Comment: Let's allow Christians to have their views

May 23, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Belfast Today

Two clergymen sent the secularist 'Taliban' who dominate the media into fits of apoplexy this week.

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Yes, please.
I don't know where it is but I have seen the sun setting in flooded tin mines and swimming pools at beach resorts. Haven't you seen the huge sun setting in small bays?
Anyway, I know according to Ecclesiastes that the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.
really? The Sun went down into a mineshaft for the night?

Now, as a human and Earth-based chauvinist, I will admit that I often slip and use the horribly improper phrases of "sun rise" or "sun set", but I have never once made the claim that there is a location on the Earth wherein the Sun descend each evening so that it can travel underground to the place on the Earth where it will rise in the morning. Too bad the false prophet Mo can't make the same statement...
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Well, I can't comment on any of this, because I don't understand how anybody can be homosexual. Sperm + Poo = PU. Seems like a legitimate chemistry formula to me.
You post in a childish way as though you dwell on the possibility that someone is going to make you engage in a form of sex you find distasteful. Who is that person?

Yourself?

Also, oral and anal sex isn't just for homosexuals. Go equally express your disgust, if that's what it is, for heterosexuals who engage in sod omy.

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Okay, okay, I have a question. Ooo ooo. Pick me. Pick me.
When Adam and Eve kicked Cain out, it said that he went to live in a city and eventually he had a wife and kids. How is that possible?
Ah... he went off with the "other" people.

In Genesis chapter 1, the Elohim (a plural word) create the heavens and Earth, and people. Then, in the separate creation myth in Gen 2, one specific God of the Elohim,(YHVH) decides to set up His own little garden spot of the Earth that had been created by the committee of Gods back in chapter 1.

So, when Cain was exiled out from his family, he just went off to live with the people that had been created by the other Gods.

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A very common claim. The problem is that Islam till this day has not proved one single falsification in the Bible. There are errors - by far like in the Quran, but some - but not one proved falsification. Neither Islam nor science has found one proved falsification.
If you produce claims about falsifications, I will not respect those - you will have to deliver proofs. And if proved falsifications really had existed, we had not met them like claims in obscure internet pages, but like screams from Mulim universities, etc. There is no such scream.
On the other hand there are lots and lots of documented errors, contradictions, unclear texts, etc. in the Quran - likely to the tune of unbelieveable some 3ooo all together.
Besides: Even if the Bible had been full of errors, that would not remove one single error in the Quran - and those errors are what really should disturb Muslims and Islam.
http://www.1000mistakes.com - please spread this address, as it is the most informative and reliable one I have found about the Quran.
Exactly like the Muslims with their Koran, Christians ignore or deny the errors that are in the Bible.
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Ah... he went off with the "other" people.
In Genesis chapter 1, the Elohim (a plural word) create the heavens and Earth, and people. Then, in the separate creation myth in Gen 2, one specific God of the Elohim,(YHVH) decides to set up His own little garden spot of the Earth that had been created by the committee of Gods back in chapter 1.
So, when Cain was exiled out from his family, he just went off to live with the people that had been created by the other Gods.
And yet he central theme is that there is only one God
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really? The Sun went down into a mineshaft for the night?
Now, as a human and Earth-based chauvinist, I will admit that I often slip and use the horribly improper phrases of "sun rise" or "sun set", but I have never once made the claim that there is a location on the Earth wherein the Sun descend each evening so that it can travel underground to the place on the Earth where it will rise in the morning. Too bad the false prophet Mo can't make the same statement...
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What do you think about this verse?

Quran 69:16
And the sky will be rent asunder, for it will that Day be flimsy,

rent asunder means tear or crack open.

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<quoted text>Jesus is not a False God.
Right and we all know that no one will ever be saved because they will be judged by the keeping of the 10 Commandments all of their lives and each commandment has broad spectrum implications so 10 Commandments covers all manner of sins that can be committed. Jesus said that to even think about sin was sin and you don't have to do the sin. So, when you are angry at your employees or your boss or your spouse or children, you are sinning. Who then would ever get into Heaven? No one! The Bible also says that people cannot keep the Commandments and all will sin except Jesus. This is the truth. Yet, you say just go back to the Laws of Moses, well we should all be locked up from birth to keep us from sinning, hating, hurting ourselves and others, being mean, lieing, even telling fat women they look great and they are not fat. Locking us up from birth would not save us either! But Jesus came to send us His Holy Spirit to assist us to keep the Commandments of God as given to Moses after He has cleansed us. By the Grace of God in His great compassion for humanity so that we would not be afraid to breath and we could have a better quality of life. Jesus is a worthy role model to follow, and He assists Christians to make us better people.
Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

The list goes on and on, and on... rather like the Energizer Bunny.
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Warner wrote:
<quoted text>I love God with all my heart and l serve Him with all my heart.
This was my question
Do you love Jesus or do you love what Jesus did and is supposed to do for you?

So I'm guessing that your answer is that you God with all your heart, rather than loving what God did for you or is supposed to do for you, even though i couldn't seem to get that direct answer from you.

So if true, let's suppose, let's just suppose that God didn't do anything for you and won't do anything for you. Now I know you will complain and say that's impossible and God did and will, but this is just an imaginary sort of exploratory question that helps people look at their true selves. I'm not suggesting it is true. But if God didn't do anything for you and won't do anything for you in the future, would you still love God? And if you say yes, here is the more important question. Why would you? Or maybe one could even word the question as why should you?
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Exactly like the Muslims with their Koran, Christians ignore or deny the errors that are in the Bible.
Fair enough. Every religious scriptures have their "apparent" problems. But it's often difficult to really definitively pin it down. All that one has to say is that the scriptures were "inspired" by God and the person receiving the inspiration merely put it in the best terms they knew how or could understand. And with the Bible, it gets even tougher because it's a collection of books over thousands of years. So not only does it make it difficult to invalidate it based on one apparent error in one book of many books from many times, one could even invalidate an entire book from it and it could still survive, because it's modular. Now whether you think any of these are legitimate excuses or not is irrelevant at the moment.

The Quran is an entirely different ball game. It in no uncertain terms, represents itself as the letter for letter dictation of God. And even it's writing style is like none of it's predecessors at all as most of the Bible is actually a narrator retelling a story in third person narrative form. But the entire Quran is supposed to be in first person form as though it God speaking directly to you, rather than someone quoting God in the midst of the story. And it is not a collection of books but instead a singular monolith "revealed" in a relatively singular time.

And since it is clearly and MUST be the "perfect" letter for letter dictation of the creator of all things, then obviously every single part of it has to be perfect. So one error, just one, even one, and the entire thing collapses like a house of cards for making an initial false claim where everything else it said would then be viewed as a lie as well.

So it really comes down to an all or nothing proposition with the Quran. Either it's ALL true, or it's ALL false. That's the rule that the Quran itself made up, and I am not being unnecessarily restrictive. i wasn't the one stupid enough to make that claim.

So as far as errors go, can I find that "one" error? LOL!!!! The question does not involve "one", it involves "which one". So out of all religious scriptures that there are, and all of the questions people might have about them, I have never seen a religious scripture like the Quran were it can be so truly and clearly proven wrong in it's entirety.
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The Quran is an entirely different ball game. It in no uncertain terms, represents itself as the letter for letter dictation of God.
No, that's what fundies believe about the buybull.
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Wrong. That's all you obsess over.(However, you did inadvertently opine that about 80% of all heterosexuals are going to hell, you moron.).
After all, we know you are not speaking in that quote or any other post of yours about those who unrepentantly disrespect their parents.
You merely have a massive homosexual problem. It's purely psychological. It has nothing to do with scripture. Otherwise you'd be going on and on and on about how coveting is a sin and is filthy.
You're an unhinged mullah with sex problems is all.
Your focus is sex as you have come in from a sex forum.

I doubt that 80% of heterosexuals do sodomy . You must read some weird articles to come up with those stats but l think that the articles you are reading are aimed at promoting and encouraging sodomy to present it as normal. If they ask people about their sex lives in dens of iniquity then they will get those kind of stats, so it depends on the way that they collect the statistics. Most decent people would not take part on such studies, sex should be a private matter. Yes, indeed there will be a lot of people going to Hell. Somehow,l don't believe that Church going Christians will be in their number.

I don't speak in other posts about sex only with you guys. People should not disrespect their parents unless they have really good reason to do so. I don't preach about sin except with you it would seem as you are very focused on it. Mostly l debate with Muslims about the Quran verses the Bible and Jesus verses Muhammad. I may go on a bit about the sins of Mo or speak out against the sins of terrorists in a general way in order to expose the short comings of the Islamic Faith but that's as far as l go.

I certainly don't go on about theft and violence and disrespect for parents. After all we all know about theft and the violence that goes on and l am certainly not going to stop it preaching against it on an Islamic forum. The Christians on the forum don't need the preaching and the Muslims think that they are paragons of virtue so who would l preach to? Do you want me to come on your gaybee lifestyle forum and preach about sin? It would be pointless me speaking out against gaybees disrespecting their parents or doing theft because they may not commit those sins anyway.
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This was my question
Do you love Jesus or do you love what Jesus did and is supposed to do for you?
So I'm guessing that your answer is that you God with all your heart, rather than loving what God did for you or is supposed to do for you, even though i couldn't seem to get that direct answer from you.
So if true, let's suppose, let's just suppose that God didn't do anything for you and won't do anything for you. Now I know you will complain and say that's impossible and God did and will, but this is just an imaginary sort of exploratory question that helps people look at their true selves. I'm not suggesting it is true. But if God didn't do anything for you and won't do anything for you in the future, would you still love God? And if you say yes, here is the more important question. Why would you? Or maybe one could even word the question as why should you?
I gave you my answer when l gave you the scenario of me standing before God and me asking Him what l could do for Him.

It is impossible for me to comprehend thinking about God doing nothing for me. If God had not been my friend l cannot imagine what would become of me. God has given me love and support and reassurance that l will go to him at my end. That's what I know and that's part of me perhaps a very large part of me. It makes me as l am.

It's possible for me to provoke God with the scenario that you asked me so l would not dare imagine it.

Some years back when l was in Majorca on holiday l was thinking to myself in bed about how l was fed up not being carefree enough to not have to watch my money and how l could not afford to eat in the best of restaurants. I thought l was contemplating the holiday and l certainly was not praying. God interjected into my contemplations and rebuked me and so the lesson from that was that my thoughts are not my own. Yes, God said to me " l gave you this holiday, you have decent accommodation and pleasant food yet still you are not satisfied". I was very shocked and apologised. My thoughts are not my own, God hears everything, even when not in prayer.

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Warner wrote:
<quoted text>You are a rude and ignorant person, l am sorry to say because l don't like to be unpleasant to you.
Whether l get my scientific knowledge from a Creationist Science site or from an Encyclopedia or whatever source is not your business. Do you really think that l should spend my whole life in a science class or college so that l can keep up on science to answer the questions or challenge the statements from people like you?
Excuse me, but if you wish to know who the rude person is, try looking in a mirror. If you make a claim, be prepared to back it up. I don't know you and don't pretend to believe any and everything you say. You may have gotten it from a reliable/unreliable source or you may just have pulled it from your hat. IOW, put up or shut up.

Take a basic debate class or something, lots of kids learn those rules in high school.

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<quoted text>What facts is it that you want Debrae? You do realise that if you throw out your science manual and you refuse to believe it, what will you claim as fact?
The scientists are still alive Debrae, l did not choose dead ones. As l said that the list was not exhaustive. Do you really need to get me to go down the list until the present times because there were younger Scientists l could have presented. So, obviously you don't believe that mature scientists are more knowledgeable and experienced rather you despise them, making you ageist. You know Debrae this will be a shock for you but the first scientists were actually Christians. Some of the Muslims will be miffed if l don't acknowledge that they had scientists too! The Jews have always had a lot of scientists.
No, I am not ageist. Most of those scientists are about my age and I know the temper of the times in this county. The simple fact is that fewer scientists are Christians than any other sector in the population, and the newer scientists coming up have even less belief in the unseen, unheard and unprovable phenomena known as religion.

Many think of Galileo as the first real scientist (btw, he was excommunicated by the church for about 5 centuries for not just repeating the current interpretation of the Bible). Some think of Roger Bacon as the first scientist, but he borrowed heavily from the works of an Arab-Muslim scholar and his book. If you wish to research it yourself, fine. If you wish me to cite my sources, I will do so. After all, science is not a "thing" it is a systematic method and a scientist is one who uses that method to discover observable fact and to see if those observations can be replicated or if the results vary and why.

So, I'm afraid the shock is for you.

Last but not least, you stated that you "know for a fact" that your religion is the one and true way. That is the reason I keep asking you for these facts of yours.
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They believe there were night and day on earth before there was a sun?
WTF who they?
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<quoted text>Your focus is sex as you have come in from a sex forum.
I doubt that 80% of heterosexuals do sodomy.
That's because you're too dense to realize that "sodomy" means oral and anal sex.

And you live in some Middle Ages', christianist caliphate mindset where the idea that heterosexuals engage in oral (and anal) sex is like thinking that not everyone considers Old Country Buffet to the best gourmet food on the planet.

I mention those who covet or who disrespect their parents unrepentantly as much as I mention sodomy. We know who is sexually obsessed.

I'm stating a simple fact: You sick talibangelicals have an obsession regarding (male) homosexuals. You are cafeteria christianists.

The day you try to bar those who covet unrepentantly from adopting or from military service or from employment protections is the day I'll be incorrect on this, Jethro, you backwards, self deceiving, bigoted mullah.

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<quoted text>It would be ignorant and rude to attack people who don't have children.
But you don't let that stop you!
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It is not our business to demand to know if people have chosen not to have children or cannot have children or why they cannot have children. People who are heterosexual, mostly think that they can have children until they find out that they cannot.
In terms of heterosexual marriage people will have children or of they cannot it is not to be sneered at. One day God may use their sexual union to give them a child even in middle age.
There is no god.
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Children can be conceived through accident too, so those who don't want children may find that they will have a child and they will usually accept that scenario but if they go against God through having an abortion then that is something that they will answer to God about. Marriage is for the union and bonding of a male and female to protect and safeguard the women and children so that women are not abandoned in pregnancy and with little children to feed and look after. Men too are nourished by a natural family bond and knowledge that they are the father of their own children. This is the natural order. God accepts that adoption can be part of a natural order too, children given over to a married man and his wife. That is the norm that is being attacked in this age by devaluing marriage by putting it out to a two sisters or two brothers or 6 people all men or mixed sex. These are yet to come, but who says that these things will not happen now that marriage has been redefined.
Homosexuality cannot lead to procreation and those who put their seed in a dark place where the Son does not shine, where it cannot grow and flourish show their abhorrence for God and His plans for His Creation.

You homophobes like to equate homosexuality with anal sex, but most men into anal sex are straight, and lesbians don't have the equipment.

And what about blow jobs? Seed can't flourish on woman's face or in her stomach, or even on her breasts. Does god get his panties in a knot over BJs?
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You will not be allowed to behave in these ways under Islam and your marriage certificates will show who you are so they will find you through the offices of state that fall into their hands. When they find you sitting in your different abodes, split up, because you saw your fate , it will not save you, not even if you had run and joined a mosque and wore Muslim garb. You will die! Your days are numbered already! Do I want that to happen to you, no, l don't but l also want homosexuals to keep a low profile in terms of not promoting their sexual acts and being private between each other if you must, but not trying to get the state and the masses to agree with your immoral behaviour and teach that it's normal and corrupt children
Rose's Law: Morons with no real argument scream, "But what about the children!?"
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with the knowledge of these disgusting perverted practices. This is what I hold against homosexuals, that they are intent on corrupting the whole Nation.
Don't bother to attack me calling me a bigot who has shown my true colours and hatred. I have a right to tell you the truth, it is not decent what you do, and you hate God for saying that he does not approve of it. I don't hate you either, and bigot is just a modern demon word used to intimidate those who don't believe in what you are doing and saying.
It's clear you hate gay people.

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You did so, bigot-loon. You were whining about lgbt people because they don't [sic] procreate.
You just don't like having the moronic implications of your sexually ill, hypocritical, anti rational, cafeteria christianist "arguments" pointed out to you.
Now go rail against and obsess equally over those who unrepentantly covet...a cohort which has never occupied a single second of your tiny, malignant thoughts. Even though that's a _Commandment_.
You're mentally ill in every way. Educated society laughs at jaysus rubes like you.
Warner should also rail on those who work on Friday evenings and wear poly/cotton blends!

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warner wrote:
<quoted text>I did not know that l was also against cabbages and dogs who actually cannot produce children. Yes, we do know that dogs and bitches can produce pups. You use a stupid argument that as Homosexuals cannot produce children then it puts them on par with infertile people who are heterosexual.
Homosexuals can and do have kids. You're another idiot who has homosexuality and sterility confused.
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A human and horse cannot produce children together but that is not the reason l would be against the sexual acts that are committed by the man or woman.
I used to be into sadism, necrophilia and bestiality until I realized I was just beating a dead horse.
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It is perversions that l am against.
Who are you to be decide which sex acts are and aren't "perversions"?
Seems to me nothing is more another man's matter than his sex life.
"But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." 1 Peter 4:15
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Perverts go against God. I do not approve of peodophillia or adultery or murder or mayhem, theft or other sins either.
What about working on Saturday mornings? Exodus 35:2
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People should follow the teachings of Jesus and stop sinning.
Sticking your nose into other people's business is sinning.
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They need to allow God to take over their minds then they will find that they can control their bodies. God is for love but that does not include lust. God will not approve of homosex and bestiality or pedosex or group sex or adultery or multiple marriage.
Yes, l am a saint so l will preach to you. I will not spit on you or stone you but l will use the sword of Truth against you. If you haters of Christians start killing my people then our God will annihilate you once and for all. You think that you are so powerful now, but you are not, you delude yourselves.
I wouldn't bother killing you. You fundies just love to feel you are being persecuted.

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Actually when I witness to people about their need for salvation, I try to get a sense of what sin is their personal issue. Once that is discovered, I hit it again and again - because their consciences are agreeing with me inside them, while I am talking to them. Its very obvious because no matter what sin it is - they become very defensive about it.
If they really didn't believe what I was saying they would just quit the conversation.
No one gets more defensive than homosexuals.
If you are that convicted down here, what will you be like standing all alone in front of God's judgment seat?
I'd tell him to lick my clitoris until it shines like a mirror.
Unless there is an "ultra hell" what would I have to lose?

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