Gay marriage normal now, says Clegg

Oct 24, 2013 Full story: Hampshire Chronicle 362

Gay marriage already feels normal and matter of fact, Nick Clegg said tonight as he was presented with an award for helping to push through the controversial reforms.

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Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#83 Oct 27, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
Here is what YOU posted:
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1 Corinthians 6:9> Know yee not that the vnrighteous shall not inherite the kingdome of God? Be not deceiued: neither fornicatours, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselues with mankinde,
Homosexuality is addressed here: "nor abusers of themselves with mankind."

Also pertinent:

1 Corinthians 7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Nothing there about letting every man have his own husband.
That also addresses homosexuality.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#84 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Homosexuality is addressed here: "nor abusers of themselves with mankind."
..........
That's quite a stretch, don't you think? Not a single mention of being attracted ONLY to the same gender. Being gay certainly isn't abuse of one's self, and gay women definitely aren't doing anything inappropriate with MANkind.

Perhaps that's why this one was historically thought to be about masturbation. Since straight folks are as likely to do that as gay folks, that's probably why the shift in interpretation happened.

Is't always MUCH easier to be against things that can never affect YOU. I mean, just look at how easily Christian denominations gloss over the actual words of Jesus when it comes to divorce and remarriage, and try to twist those into anti-gay marriage condemnations.

It's ridiculous, isn't it? But common.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#85 Oct 27, 2013
Archiebunker wrote:
The entire concept of gay marriage is totally retarded.
Normal, mentally healthy people know this.
.....
The polls show differently. Most normal mentally healthy people just aren't as frightened and sexually insecure as you are.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#86 Oct 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
That's quite a stretch, don't you think? Not a single mention of being attracted ONLY to the same gender.
Just for you:
"let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

Again, there is nothing there about letting every man have his own husband or letting every woman have their own wife.

Genesis 9:7
King James Version
7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply

Try that with your same sex partner.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#87 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Homosexuality is addressed here: "nor abusers of themselves with mankind."
Also pertinent:
NOTHING in the bible is PERTINENT with regards to our laws or Government.....plain and simple!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#88 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Again NOTHING in the bible is PERTINENT with regards to our laws or Government.....plain and simple!!!

Gays and Lesbians are NOT required to go forth and multiply, anymore that heterosexual are......and some simply CAN'T!!!

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#89 Oct 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>If you Google it and read for a bit, it seems that while not prevalent, there were still polygamous Jews after the time of Christ, and some early Christians as well - likely those polygamous Jews that accepted Christ, and new Christians from areas that allowed the practice.
That's what I thought.

:)
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#90 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Homosexuality is addressed here: "nor abusers of themselves with mankind."
That is NOT US; sugar. We're LGBT
.
"Abusers of themselves with mankind" is BDSM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM
Virgin First Fruit

Alpharetta, GA

#91 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
King James Version
7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply
1. YOU multiply
.
2. We're fruitful
.
Right here:(for the umpteenth time; lol)
.
Only gay men will make it to heaven
.
They will only be redeemed from among men, and they have to be the first fruits
.
Men who have sex with women won't get in
++++++++++
Revelation 14:1> And I looked, and loe, a Lambe stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundreth fourty and foure thousand, hauing his Fathers Name written in their foreheads.
.
Revelation 14:2> And I heard a voice from heauen, as the voice of many waters, and as the voyce of a great thunder: and I heard the voyce of harpers, harping with their harpes.
.
Revelation 14:3> And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the foure beasts, and the Elders, and no man could learne that song, but the hundreth and fourtie and foure thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
.
Revelation 14:4> These are they which were not defiled with women: for they are virgines: These are they which follow the Lambe whithersoeuer hee goeth: These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits vnto God, and to the Lambe.
.
Revelation 14:5> And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
++++++++++
.
I suppose by now you have figured out why gay guys are called 'fruits'?
.
Well this is it!
.
So it behooves you to stop trying to get us to defile ourselves with women; and rob us of our trolley ride to glory

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#92 Oct 28, 2013
Archiebunker wrote:
The entire concept of gay marriage is totally retarded.
Normal, mentally healthy people know this.
Trying to explain this to a liberal is like trying to explain to a "homeless" person that he should not crawl around the ground picking up dog poop to eat it.
Or, telling a liberal not to try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Or, trying to explain that Obama is not black, he is a mulatto. He was the son of a Mau Mau and born in Kenya to a ultrafeminist coal burner.
Or, trying to explain to a telemarketer that you really do not need a walrus cleaning kit because you live in a condo and do not own a pet walrus.
And where did you earn your degrees in mental health?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#93 Oct 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Just for you:
"let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
Again, there is nothing there about letting every man have his own husband or letting every woman have their own wife.
Genesis 9:7
King James Version
7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply
Try that with your same sex partner.
And why should we listen to Saul?

Of all the rules, the hypocrites apply to themselves only the most pleasant, and to others the most restrictive.
beers

Oswego, IL

#94 Oct 30, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>The polls show differently. Most normal mentally healthy people just aren't as frightened and sexually insecure as you are.
The Stonewall 2012 Survey discovered that 3% of gay men and 5% of bisexual men had attempted to take their own life, compared to only 0.4% of men in general. In the 16- to 24-year-old age group, 6% of gay and bisexual men had attempted to take their own life compared to less than 1% of men in general.
Some fine mentally healthy folks ya got there.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#95 Oct 31, 2013
beers wrote:
<quoted text>
The Stonewall 2012 Survey discovered that 3% of gay men and 5% of bisexual men had attempted to take their own life, compared to only 0.4% of men in general. In the 16- to 24-year-old age group, 6% of gay and bisexual men had attempted to take their own life compared to less than 1% of men in general.
Some fine mentally healthy folks ya got there.
Be that way.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#96 Oct 31, 2013
beers wrote:
<quoted text>
The Stonewall 2012 Survey discovered that 3% of gay men and 5% of bisexual men had attempted to take their own life, compared to only 0.4% of men in general. In the 16- to 24-year-old age group, 6% of gay and bisexual men had attempted to take their own life compared to less than 1% of men in general.
Some fine mentally healthy folks ya got there.
And you don't think that their surroundings at that time has ANYTHING to do with that? Being gay was all but a criminal act. Gay kids were routinely abused, harassed, tossed out on the streets, or subjected ever failing attempts to cure them, or pray the gay away. Gay men were jailed for having consensual sex.

Geesh.

And you seem to be forgetting women all together.

Can you prove that, if raised with the same care, and surrounded by the same acceptance as straight youth, that gay kids would not have the same stats as they do?

And can you prove that straight kids subjected to the same toxic environments would NOT have the same stats as the gay youth?

That's the POINT.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#97 Oct 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Just for you:
"let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
Again, there is nothing there about letting every man have his own husband or letting every woman have their own wife.
Genesis 9:7
King James Version
7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply
Try that with your same sex partner.
Nothing preventing it, either. Really, this seems to be more against adultery, don't you think? Because at the time that this was written, many Jews were polygamous. The men had MANY wives, if they had the resources.

And you are saying that the Bible forbids infertile couples from legally marrying, and condemns the marriages of those who choose not to have kids?

That's just nasty.

Fortunately, your religious beliefs are your own, and cannot be forced on others.
beers

Oswego, IL

#98 Oct 31, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>And you don't think that their surroundings at that time has ANYTHING to do with that? Being gay was all but a criminal act. Gay kids were routinely abused, harassed, tossed out on the streets, or subjected ever failing attempts to cure them, or pray the gay away. Gay men were jailed for having consensual sex.

Geesh.

And you seem to be forgetting women all together.

Can you prove that, if raised with the same care, and surrounded by the same acceptance as straight youth, that gay kids would not have the same stats as they do?

And can you prove that straight kids subjected to the same toxic environments would NOT have the same stats as the gay youth?

That's the POINT.
Just saying if the gays were so mentally fit as you said they are, they wouldn't be offing themselves, or trying to so often. But hey facts are facts.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#99 Oct 31, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Homosexuality is addressed here: "nor abusers of themselves with mankind."
Also pertinent:
1 Corinthians 7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
Nothing there about letting every man have his own husband.
That also addresses homosexuality.
Do you know which pages have the dragons, unicorns, and satyrs? Or where the guidelines for slavekeeping are?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#100 Oct 31, 2013
beers wrote:
Just saying if the gays were so mentally fit as you said they are, they wouldn't be offing themselves, or trying to so often. But hey facts are facts.
These are KIDS you're talking about. They're vulnerable, especially when their loved ones and role models are berating them, telling them they're not loved, they're not worth anything, they're wrong, they're broken. It doesn't take as much as you might think for a person in a position of authority to destroy the spirit of a child who trusts them.
beers

Oswego, IL

#101 Oct 31, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>These are KIDS you're talking about. They're vulnerable, especially when their loved ones and role models are berating them, telling them they're not loved, they're not worth anything, they're wrong, they're broken. It doesn't take as much as you might think for a person in a position of authority to destroy the spirit of a child who trusts them.
Once again blame others. I'm not saying folks are not "born gay" just saying maybe a few wires are crossed.

Since: Mar 07

Rhoadesville, VA

#102 Oct 31, 2013
beers wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again blame others. I'm not saying folks are not "born gay" just saying maybe a few wires are crossed.
Well, being gay, in and of itself, has no affect on a person's ability to live a healthy and productive life. So why worry about it?

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