However court rules, gay marriage debate won't end

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However the Supreme Court rules after its landmark hearings on same-sex marriage, the issue seems certain to divide Americans and states for many years to come.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1374 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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You mean those 'self-reported' studies where 'the parents' said the kids were fine???? Hmmmm surprise surprise!!!
Nope, studies of kids who are now adults that were raised by same-sex couples.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#1375 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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It's a shame your daughter has to charter these waters alone..you are a selfish selfish man...
And you are a vile piece of trash. The idea that a child is "missing" something from having two loving, committed parents who happen to be gay is just crap. What is selfish is to attack families because of your ignorant, cowardly bigotry, to say kids are better off with no parents at all than with parents who happen to be gay. Don't pretend you give a damn about these kids.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1376 Apr 10, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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And there's not anything at all remotely harmful about the gay parents of a kid being married as opposed to not being married, and those are the ONLY options available.
If there's no harm being done...why are we having this discussion???
The idea that if you put Jim Crow laws in place preventing marriage equality, these kids will magically have Ward and June Cleaver appear is hogwash.
Ummmmm, no one said that....and "Jim Crow" is not applicable to this circumstance...
Marriage equality won't cause any more gay people,


What are you talking about???
or gay parents.
HUH??????
It'll only bring more stability into those families. Those kids WANT their parents to be married.
They're kids...they don't know what is best for them...that's why they have us....

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1377 Apr 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Alone? What makes you think she's alone?
You are a stupid stupid whatever it is you are.....
The fact that two men are in the home....again...common sense isn't common enough....maybe lack of common sense goes hand in hand with egostical selfishness....

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1378 Apr 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, studies of kids who are now adults that were raised by same-sex couples.
Sorry, that's not what the 'Regnerus' study reported at all...

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#1379 Apr 10, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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And you are a vile piece of trash. The idea that a child is "missing" something from having two loving, committed parents who happen to be gay is just crap.
You can't accept that a 'mother' is not something a 'man' can be regardless of his sexuality....a girl needs a 'mother' in the home with her..

The strongest influence in the home is the adult of the same-ses of the child....can't refute it...
What is selfish is to attack families because of your ignorant, cowardly bigotry,
He is a selfish person to think only of himself and not his daughter's need to be around her mother in the home. End of story...
to say kids are better off with no parents at all than with parents who happen to be gay.
Who said that???
Don't pretend you give a damn about these kids.
It's you all that don't give a hoot about those kids...it's all about 'you'...

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#1380 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool--"If there's no harm being done...why are we having this discussion???"

An excellent question. Why we haven't recognized marriage equality and moved on long ago is a mystery. The answers are at the root of all bigotry--ignorance and fear.

"Ummmmm, no one said that"

Then why does this phony baloney nonsense about how "harmful" gay parents are for kids come into the discussion at all?

"and "Jim Crow" is not applicable to this circumstance..."

Of course it is. The laws refusing to recognize marriage equality are every bit as discriminatory and immoral as Jim Crow. It's the same thing, just hate and bigotry at a different set victims.

"They're kids...they don't know what is best for them...that's why they have us."

Sure, because a stranger who is deeply ignorant about homosexuality and knows nothing whatsoever about their parents telling them they're better off with the same parents only un-married...or would you rather they be in an orphanage or foster care instead of with their fathers or mothers?...ought to be butting into their family, rather than the actual family members knowing what they want.

There's not a child anywhere in the universe whose life is the slightest bit improved by laws refusing to recognize marriage equality for gay people.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#1381 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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You can't accept that a 'mother' is not something a 'man' can be regardless of his sexuality....a girl needs a 'mother' in the home with her..
If we were to follow that logic then we should be insisting that every home where children are raised should have a heterosexual male parent, a heterosexual female parent, a homosexual female parent, a homosexual male parent, bisexual male and female parents, and transgendered parents as well. That's a minimum of eight separate adult parents present -- and I probably forgot a few who should be included too if we're going to cover all the bases properly.

If you think that's ridiculous then you've just discounted your own argument.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#1382 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool--"You can't accept that a 'mother' is not something a 'man' can be regardless of his sexuality."

Lie. I know very well that a man is the child's father, not mother.

"a girl needs a 'mother' in the home with her."

First off, bull. But, far MORE important is that your support for laws discriminating against gay couples will not magically create this mother for ANY child, anywhere, ever.

"The strongest influence in the home is the adult of the same-ses of the child....can't refute it..."

Actually, yeah, you can. It's a stereotype, a situation of "in some cases" and ignores, AGAIN, that the kids we're talking about, living in a home with two fathers, will NOT have a mother created for them by laws preventing her fathers from marrying. There's no point to them whatsoever.

"He is a selfish person to think only of himself and not his daughter's need to be around her mother in the home. End of story..."

Go to hell, it's not "end of story" it's a despicable, hateful LIE. There's nothing remotely "selfish" about it, and the idea that it'll be a wonderful family if this father pretends he's heterosexual and "marries" someone to whom he has no attraction and love just because a pair of tits is all it takes to be a good parent in your perverted little mind.
EVERY gay couple with kids that I know would NEVER have become a couple were the well-being of the kids in any question whatsoever. Like any single parent, it makes having an, ahem, adult relationship a lot more difficult. But that's what good parents do.
And contrary to the hate group falderal you keep shoveling, being a good parent has nothing whatsoever to do with being romantically and physically attracted to people of the opposite sex.

"It's you all that don't give a hoot about those kids...it's all about 'you'..."

First, the opposite is true, it is YOU who is attacking these kids families and their parents, exploiting them in a cheap and scummy way to excuse your bigotry. The hateful laws trying to tear their families apart are not to benefit kids, and they don't, and never will. Your sick little fantasy, that if you ban gay marriage all these gay people will turn straight and go marry the perfect mommy is impossible. AGAIN, the choices are to have gay parents who are married, or gay parents who are not, and there's nothing whatsoever about the latter that benefits any child, anywhere, ever.

Oh, and by the way, as for "it's about you", I'm not gay.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#1383 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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The fact that two men are in the home....again...common sense isn't common enough....maybe lack of common sense goes hand in hand with egostical selfishness....
The idea that a child is "alone" if they don't have a parent with the same sex organs is just about as stupid as it gets. I mean, downright stupid.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1384 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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The fact that two men are in the home....again...common sense isn't common enough....maybe lack of common sense goes hand in hand with egostical selfishness....
Hmmmm, so if two men are in the home, then she's hardly alone now is she?

If you're presuming she doesn't have any female role modes just because she has two dads, you'd be wrong as well.

I just love when you religious nutjobs make assumptions which demonstrate just how ignorant you are about same-sex families.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#1385 Apr 10, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
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The idea that a child is "alone" if they don't have a parent with the same sex organs is just about as stupid as it gets. I mean, downright stupid.
That GTF.... downright stupid.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1386 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Sorry, that's not what the 'Regnerus' study reported at all...
Correct, the Regnerus study was completely invalidated.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1387 Apr 10, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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You can't accept that a 'mother' is not something a 'man' can be regardless of his sexuality....a girl needs a 'mother' in the home with her..
The strongest influence in the home is the adult of the same-ses of the child....can't refute it...
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He is a selfish person to think only of himself and not his daughter's need to be around her mother in the home. End of story...
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Who said that???
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It's you all that don't give a hoot about those kids...it's all about 'you'...
Nope, no evidence whatsoever that a girl "needs a mother in the home with her" to become a well adjusted woman; nor a boy needing a father in the home either.

In fact millions of boys & girls grow up to be well adjusted successful adults without a same gender parent in the home, including our current President!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1388 Apr 10, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>That GTF.... downright stupid.
Religious based bias can do that to a person.
Say the Truth

Lansdale, PA

#1389 Apr 10, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And only a moron attempts to predict the outcome of a case based on the oral arguments.
Remember how everyone predicted Obamacare would be ovterturned after oral agruments?
That was before Roberts got the "message" a la Mr. Woltz.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#1390 Apr 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Religious based bias can do that to a person.
Agreed. It sucks the brains out of its followers.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1391 Apr 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You and your fellow anti-gays keep claiming gays raising kids is harmful, so the onus is on you to prove that.
Otherwise we get the benefit of the doubt just like every other parent.
The argument isn't even relevant, anyway. When one claims the kids are worse off, you have to ask worse off than what? What alternative did the kids have?

We don't say that poor families can't raise kids, simply because they'd be better off in a rich family. We don't say that poor couples can't foster or adopt children because they'd be better off in some non-existent wealthier household.

The whole argument is a red herring from the beginning. Why are we arguing over how red it is?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1392 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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No one is telling you you 'can't' raise children...it's not a question of what's best for 'you', but what's best for 'the children'....
Thank you. I think we all agree that children are better off in stable households, and marriage tends to stabilize households. So we are in 100% agreement that same-sex couples will continue to raise children and that those children will be better off when their parents marry.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#1393 Apr 11, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Scientists don't understand methodology better than you and I??? I give myself props for being pretty intelligent, but at least I know to concede to experts....
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You must be in denial over the Regnerus study...
It's funny how you pick and choose "experts" that draw only the conclusion you want. And even then, you ignore what they actually said and twist it into what you want.

What about the hundreds of experts who came to different conclusions than Regnerus? Why haven't the experts whom you so admire on recognized psychology and child welfare boards accepted the conclusions that you have made up from Regnerus' study?

Personally, I think you're pretty clever at twisting facts. But that is not the same as being intelligent.

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