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However court rules, gay marriage debate won't end

There are 2351 comments on the NewsCenter 25 story from Mar 28, 2013, titled However court rules, gay marriage debate won't end. In it, NewsCenter 25 reports that:

However the Supreme Court rules after its landmark hearings on same-sex marriage, the issue seems certain to divide Americans and states for many years to come.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2002 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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That's a lie...if you add too the definition of marriage, you change it...plan and simple...and when you change it to include everthing man can think of...you've erased the meaning of it altogether...
Exactly. If the media were "liberal," they wouldn't append an unnecessary qualifier.

Of course, if a conservative valued life-long commitments, they would be for marriage equality. But they value bigotry above what they claim they value.

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Nonya!

#2003 Apr 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Really? The person I chose to marry happened to be of the same gender as myself, and before 2004 I did NOT have the right to marry the person of my choice.
By law my choice was limited to the 50% of the population of the opposite gender.
I don't know who you chose..according to you ssm wasn't illegal, so you could have...

In any event...no one chose your spouse for you...even gays had a choice of which o/s person they decided to marry....

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#2004 Apr 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Exactly. If the media were "liberal," they wouldn't append an unnecessary qualifier.
Of course, if a conservative valued life-long commitments, they would be for marriage equality. But they value bigotry above what they claim they value.
Polygamy: The Next Marriage Battle?

By Evan Lenow - April 18, 2013

While the battle over same-sex marriage still rages, it is hard to imagine what the next battle might be. However, astute observers of the marriage debate have already seen the newest challenge to the definition of marriage—polygamy. In an article this week on Slate, Jillian Keenan proposes that the legalization of polygamous marriage is a desired result of the current marriage debate. She argues:


While the Supreme Court and the rest of us are all focused on the human right of marriage equality, let’s not forget that the fight doesn’t end with same-sex marriage. We need to legalize polygamy, too. Legalized polygamy in the United States is the constitutional, feminist, and sex-positive choice. More importantly, it would actually help protect, empower, and strengthen women, children, and families.

Keenan is not playing the “same-sex marriage is a slippery slope” card to argue against same-sex marriage. In fact, she ridicules that argument as a “tired refrain.” Instead, she brands herself as a feminist who believes polygamy is in the best interest of women and society and perfectly in keeping with the arguments for same-sex marriage.

Besides the 2011 lawsuit to decriminalize bigamy and polygamy in Utah filed by the stars of TLC’sSister Wives, the discussion of polygamy and its connection to the same-sex marriage debate has been fairly silent. Keenan, however, wishes to end that silence.

I O W....she wants to tell the truth of the matter and that is that ssm and polygamy are going hand in hand to redefine marriage in this country...

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2005 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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I don't know who you chose..according to you ssm wasn't illegal, so you could have...
In any event...no one chose your spouse for you...even gays had a choice of which o/s person they decided to marry....
Right, and blacks had the choice of which same-race person to marry....

Why limit it to opposite sex? Why not stipulate your spouse has to have the same hair color, eye color, handedness, height, weight, ethnicity, religion, etc, etc, etc.

You bigots never learn.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2006 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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You wouldn't know 'honesty' if it fell on you from the sky...you are lying when you say those that opposed interracial marriage did so out of a fear of ssm, polygamy and incest marriage...you should be ashamed for lying the way you do...
You've been presented the evidence. And yet you continue to tell your old lie. And you have the nerve to call me dishonest.

Being called dishonest by someone who lies in every post is hardly a concern.
Well thanks to ssm, they have a real shot at being heard now...face it...it is homosexuals that started the decent of marriage in this country, and history will reflect that...
As I've said many times, a better argument for polygamy is to READ YOUR DAMNED BIBLE. Have you ever done that?
Were you saying the same thing about the gay gene when there was no evidence of it???? Of course you weren't....
You're right. I've never said anything about the gay gene. It's clear that there is no one gene and no one cause.

Are you willing to believe that I am also left-handed? Or do you insist that I am really right-handed, but I just wanted attention or something like that? After all, nobody has ever found the left-handed gene. So left-handedness can't exist, right?
the evidence now coming forward certainly suggests what I'm saying...you need to read it for yourself...it's on 'your own' websites for goodness sake....
What evidence have I ever denied? Are you going on about the contribution of hormones in the womb to homosexuality? Who here has denied that? What we deny is that it is the only cause, or that it needs to somehow be fixed. Did you notice my question about identical twins with opposite sexuality? If it's determined in the womb and can be "fixed," why weren't both twins gay?

The only evidence is that you're a bigot. We can tell this because you think that gays need to be "fixed." If you didn't think gays were inferior, they wouldn't need to be "fixed."
Actually, we don't know any of that to be true...if they find it to be a 'malfunction' as I believe they will, then they can certainly intervene to correct it.
Is every difference a "malfunction?" Is left-handedness a malfunction? Even if we became smart enough to rebalance hormones in such a way as to assure heterosexual offspring, what side effects would there be and how would you way them against the completely harmless presence of gays in society? And given that society has functioned just fine with homosexuals present forever, what harm might occur if you were to fiddle with nature's plan?
Is there a reason to fix other birth defects?? Of course there's a reason...it's coming to light that homosexuality is a result of a 'mix-up' in the womb...soon we will be able to tell which babies are effected, from there I don't know what we will do...but it will be interesting to see.
Again, there are lots of things that can be changed. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. Short people could be given hormones to make them taller. We know how to do that. Should all people whose genealogy suggests they'll be short take hormones to make them tall? Should we try to "cure" flat-chestedness in women? Small penises in men?

Just because you are a bigot and prefer people to be one way or another doesn't mean we, as a society, should alter nature to suit you.

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2007 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Polygamy: The Next Marriage Battle?
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Nope.

The last thing a polygamist wants is to get legally married. The guy already gets taken to the cleaner when he divorces ONE woman; imagine if he divorces 3 or 4 all at once! And for the woman it's no better; instead of getting half his assests, she'll only get 1/3rd of 1/4th etc.

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2008 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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I O W....she wants to tell the truth of the matter and that is that ssm and polygamy are going hand in hand to redefine marriage in this country...
Nope, no one can redefine my marriage but me or my husband.

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#2009 Apr 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Right, and blacks had the choice of which same-race person to marry....
Why limit it to opposite sex? Why not stipulate your spouse has to have the same hair color, eye color, handedness, height, weight, ethnicity, religion, etc, etc, etc.
You bigots never learn.
Another one trying to elevate themselves to African American suffrage...doesn't apply...just makes you less credible...

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2010 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
Can't run, can't hide..history will record this as is...
he Washington Times reports:
[Polygamy is] getting a legal boost from a strange bedfellow: the success of same-sex marriage.
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Hey, Fool: That's the same crap you already posted quoting ADF. Like you, they will say anything to discredit gays.

Same old same old coming from you. You haven't learned one thing from the actual information that's been provided to you on these boards, have you?

It's called willful ignorance. Or foolishness.

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2011 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Another one trying to elevate themselves to African American suffrage...doesn't apply...just makes you less credible...
Nope, just making an observation that limiting marriage partners by race is no different than limiting marriage partners by gender.

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2012 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Sure...civil rights are rights extended to every citizen....
Gays already had the right to marry, long before ssm, and many of them actually did marry....long before ssm....
Right. That's entirely analogous to the argument that white people had the right to marry and black people had the right to marry, so nobody was being denied their rights. Except that SCOTUS found that people have the right to marry the person of their choice, not someone who bigots prescribe to be right for them.

Understand?

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#2013 Apr 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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You've been presented the evidence. And yet you continue to tell your old lie. And you have the nerve to call me dishonest.
Being called dishonest by someone who lies in every post is hardly a concern.
Please save the propaganda for your gullible followers...you can't lie to those who already know the truth.....
You're right. I've never said anything about the gay gene. It's clear that there is no one gene and no one cause.
Are you willing to believe that I am also left-handed? Or do you insist that I am really right-handed, but I just wanted attention or something like that? After all, nobody has ever found the left-handed gene. So left-handedness can't exist, right?


Actually, you are incorrect..


Scientific American

What causes some people to be left-handed, and why are fewer people left-handed than right-handed?

Porac, a professor of psychology at Pennsylvania State University who studies handedness, explains.

Researchers who study human hand preference agree that the side of the preferred hand (right versus left) is produced by biological and, most likely, genetic causes.

This however can not be said for homosexuality...
What evidence have I ever denied? Are you going on about the contribution of hormones in the womb to homosexuality? Who here has denied that? What we deny is that it is the only cause, or that it needs to somehow be fixed. Did you notice my question about identical twins with opposite sexuality? If it's determined in the womb and can be "fixed," why weren't both twins gay?
It's obvious that different things happen to different twins inside the womb...that is why one is almost always born larger than the other...yet no one knows why this happens...some twins are born with one having a birth defect and one not...it happens all the time...

[QUOTE The only evidence is that you're a bigot. We can tell this because you think that gays need to be "fixed." If you didn't think gays were inferior, they wouldn't need to be "fixed."[/QUOTE]

Well, if spinabifida could be remedied in the womb, I'd want that too...It's not 'hateful' to want a child to be as healthy as they can be...
Is every difference a "malfunction?" Is left-handedness a malfunction?
No, it's genetic...
Even if we became smart enough to rebalance hormones in such a way as to assure heterosexual offspring, what side effects would there be and how would you way them against the completely harmless presence of gays in society?
'Harm' can be interpreted in many different ways...

I'm not a doctor nor a geneticist. I only relayed what information was put out by those in that field. It seems to me they could in deed find that this is a malfunction that can be fixed...what then?? Will you call the doctors 'bigots' for finding this out???
And given that society has functioned just fine with homosexuals present forever, what harm might occur if you were to fiddle with nature's plan?
"You" are accusing 'ME' of fiddling with nature's plans??? How totally ironic...how totally ridiculous...how would being a hetersexual mess with nature's plans???
Again, there are lots of things that can be changed. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.
I agree...like traditional marriage...
Short people could be given hormones to make them taller. We know how to do that. Should all people whose genealogy suggests they'll be short take hormones to make them tall? Should we try to "cure" flat-chestedness in women? Small penises in men?
Do they have a cure for the penis?? I'm sure plenty o' men would be lined up for that one...LOL!!

If we in fact can change someone's height by hormones (I'm not aware of such treatment, so I must take you at your word there is such a treatment), then obviously someone thought there needed to be a treatment for someone being short...I don't know...

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#2014 Apr 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Right. That's entirely analogous to the argument that white people had the right to marry and black people had the right to marry, so nobody was being denied their rights. Except that SCOTUS found that people have the right to marry the person of their choice, not someone who bigots prescribe to be right for them.
Understand?
You are not talking about race...and race is not gender....

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Nonya!

#2015 Apr 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Hey, Fool: That's the same crap you already posted quoting ADF. Like you, they will say anything to discredit gays.
Same old same old coming from you. You haven't learned one thing from the actual information that's been provided to you on these boards, have you?
It's called willful ignorance. Or foolishness.
What is ADF??? No one is trying to discredit gays...

ssm has given polygamy a legal lift....if you consider that discrediting gays...then you have a problem...

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2016 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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What marriage is is what we are talking about...and when you add in every kind of marriage man can come up with...it means nothing...
Now it's really funny that you should say that when John Paulk just apologized for all the damage his lies have done over the last two decades.

If you don't know who Paulk was, he has been the face of the ex-gay movement for two decades. He has toured the country extolling the happiness that he obtained by leaving homosexuality behind, marrying a woman, and fathering a family. He's made his living "teaching" others to do the same.

Guess what? This week he filed for divorced and admitted that he never stopped being gay. He admitted--as so many ex-gay leaders before him--that he was lying to himself. The more he knew he was lying, the louder he had to lie to others. He sought comfort by dragging others into his self-imposed misery.

Those are the wages of ex-gay. We all know that. We have a long history of similar stories. And you've got "what you want to believe."

You are a fool.

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Littleton, NH

#2017 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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You are not talking about race...and race is not gender....
And yet the arguments are the same.

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Nonya!

#2018 Apr 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Now it's really funny that you should say that when John Paulk just apologized for all the damage his lies have done over the last two decades.
If you don't know who Paulk was, he has been the face of the ex-gay movement for two decades. He has toured the country extolling the happiness that he obtained by leaving homosexuality behind, marrying a woman, and fathering a family. He's made his living "teaching" others to do the same.
Guess what? This week he filed for divorced and admitted that he never stopped being gay. He admitted--as so many ex-gay leaders before him--that he was lying to himself. The more he knew he was lying, the louder he had to lie to others. He sought comfort by dragging others into his self-imposed misery.
Those are the wages of ex-gay. We all know that. We have a long history of similar stories. And you've got "what you want to believe."
You are a fool.
That person has nothing to do with me, and I don't know who he is, and I can not speak to his statement...sorry...

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Nonya!

#2019 Apr 26, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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And yet the arguments are the same.
Not even close...

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Littleton, NH

#2020 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Please save the propaganda for your gullible followers...you can't lie to those who already know the truth.....
In other words, you are determined to remain an ignorant fool, no matter what.
Actually, you are incorrect..
Scientific American
What causes some people to be left-handed, and why are fewer people left-handed than right-handed?
Porac, a professor of psychology at Pennsylvania State University who studies handedness, explains.
Researchers who study human hand preference agree that the side of the preferred hand (right versus left) is produced by biological and, most likely, genetic causes.
This however can not be said for homosexuality...
You are a nut. There is strong evidence of genetic influence on homosexuality. I merely pointed out that no one has found a left-handed gene. Correlations suggest a strong genetic component, just as they do for gayness. If you want to use science to support your arguments, you have to be informed about the science that knocks your arguments off their pedestals, as well. Otherwise, you simply portray yourself as foolish.
It's obvious that different things happen to different twins inside the womb...that is why one is almost always born larger than the other...yet no one knows why this happens...some twins are born with one having a birth defect and one not...it happens all the time...
Exactly. So how close do you really think we are to controlling sexuality through prenatal hormones? Wishful thinking for a bigot. An unnecessary and danger-laden attempt to thwart mother nature for anyone else.
Well, if spinabifida could be remedied in the womb, I'd want that too...It's not 'hateful' to want a child to be as healthy as they can be...
Again, you fly your flag of bigotry. Gay children are completely healthy.
No, it's genetic...
Yet no gene has been located. Are the offspring of two left-handed people left-handed? Could there possibly be more than one gene involved?

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. Falling in love with someone of a different race is not genetic. So why do you insist that being gay be genetic?
'Harm' can be interpreted in many different ways...
I'm not a doctor nor a geneticist. I only relayed what information was put out by those in that field. It seems to me they could in deed find that this is a malfunction that can be fixed...what then?? Will you call the doctors 'bigots' for finding this out???
Finding out is just fine. Intervening with no good reason is malpractice.
"You" are accusing 'ME' of fiddling with nature's plans??? How totally ironic...how totally ridiculous...how would being a hetersexual mess with nature's plans???
Since gays are part of society and always have been and since gays occur in every species, it seems reasonable to assume that they serve some useful purpose in nature. Without understanding that purpose, you wish to change nature? Fool.
I agree...like traditional marriage...
Me too. It works great for heterosexuals and many bisexuals.
Do they have a cure for the penis?? I'm sure plenty o' men would be lined up for that one...LOL!!
If we in fact can change someone's height by hormones (I'm not aware of such treatment, so I must take you at your word there is such a treatment), then obviously someone thought there needed to be a treatment for someone being short...I don't know...
You've never heard of growth hormones? You don't do much reading, do you?

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2021 Apr 26, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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That person has nothing to do with me, and I don't know who he is, and I can not speak to his statement...sorry...
But you are always talking about how happy ex-gays are. And here is the leader of the ex-gays for two decades running admitting that he lied the entire time.

And he is typical of the ex-gay leaders. This is important information. You need to understand this. Gays do.

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