Gay marriage normal now, says Clegg

Gay marriage normal now, says Clegg

There are 362 comments on the Hampshire Chronicle story from Oct 24, 2013, titled Gay marriage normal now, says Clegg. In it, Hampshire Chronicle reports that:

Gay marriage already feels normal and matter of fact, Nick Clegg said tonight as he was presented with an award for helping to push through the controversial reforms.

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#247 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I know, you were there.
Yes, working in Social Services with delinquents and homeless teens, many of whom resorted to prostitution to survive.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#248 Nov 6, 2013
snyper wrote:
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A LOT changed.
You mean no one thinks homosexuality isn't a disorder since the vote?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#249 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
1. You and your partner don't have the required parts.
Just like a machine, it won't work.
So? That STILL doesn't qualify as a birth defect. A person's birth defect is measured by its effect on THEM ALONE. You can't wait until they partner up with someone for it to manifest. Suppose a gay man wants to have a child, and decides the best way for it is to mate with a woman. Surprise! It works! A child is born. Which part was defective? None. Continue trying to prove your unproven point.
Wondering wrote:
2. Are you claiming that there are no gay Christians? Are you saying that they don't care what their church thinks?
There are PLENTY of gay Christians, and they care PLENTY what their church thinks (for reasons Iíll never fathom). I'm claiming that many Christian churches are HAPPY to perform same-sex marriages. I'm also claiming that whatever a church will or won't do, doesn't define a person's birth defect. Please, keep trying to prove your nonsense.
Wondering wrote:
3. It may sounds stupid, blame the gays that used to congregate in them. I know of two right in this area that were closed due to complaints from people that lived near to them.
And this has WHAT to do with proving your nonsense claim about birth defects? I completely understand that you would feel the NEED to wander off from your own point, since you don't seem to have ANY evidence of your assertion, but I won't be so easily distracted. Quit trying to sidetrack off to unrelated issues. I donít care if they close every rest area in the nation, or if they turn every one of them into a permanent sex party. What does that have to do with birth defects? Why are you unable to prove the point that you made?

Why are you trying to redirect the conversation toward churches and rest areas? If youíre trying to talk about BIRTH DEFECTS, then those things are irrelevant red herrings. You should be focused on things like daily impediments and deformities. You should be drawing parallels with cell division error and dysplasia. You should be finding scientific websites that back up your claim. You should be doing anything EXCEPT re-routing conversation to things which have NOTHING to do with congenital disorders. Iím embarrassed for you, itís so painfully obvious that you CANNOT support your claim.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#250 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
You mean no one thinks homosexuality isn't a disorder since the vote?
Oh, there are still plenty of morons who believe that unproven, unsupported tripe.

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#251 Nov 6, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
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So? That STILL doesn't qualify as a birth defect. A person's birth defect is measured by its effect on THEM ALONE. You can't wait until they partner up with someone for it to manifest. Suppose a gay man wants to have a child, and decides the best way for it is to mate with a woman. Surprise! It works! A child is born. Which part was defective? None. Continue trying to prove your unproven point.
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There are PLENTY of gay Christians, and they care PLENTY what their church thinks (for reasons Iíll never fathom). I'm claiming that many Christian churches are HAPPY to perform same-sex marriages. I'm also claiming that whatever a church will or won't do, doesn't define a person's birth defect. Please, keep trying to prove your nonsense.
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And this has WHAT to do with proving your nonsense claim about birth defects? I completely understand that you would feel the NEED to wander off from your own point, since you don't seem to have ANY evidence of your assertion, but I won't be so easily distracted. Quit trying to sidetrack off to unrelated issues. I donít care if they close every rest area in the nation, or if they turn every one of them into a permanent sex party. What does that have to do with birth defects? Why are you unable to prove the point that you made?
Why are you trying to redirect the conversation toward churches and rest areas? If youíre trying to talk about BIRTH DEFECTS, then those things are irrelevant red herrings. You should be focused on things like daily impediments and deformities. You should be drawing parallels with cell division error and dysplasia. You should be finding scientific websites that back up your claim. You should be doing anything EXCEPT re-routing conversation to things which have NOTHING to do with congenital disorders. Iím embarrassed for you, itís so painfully obvious that you CANNOT support your claim.
Awesome post.......but Wondering will NEVER see your point!!!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#252 Nov 6, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
Suppose a gay man wants to have a child, and decides the best way for it is to mate with a woman. Surprise! It works! A child is born. Which part was defective? None.
Of course it works, that's the natural order of things. In this case it would be a gay guy pretending to be normal. The defective part is the child would be left with f'd up parents. Of course, we aren't talking about gay men mating with women, we're talking about a gay and his/her chosen partner. They're broken.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#253 Nov 6, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
I'm also claiming that whatever a church will or won't do, doesn't define a person's birth defect.
It does in the eyes of the church that won't unite a same sex couple.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#254 Nov 6, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
Quit trying to sidetrack off to unrelated issues.
Do you mean like this:
"Suppose a gay man wants to have a child, and decides the best way for it is to mate with a woman"

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#255 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
1. You and your partner don't have the required parts.
Just like a machine, it won't work.
Merely possessing the "required parts" doesn't mean the parts work. Just ask sterile opposite sex couples.
Wondering wrote:
2. Are you claiming that there are no gay Christians? Are you saying that they don't care what their church thinks?
You implied there were no Christian denominations that would marry gays and that's simply not true. Christian and Jewish gays can have their spiritual needs met by accepting denominations which rare also more that happy to marry them.
Wondering wrote:
3. It may sounds stupid, blame the gays that used to congregate in them. I know of two right in this area that were closed due to complaints from people that lived near to them.
Did the people complaining not have bathrooms in their own homes that necessitated them using the ones at nearby rest areas?

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#256 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Many people think it was rigged. I do too.
Keep showing us your disordered thinking and then laughably claim you're normal.
Wondering wrote:
It doesn't matter anyway. Nothing changed.
A lot changed as a result. But bigots like you are notoriously resistant to change. It's generally easier for you to die than give up your prejudices.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#257 Nov 6, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
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1. Merely possessing the "required parts" doesn't mean the parts work. Just ask sterile opposite sex couples.
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2. You implied there were no Christian denominations that would marry gays and that's simply not true. Christian and Jewish gays can have their spiritual needs met by accepting denominations which rare also more that happy to marry them.
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3. Did the people complaining not have bathrooms in their own homes that necessitated them using the ones at nearby rest areas?
1. They have a medical problem, what do you have?
2. What you think I implied and what I said are two different things.
3. That statement makes no sense. I'll make an attempt here. The rest areas were bordering their property. Large groups of strange men were congregating there. In the fall it was easy to see what was going on in these rest areas. They didn't like it.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#258 Nov 6, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
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Keep showing us your disordered thinking and then laughably claim you're normal.
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A lot changed as a result. But bigots like you are notoriously resistant to change. It's generally easier for you to die than give up your prejudices.
We all die, many gays die way before their time, all because of their lifestyle.

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#259 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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We all die, many gays die way before their time, all because of their lifestyle.
Many heterosexuals die way before their time, all because of their lifestyle.

What's your point?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#260 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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1. They have a medical problem, what do you have?
Really? Both of my sisters married after a certain age. Is that what you call a "medical problem?"
3. That statement makes no sense. I'll make an attempt here. The rest areas were bordering their property. Large groups of strange men were congregating there. In the fall it was easy to see what was going on in these rest areas. They didn't like it.
You seem to imply that same-sex marriage will somehow increase the rest area problem. Most of us believe that, if it have any effect at all, marriage equality will mitigate the need to seek anonymous sexual encounters. At any rate, the issue needs to be addressed through different policies, most of which you oppose.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#261 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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We all die, many gays die way before their time, all because of their lifestyle.
And many non-gays die before their time because of their lifestyles.

But, if you ever want anyone to take you seriously, you should stop conflating being gay with a lifestyle. Repeatedly demonstrating your lack of ability to separate issues merely makes people think you are challenged.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#262 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Of course it works, that's the natural order of things. In this case it would be a gay guy pretending to be normal. The defective part is the child would be left with f'd up parents. Of course, we aren't talking about gay men mating with women, we're talking about a gay and his/her chosen partner. They're broken.
No, we're talking about whether homosexuality constitutes a birth defect. We aren't talking about how children are made, or what their relationship with their parents are like. Gay does not equal sterile, nor even impotent with the opposite sex. LOTS of kids have f'd up STRAIGHT parents, but that doesn't mean the straight parents have any birth defects.

You MUST be able to identify the birth defect in ONE gay person ALONE, not in the context of what they do with a partner. You are all OVER the place with this, except for on the ACTUAL issue.
Wondering wrote:
It does in the eyes of the church that won't unite a same sex couple.
No, lol, it doesn't. Churches don't define birth defects, ever. They CERTAINLY can't do it just because someone doesn't follow their dogma.

"In the eyes of the church". HAH! Pfft. I'm talking about in the eyes of SCIENCE, not some supernatural cult.
Wondering wrote:
Do you mean like this:
"Suppose a gay man wants to have a child, and decides the best way for it is to mate with a woman"
No, that was right on target. It was a question, an example, intended to elicit an HONEST response out of you. It shows that no birth defect exists. Something you haven't done either. Go do some scientific research and homework, and stay away from sites which try to back up their claims with ghosts and goblins. Religion has no answer to this; look to science and medicine. Look to actual gay people, who suffer NO impediment in their lives. Look to the research of QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS (hint: that's not you). Go find me a website which says in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that homosexuality IS a birth defect. They need to be able to demonstrate their research and support their findings. They can't just go off on a side rant about the poor, poor churches that don't recognize same-sex marriages, and then say THAT somehow "proves" a birth defect.

And I'll tell you something else: Be very careful with your idea that being gay is a birth defect. People with birth defects are protected by the Americans With Disabilities act of 1990. If homosexuality WERE to suddenly be classified as a birth defect, this would empower us to get nearly ANYTHING WE ASK FOR. Is that your goal?

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#263 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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We all die, many gays die way before their time, all because of their lifestyle.
What a coincidence; many straight people die before their time because of their lifestyle too.

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#264 Nov 6, 2013
Wondering wrote:
1. They have a medical problem, what do you have?
I don't have a medical problem, or a disease or a disorder.
Wondering wrote:
2. What you think I implied and what I said are two different things.
Because you offered this as a "defect" suffered by gays in a previous post:

"For gay Christians, the inability to have their own church marry them or recognize their marriage."

There is no universally accepted position among Christians or Jews on the topic of homosexuality. Gays can and do find accepting churches, synagogues and denominations to minister to their spiritual needs, including religious marriage.
Wondering wrote:
3. That statement makes no sense. I'll make an attempt here. The rest areas were bordering their property. Large groups of strange men were congregating there. In the fall it was easy to see what was going on in these rest areas. They didn't like it.
Context makes a difference. Closing the entire rest area seems a bit drastic, though.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#265 Nov 8, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
You MUST be able to identify the birth defect in ONE gay person ALONE,
One of your gay male friends did it for me. He said he was born with the same sexual attraction for men that my mother was. He went on to say if my mother didn't have a disorder then neither did he. That's the disorder and it was perfectly defined by one of your own.

Since: Mar 07

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#266 Nov 8, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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You mean no one thinks homosexuality isn't a disorder since the vote?
There is no accounting for what crazy people think. Fortunately, their influence on marriage laws in this country is shrinking away.

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