Muslim Tries to Apply for Spousal Ben...

Muslim Tries to Apply for Spousal Benefits for 12-Year-Old Wifea in Australia

There are 9 comments on the In-depth Africa story from Feb 11, 2014, titled Muslim Tries to Apply for Spousal Benefits for 12-Year-Old Wifea in Australia. In it, In-depth Africa reports that:

An alleged underage marriage was uncovered this week when a 12-year-old child bride and her 26-year-old husband tried to apply for spousal benefits, according to government sources.

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#1 Feb 12, 2014
these filthy pigs should be locked castrated and locked away until they are thrown out of the country. islam is one big cesspit and the sooner it is done away with the better. there are those who defend it by saying the paedophiles, wife beaters, sex gangs and terrorists are not real muslims, but the evidence says they are following the teachings of their prophet in every way. they have no conscience and can justify any act by pointing to the example of mohamed who lets be honest committed every base act imaginable. the sooner islam is destroyed the better.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#2 Feb 12, 2014
A 12 year old is not a child bride. 12 year olds are mature in Islam.
warner

Edinburgh, UK

#3 Feb 12, 2014
Onelawforall wrote:
A 12 year old is not a child bride. 12 year olds are mature in Islam.
A 12 year old is a child in mind if not in body. You are showing the truth of Islam and its followers sick mindset! Some (a minority) may menstruate at that age but their bodies are not physically mature in the fullest sense, but their minds are far from mature, these girls are just children and they have to be protected.

Muslims are educated in a civilized society to know right from wrong and you surely know it, yet you make a statement that suggests that you are a potential paedophile!
DrBen

Québec, Canada

#4 Feb 13, 2014
Times have changed and for a variety of social, cultural and economic reasons the marriage of pubescent girls to old men is NOT generally a good idea.

However, it must be remembered that such unions used to be VERY common. Until the 20th century, the age of consent to marriage in Europe was usually around 12 years.

According to pious legend, the Blessed Virgin Mary was certainly no older than 14 when she married Joseph.

Samuel de Champlain, who founded the city of Québec in 1508 was married to a girl of 14 (some historians say 12).

In 1900, the age of consent to sexual intercourse was 10 (!!!).

When Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14-year-old cousin, no laws were broken in the jurisdiction where the marriage took place.

While the custom is no longer universal in Christianity, it is still common for the bride to be escorted to the altar by her father. And before the priest takes her hand and places it in the hand of her fiancé, he asks (in the Anglican liturgy) "Who giveth this woman to be married to this man?" The father answers the question by "handing over" his daughter to the priest (i.e., the Church) who then "hands her over" to the groom. Now, that's not very politically correct these days, but under Christian, Jewish and Muslim law it is (or was) the prerogative of the father to select a man for his daughter, often when she was very young. Marriage was not based primarily (if at all) on romantic love, but was the union of families and in earlier times, when women generally had no real possiblity of independence, a "good" marriage was the only way to ensure her social and economic survival after the death of your parents. For that reason, the family often choose an established, older man for their daughter.

What happened in Australia is illegal and may have been a very bad decision by the girl's father. However, to believe that child marriage is limited to a specific region, religion or ethic group is a denial of the historical record.
warner

Dublin, Ireland

#5 Feb 13, 2014
DrBen wrote:
Times have changed and for a variety of social, cultural and economic reasons the marriage of pubescent girls to old men is NOT generally a good idea.
However, it must be remembered that such unions used to be VERY common. Until the 20th century, the age of consent to marriage in Europe was usually around 12 years.
According to pious legend, the Blessed Virgin Mary was certainly no older than 14 when she married Joseph.
Samuel de Champlain, who founded the city of Québec in 1508 was married to a girl of 14 (some historians say 12).
In 1900, the age of consent to sexual intercourse was 10 (!!!).
When Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14-year-old cousin, no laws were broken in the jurisdiction where the marriage took place.
While the custom is no longer universal in Christianity, it is still common for the bride to be escorted to the altar by her father. And before the priest takes her hand and places it in the hand of her fiancé, he asks (in the Anglican liturgy) "Who giveth this woman to be married to this man?" The father answers the question by "handing over" his daughter to the priest (i.e., the Church) who then "hands her over" to the groom. Now, that's not very politically correct these days, but under Christian, Jewish and Muslim law it is (or was) the prerogative of the father to select a man for his daughter, often when she was very young. Marriage was not based primarily (if at all) on romantic love, but was the union of families and in earlier times, when women generally had no real possiblity of independence, a "good" marriage was the only way to ensure her social and economic survival after the death of your parents. For that reason, the family often choose an established, older man for their daughter.
What happened in Australia is illegal and may have been a very bad decision by the girl's father. However, to believe that child marriage is limited to a specific region, religion or ethic group is a denial of the historical record.
Muslims always do this thing, they cite that as certain acts or deeds were done in ancient times that somehow it justifies that in this age it is alright for these practices to be indulged in by Muslims! Other people with their cultures have moved to moral standards but Muslims are intend on staying just where they have always been or indeed even regressing further back.

As for Mary, the lady was not a child when God Yahweh sent Angel Gabriel to break the good tidings to her that she had been chosen to be the mother of the Messiah, the Christ. The response of Mary was of a mature person with a profound understanding of God. Certainly, she was young but unlikely to have been under 18 years of age. One thing for sure God does not have the mentality of man. God is humane! If l can look at a young girl in pregnancy and judge her to be but 18 years or so, and compassion comes to me that she is so young to be burdened with child in terms of physical form and mental immaturity and responsibility, then God is so much more compassionate than l, and He would not make a young girl, just a child be in his service in such a way, l feel certain.

There is quite a difference between a 12 year old and a 14 year old, but 14 years old is too young! Jerry Lee Lewis was chased off the stage. I think it was the London Palladian. Someone in the audience rolled a pram on to the stage (after reading in the newspapers that day that Jerry Lee was married to a 14 year old girl). Lewis looked in puzzlement at the pram then a look of horror crossed his face when he realised the message behind it. Shouts of abuse came up from the audience and Jerry Lee fled the stage. Jerry Lee was young and his manager was his uncle. Jerry Lee was very talented and making big money, so the uncle arranged for the marriage of Lewis to his daughter up in a backward Hill country in America which had not updated it's laws. Trying to keep the money in the family! Jerry Lee Lewis took a major blow to his career.
DrBen

Québec, Canada

#6 Feb 14, 2014
As I said at the initially, the child marriage is no longer appropriate in developed societies and in Australia (as in most jurisdictions and even in many Muslim countries) is illegal. In Morocco and Egypt, for example, the age of consent is 18.

Nor did I say that what was common "in ancient time" should still be allowed. Society has changed and its institutions have changed too.

My point was to show that such marriages were not limited to Muslims or to certain regions, but were worldwide, not only in "ancient times" but even until the beginning of the 20th century.The age of consent in California was 10 in 1900; that was not "ancient times". When the age for marriage was 12 in the English colonies of America, that was not "ancient times". In Delaware the age of consent was 7 (!!!) until 1895 (See the The New York Times ( dateline BALTIMORE, Oct. 14.), published on October 15, 1895.) Canada raised the age of consent from 14 to 18 only in 2008; that was not ancient times!

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#7 Feb 14, 2014
'Under-reported and underage: Early marriage in Egypt - See more at: http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2012/12/05/unde...
warner

Dublin, Ireland

#8 Feb 14, 2014
DrBen wrote:
As I said at the initially, the child marriage is no longer appropriate in developed societies and in Australia (as in most jurisdictions and even in many Muslim countries) is illegal. In Morocco and Egypt, for example, the age of consent is 18.
Nor did I say that what was common "in ancient time" should still be allowed. Society has changed and its institutions have changed too.
My point was to show that such marriages were not limited to Muslims or to certain regions, but were worldwide, not only in "ancient times" but even until the beginning of the 20th century.The age of consent in California was 10 in 1900; that was not "ancient times". When the age for marriage was 12 in the English colonies of America, that was not "ancient times". In Delaware the age of consent was 7 (!!!) until 1895 (See the The New York Times ( dateline BALTIMORE, Oct. 14.), published on October 15, 1895.) Canada raised the age of consent from 14 to 18 only in 2008; that was not ancient times!
Science and technology has progressed to almost miraculous levels in the last 50 years. Fifty years ago Main frame computers were used that were cumbersome and slow. In areas of medicine too, and hygiene, all areas, TV's and tablets, laptops, mobile phones. There is little point in giving an ancient or recent history about forced marriages of children of 12 years old, which is happening in the world today as if somehow these deeds and practices can be justified by Muslims because it happened in ancient and recent history.

Muslims need to catch up with the new enlightenment that forced marriages and child brides, or GFM needs to be stopped. There are generations of people who have never lived with the concept that little girls can be used as sex toys by men and that their cultural supports it. In our culture (Western) our mindset is that these people are paedophiles, bad men, and there is no excuse for their behaviour. So, We should be careful that we are not seen to be making excuses for them and seeming to be too understanding of this type of behaviour. In our culture, we want to hold on to our good values and not regress because we are being influenced by backward people. If we get used to these types of behaviours perceived as normal by Muslims, then these bad deeds may be reintroduced to the detriment of humanity, and not to the glory of God.
anonymous

London, UK

#9 Feb 17, 2014
DrBen wrote:
Times have changed and for a variety of social, cultural and economic reasons the marriage of pubescent girls to old men is NOT generally a good idea.

However, it must be remembered that such unions used to be VERY common. Until the 20th century, the age of consent to marriage in Europe was usually around 12 years.

According to pious legend, the Blessed Virgin Mary was certainly no older than 14 when she married Joseph.

Samuel de Champlain, who founded the city of Québec in 1508 was married to a girl of 14 (some historians say 12).

In 1900, the age of consent to sexual intercourse was 10 (!!!).

When Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14-year-old cousin, no laws were broken in the jurisdiction where the marriage took place.

While the custom is no longer universal in Christianity, it is still common for the bride to be escorted to the altar by her father. And before the priest takes her hand and places it in the hand of her fiancé, he asks (in the Anglican liturgy) "Who giveth this woman to be married to this man?" The father answers the question by "handing over" his daughter to the priest (i.e., the Church) who then "hands her over" to the groom. Now, that's not very politically correct these days, but under Christian, Jewish and Muslim law it is (or was) the prerogative of the father to select a man for his daughter, often when she was very young. Marriage was not based primarily (if at all) on romantic love, but was the union of families and in earlier times, when women generally had no real possiblity of independence, a "good" marriage was the only way to ensure her social and economic survival after the death of your parents. For that reason, the family often choose an established, older man for their daughter.

What happened in Australia is illegal and may have been a very bad decision by the girl's father. However, to believe that child marriage is limited to a specific region, religion or ethic group is a denial of the historical record.
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