive.

Either he bans ALL gays out of his precious stores, or allows everyone inside. Just like the bible, you and he pick and choose ONLY the rules that you like.

I guess he stones non virgin brides to death who enter his store, since it's IN THE BIBLE, in Leviticus, right next to the man with man passage you all love so much. Or does he IGNORE bible rules? He's going to hell for sure.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#4653 Jan 14, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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If our Comrades are consistent they will have to answer yes, a gay baker should be forced to write anti-gay slogans on a cake if asked to do so. But you know they would not believe it, they just say it so they do not look as stupid as they are.
Why not find a gay owned t-thirt and ask them to make you one that says GOD HATES FAGS on it and see if they will do it. Maybe ask them how much it costs to see if they will print you one.
That's hate speech. I hardly think preparing a joyous wedding cake can be compared.

Staples will print t-shirts for people and I doubt if they'd print that either.

Try Westboro Baptist, they seem to show up in shirts that read that slogan.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#4654 Jan 14, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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I walked into a gay bar with my girlfriend and they would not serve me.
You need to learn the difference between a right and a privilege granted via law.
How would you like to be forced to serve someone you didn't like?
Have you ever worked in the service industry? Is it good for business for women to be served in a gay meat rack bar? Gays love discrimination as much as the next person.
Oh, get real. I've been to plenty of hard core bars in my time and I doubt it a woman would even be interested in entering. However, I HAVE seen women in some of the tough bars with their gay pals, but not more than once or twice. You will not find ME in a sports bar on Super Bowl Sunday, I'd be so bored I'd die. It simply does NOT interest me, as most women would agree about a full on leather bar.

I do recall the bad old days of gay discrimination, but not since about 1978 or so. I guess you are still pissed about something that happened during Carter's presidency.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#4655 Jan 14, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
If the kids are minors; no, because an order for a cake is a contract and minors can't enter into contracts, nor can he legally present them with obscene visuals even at their own request.. Adults, on the other hand, would have to be accommodated...PRESUMING the bakery was in an area with a nondiscrimination law in place.
Of course you have to prove a religious tenet if you are using it to flout the law. Even if you can, it still may not absolve you pf guilt. The classic example is that devout jews are to be at home and ready for the seder by sundown. If something happens to delay them, they cannot ignore traffic laws to make up for lost time.
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For someone who is always attempting to tell strangers how smart you are..........that IQ of yours is hitting a new low. I was referring college kids who usually have offensive theme parties. Didn't think I needed to draw you a picture. Your analogy is another fail because refusing to bake a cake because it goes against ones religious beliefs has nothing to do with endangering people on the road in order to get home before sundown for a religious ritual.
incredulous

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#4656 Jan 14, 2014
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, so I see. He had ZERO problem shoving gay dollars into his pockets as long as they didn't admit out loud as to who they were. That makes him the biggest hypocrite alive.
Either he bans ALL gays out of his precious stores, or allows everyone inside. Just like the bible, you and he pick and choose ONLY the rules that you like.
I guess he stones non virgin brides to death who enter his store, since it's IN THE BIBLE, in Leviticus, right next to the man with man passage you all love so much. Or does he IGNORE bible rules? He's going to hell for sure.
It seems to me the baker didn't have a problem serving gays and yet you still want to bitch about it. I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding what I pick and choose from the Bible.'I' have nothing to do with the baker's beliefs.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#4657 Jan 15, 2014
Seahawks won't sell tickets to anyone with a CA address, Broncos won't sell tickets to Pat's fans. Reminds me of a baker in CO. It seems businesses can be selective.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#4658 Jan 15, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
This is about the double standards of cpeter.
cpeter wants the right to discriminate against people who don't like being groped in gay bars, Yet he insists that Bakers don't have the right to discriminate against those who do things his bigotry do not approve of.
Why can cpeter throw me out of a gay bar but a baker can't throw a gay couple out of his business?
Alan, methinks the lady doth protest too much. If you don't like the bar, don't go. One's personal decision not to patronize a business is not under the control of the business, just as the other patrons are not under the control of the business.

The business deciding to withhold service is absolutely under the control of the business.

If you don't see the difference, than you are far dumber than I have credited you with being.

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#4659 Jan 15, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
I would have neither the authority nor jurisdiction to do so,[insults snipped] hate speech is a grey area in such cases and can also be construed to be harassment of the business owner.
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You missed the point, the discrimination that you exercised against me is exactly the same as the discrimination the baker exercised and exactly what the t-shirt company exercised and it is the NORMAL response when one does not want to do something one does not agree with.

You enjoy disrupting normal behavior and forcing your idea of how people should behave by making it illegal for them to behave exactly the way you behave.

Why can't you just come out and admit it? Your behavior provides example after example and I am just trying to bring it all together into a bottom line kind of statement, and I have to guess you see how bad it is what you are doing that you refuse to admit that you advocate what you advocate.

Forcing you will onto other people makes you look bad. We all know it. So why not admit that you want the freedom to decide who goes into your business but you do not want other people to have the same freedom. Anti-discrimination laws do not work for you, but you want them forced on people you do not approve of, in this case, bigots who refuse to support gay marriage.

Two thousand gay men are going to be murdered by homophobic closet cases this year and you do not see how you inflame the homophobic closet cases?

You believe forcing bigots to bake wedding cakes makes the world better for gays and I am telling you that it makes it worse.

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#4660 Jan 15, 2014
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text> That makes him the biggest hypocrite alive.
You know who I would pick as the biggest hypocrite alive! The guy who tells me to stay out of gay bars and wants the baker arrested for telling gays to stay out of his bakery.

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#4661 Jan 15, 2014
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>That's hate speech. I hardly think preparing a joyous wedding cake can be compared.
Staples will print t-shirts for people and I doubt if they'd print that either.
Try Westboro Baptist, they seem to show up in shirts that read that slogan.
Can you accept that not everyone sees things exactly the way that you do? While you and I find the idea of a gay wedding cake, joyous, the Baker considers it an abomination, an insult to his religion. He is wrong of course, but in America you can believe and do wrong things.

You believe a gay wedding is a wonderful thing and the baker does not. I am saying that you should not force the baker to do something he does not want to do. Because if bakers can be forced to bake cakes then t-shirt companies can be forced to print t-shirts.

Just look at all the bigots wearing GOD HATES FAGS t-shirts at military funerals, do you think they wear them because they believe that you are right and they are wrong?

You think they are wrong and they think you are wrong.

Can you think of no way to live together in peace? Why is your only solution the use of force, forcing people to serve customers they do not approve of and do not want to do business with.

It is YOUR idea of what is right, but it is not the bigots idea of what is right, and in America we each are entitled to our own opinion of what is right and wrong. Before cpeter tries to twist that into something it is not, let me qualify it by saying that one is NOT free to violate the rights of others. You are free to have your gay wedding and the bigot baker must be free to chose not to support it by baking the wedding cake.

cpeter tells me to stay out of gay bars, the t-shirt company refuses to print certain messages and the baker refuses to bake gay wedding cakes.

That is how people behave. Because everyone does it we have to call it normal. Normal does not mean nice. It is not nice for cpeter to tell me to stay out of gay bars, yet he does so. And then complains when bigots refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings.

I know you want there to be a difference so you can justify getting in the bakers face but there isn't really any difference. Each of of has the right to discriminate and when you send the government in to make things fair, what ever fair is, the situation always gets worse.

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#4662 Jan 15, 2014
Curteese: Oh, get real. I've been to plenty of hard core bars in my time and I doubt it a woman would even be interested in entering.

ALAN: This is not about what women are interested in, this is about gay boy bars refusing to let women in. I assert they have the right to do so.

Curteese: However, I HAVE seen women in some of the tough bars with their gay pals, but not more than once or twice.

ALAN: And that means what? That occasionally women are not discriminated against?

Curteese: You will not find ME in a sports bar on Super Bowl Sunday, I'd be so bored I'd die. It simply does NOT interest me, as most women would agree about a full on leather bar.

ALAN: And you will not find me in a bigot bakers bakery ordering a gay wedding cake.

Curteese: I do recall the bad old days of gay discrimination, but not since about 1978 or so. I guess you are still pissed about something that happened during Carter's presidency.

ALAN: Gays are still discriminated against to this day. Two thousand will be murdered this year by homophobic closet cases quoting the Bible. And you really think putting a bigot baker in prison for a year for refusing to bake a gay wedding cake helps the gay rights movement?

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