Gay marriage normal now, says Clegg

Oct 24, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Hampshire Chronicle

Gay marriage already feels normal and matter of fact, Nick Clegg said tonight as he was presented with an award for helping to push through the controversial reforms.

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Show me. The APA took homosexuality out of their book, that's it.
I have read the official statement of many others and not one of them says homosexuality is normal or not an illness. They push understanding, nothing more.
From a "Q&A" pamphlet on the APA website:

"Q: Is homosexuality a mental
disorder?

A: No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior
and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality."

http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/sorientat...

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Awww. Thanks for the hate. Hetrophobes.

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Awww. Thanks for the hate. Hetrophobes.
We don't hate heterosexuals. Jeez... almost all of our friends and family are straight.

We hate ignorance. And morons like you.

I have absolutely no problem being called a hater when the object deserves it. You deserve it.

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Really? Quote one major medical or psychological organization in the world that views homosexuality as a physical or mental illness and provide a link.
Even Russia and China no longer consider homosexuality an illness.
Go ahead…well wait.
Russia is a toss up.

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Awww. Thanks for the hate. Hetrophobes.
Hmmm..... I've never met a gay person who was interested in denying straight folks the ability to legally marry simply because they find their sexual orientation icky.
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In a couple more years the headline will read "Pedophilia normal now..."

Mark my words. This gay crap is paving the way.

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In a couple more years the headline will read "Pedophilia normal now..."
Mark my words. This gay crap is paving the way.
Keep your fantasies to yourself, freak...
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From a "Q&A" pamphlet on the APA website:
"Q: Is homosexuality a mental
disorder?
A: No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior
and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality."
http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/sorientat...
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How would that satisfy me? I already said the APA was the only exception.
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Since there is no evidence that homosexuality is a disorder, the AMA officially opposes so-called treatments or therapies that assume it is.
"Our AMA... opposes, the use of "reparative" or "conversion" therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation."
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/about-ama/our...
They oppose treatment because gays don't want it. They don't say that homosexuality is normal or not a disorder.
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Jerald wrote:
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1. The American Psychiatric (not Psychological) Association:
"Is Homosexuality A Mental Disorder?
No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder."
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2. "Whereas homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general or vocational capabilities, the APA calls on all...
1. " All major professional mental health organizations" That narrows it down, doesn't it?
2. None of that rules out a disorder. All it says is that homosexuals can function in society, I don't disagree.

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They oppose treatment because gays don't want it. They don't say that homosexuality is normal or not a disorder.
The AMA is OPPOSED to any type of REPARATIVE therapy or anything like that because one's SEXUAL ORIENTATION is INNATE and CAN NOT be CHANGED......that right there should tell you it's NOT a mental illness......it's just who one is.......and being Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual is AS normal as being straight is!!!

It has NOTHING to do with whether or not Gays or Lesbians want or don't want to change......some folks just are idiots when they are given that which they asked for and then still decide to ignore the information!!!

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They oppose treatment because gays don't want it. They don't say that homosexuality is normal or not a disorder.
Please name one major medical or psychological organization in the world that views homosexuality as a physical or mental disorder.

We'll wait.

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Wondering wrote:
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Show me the one where the AMA says it isn't. There isn't one. You claim they all say homosexuality isn't an illness, show me one besides the APA. They, AMA members, have to put on their compassionate hat so that gays will be less stigmatized by their disorder and it won't keep them from seeking the medical attention they need.
I've asked for this list before when someone makes your claim and each time your side failed to produce one. Not much different than counting indifference as support for gay marriage.

The ICD-10 is the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (10th revision) and is published by the World Health Organization. It's reference manual that classifies and assigns codes for all diseases, including their signs and symptoms, abnormal findings, complaints, social circumstances, and external causes of injury or diseases.

The US, via the The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), has developed a clinical modification extension of the the ICD-10 called the ICD-10-CM. All hospitals and medical practitioners in the US are required to use the ICD-10-CM to classify and code the diagnosis of health complaints related to patient encounters and for both statistical analysis and billing purposes.

Neither of these comprehensive reference guides, which are intended to be inclusive of all known diseases and disorders, contain a diagnostic code for homosexuality (or heterosexuality or bisexuality for that matter). The reason being sexual orientation is a component of human sexuality and homosexuality is a normal variant of sexual orientation.

Of course no amount of evidence or authoritative pronouncement will ever convince uneducated bigots like you, so by all means continue your desperate assertion of stupidity and conspiracy theory caliber arguments to claim otherwise. The sad reality, however, is your obvious detachment from and inability to accept this reality IS symptomatic of several actual disorders contained within the ICD-10 and ICD-10-CM. Rather than spending your time spewing vitriol about the "abnormality" of gays, your time would be better spent seeking professional medical help for your own abnormalities.

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Wondering wrote:
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They oppose treatment because gays don't want it. They don't say that homosexuality is normal or not a disorder.
They oppose treatments that consider homosexuality a disorder. What more do you want? It's not a disorder. If it was a disorder, they wouldn't oppose treatment.

You can try to wrap this in any way you like, you're still not going to find a major medical, scientific, or psychological/psychiatric professional organization that considers homosexuality a psychiatric disorder or a medical abnormality.

And it's kind of humorous to see you try to turn any perceived lack of evidence into a claim of affirmative evidence. It's classic self-delusion.

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1. " All major professional mental health organizations" That narrows it down, doesn't it?
2. None of that rules out a disorder. All it says is that homosexuals can function in society, I don't disagree.
If you're trying to make the affirmative claim that homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder or medical abnormality, then the burden is on you to support that claim.

Feel free to do so. We have established that you won't get any affirmative support from any of the major medical, scientific, or psychological/psychiatric professional organizations.

So perhaps the assertion is just yours and NARTH, then?
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If you're trying to make the affirmative claim that homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder or medical abnormality, then the burden is on you to support that claim.
Feel free to do so. We have established that you won't get any affirmative support from any of the major medical, scientific, or psychological/psychiatric professional organizations.
So perhaps the assertion is just yours and NARTH, then?
Are you serious? You think it's normal for a man to be sexually turned on by another man? A woman by a woman? What would happen to mankind if everyone were gay? I'm not judging you or trying to change your mind. Have at it. Try to convince me that it's normal, that burden is on you. If you are successful I'll support gay marriage.
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They oppose treatments that consider homosexuality a disorder. What more do you want? It's not a disorder. If it was a disorder, they wouldn't oppose treatment.
You can try to wrap this in any way you like, you're still not going to find a major medical, scientific, or psychological/psychiatric professional organization that considers homosexuality a psychiatric disorder or a medical abnormality.
And it's kind of humorous to see you try to turn any perceived lack of evidence into a claim of affirmative evidence. It's classic self-delusion.
They oppose treatment because they want to be gay. You can try to wrap this in any way you like, you're still not going to find a major medical, scientific, or psychological/psychiatric professional organization, other than the Gay-PA, that says homosexuality isn't a psychiatric disorder or a medical abnormality.
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Neither of these comprehensive reference guides, which are intended to be inclusive of all known diseases and disorders, contain a diagnostic code for homosexuality (or heterosexuality or bisexuality for that matter).
Neither of them say that homosexuality isn't a disorder. You won't find any that do.
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Please name one major medical or psychological organization in the world that views homosexuality as a physical or mental disorder.
We'll wait.
Except for the APA, show me one that doesn't. You can't. It is you that claims every "major medical or psychological organization in the world" views homosexuality as normal. Show me. You can't. They don't.

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Are you serious? You think it's normal for a man to be sexually turned on by another man? A woman by a woman? What would happen to mankind if everyone were gay? I'm not judging you or trying to change your mind. Have at it. Try to convince me that it's normal, that burden is on you. If you are successful I'll support gay marriage.
It is NORMAL for a Gay man to be attracted to another man and it is NORMAL for a Lesbian to be attracted to women, just as it is NORMAL for a straight man to be attracted to a straight woman!!!

The "WHAT IF" scenario is not viable because it is NOT realistic in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!!!

Yes, you ARE judging Gays and Lesbians......and have been doing it for at least 5 years......and it matters NOT if you believe or think it's normal.....the fact remains it is and NO ONE has to convince you of ANYTHING!!!

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