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Comment: Let's allow Christians to have their views

There are 1098 comments on the Belfast Today story from May 23, 2014, titled Comment: Let's allow Christians to have their views. In it, Belfast Today reports that:

Two clergymen sent the secularist 'Taliban' who dominate the media into fits of apoplexy this week.

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warner

Bathgate, UK

#334 Jun 27, 2014
Cast the First Stone wrote:
Views are just that, views. But once somebody gets in your face and tried to tell you that you are going to hell because you are not the right kind of Christian,mor Jew, or Muslim, then it gets to be an intrusion.
Religious views should be only given like advice, when asked for.
Never give unsolicited advice, never espouse unsolicited religious views.
Religion has corrupted government and government has corrupted religion.
It is a mess.
It is not a common practice for Christians to say that the wrong kind of Christian will go to Hell but l have explained to Jehovah's Witnesses that it is Jesus who saves and that is why he gave His Blood Offering to us, it is not if you follow what JW believe that saves. No one is going to Hell for taking a blood transfusion or celebrating Christmas or not believing that Arch Angel Michael was the One who came to Earth as Jesus.

However, the Bible does make clear that no one is good before God and that is the reason why Jesus needed to die for us so we would not go to Hell and He suffered for us, our sins. The idea that Satan will not be waiting to take sinners to Hell if they merely say sorry to God is sufficient is not correct and l believe the Bible. Everyone who has sinned has given gifts to Satan and those gifts are given never to be returned. Satan owns people because they have committed sins and only the free gift of the Holy Sinless Eternal Lord can cancel that sin.

If people want to take that risk, that gamble, then it's their choice, but l seriously believe that they are making the wrong choice and the consequences will be horrendous for them. I don't force anyone and Christians must not act like accusers because God is the Judge.

Government are paying heed to some Religion but not Christianity. The Church and State has been separated for some time now and Christianity is a Religion that's mocked. Christians are mocked, just like their Lord Jesus was mocked.
Sunni Life _ Good Life

Los Angeles, CA

#335 Jun 27, 2014
TIMESTEN wrote:
... don't insult me over what I believe!
Your abrahamic god was in fact a pedofile, a drug addict, a pusher and a pimp.

He was lawfully and justly sentenced to death for his crimes and executed!

Face the hard truth!
naman

Lillehammer, Norway

#336 Jun 27, 2014
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
One of my objections to Muhammed being a true prophet of God, is that he changed God's religion which had existed since man's earliest memories, Abel was accepted by God, at least partly on the basis of a blood sacrifice. Cain was rejected because his was not a blood sacrifice. God gave Cain a second chance, bringing the offering to his doof. He called it a sin offering, showing that in some way the blood sacrifice atoned for sin. The prophet Job offered blood sacrifices for the sins of his family. Abraham offered blood sacrifices. Noah offered blood sacrifices. Moses codified the whole sacrifice system, writing as much about it as he did the moral commandments. David offered blood sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins. Isaiah was forgiven by God on the basis of a blood sacrifice. He later wrote in chapter 53, that someday a Savior would come and be the sacrifice for sin for the whole world. Jesus Christ was that promised sacrifice for sin. This is as much a part of God's religion as good.works, and Muhammed ignored it altogether. Why? God doesn't change! The only religion today that acknowledges this part of God's religion is the religion of Jesus Christ.
Muhammad did not change Yahweh's/God's religion. He took an old pagan Arab god (al-Lah/Allah), decleared that he was the only god, and then built a religion around him - a religion which at the same time became Muhammad's own platform of power. He took elements from the old Arab religion, and from other religions around (f.x. the houries (in Persia named Paaris) and the bridge over Hell and more are from the old Persia). But much he took from what he believed was the old Judo/Christian religion. But as he did not know the Bible much, he took his stories from tales, legends, etc., and even if they often were inspired by the Bible, they very often were made up and from wrong to wildly wrong. To save his religion and platform of power, then Muhammad claimed he was right, but the Bible falsified.(Today it is proved that the Bible is not falsified. There may be some errors in it - f.x. the creation is different from what science tells - but it is not falsified.)

www.1000mistakes.com
Muhammadans, not Muslims.
TIMESTEN

United States

#337 Jun 27, 2014
I just love watching thin skinned gays stew in their own juice. Little gay crybabies just can't get away from being a DRAG, right.

BTW-I am wondering about your comments stating I am a walking hate crime, and that I seem dangerously unstable. I've seen that posted before by a real Sunni Muslim nutbag.

The response to him was that he should act like the man who is posting like a man. I realize that would be a huge stretch for you, should you try to back your CLAPTRAP up, like a real man that is.
TIMESTEN

United States

#338 Jun 27, 2014
Sunni Life _ Good Life wrote:
<quoted text>
Your abrahamic god was in fact a pedofile, a drug addict, a pusher and a pimp.
He was lawfully and justly sentenced to death for his crimes and executed!
Face the hard truth!
And another out of the closet gay heard from. And from the Golden Gay State too.

Sunni life-good life? I thought you Sunnis believe in the God of Abraham. Are you saying your Sunni god Allah was a pedo, a junkie, a pimp, and is dead?

Very interesting?
Quadratus

United States

#339 Jun 27, 2014
naman wrote:
<quoted text>
Muhammad did not change Yahweh's/God's religion. He took an old pagan Arab god (al-Lah/Allah), decleared that he was the only god, and then built a religion around him - a religion which at the same time became Muhammad's own platform of power. He took elements from the old Arab religion, and from other religions around (f.x. the houries (in Persia named Paaris) and the bridge over Hell and more are from the old Persia). But much he took from what he believed was the old Judo/Christian religion. But as he did not know the Bible much, he took his stories from tales, legends, etc., and even if they often were inspired by the Bible, they very often were made up and from wrong to wildly wrong. To save his religion and platform of power, then Muhammad claimed he was right, but the Bible falsified.(Today it is proved that the Bible is not falsified. There may be some errors in it - f.x. the creation is different from what science tells - but it is not falsified.)
www.1000mistakes.com
Muhammadans, not Muslims.
I understand that, but Mo claimed to be the last prophet in a long line of prophets - thus taking to himself their credibility - while at the same time denying everything they taught. That amazes me.

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#340 Jun 27, 2014
warner wrote:
<quoted text>I am not smug. You should have read between the lines of my post and noted that l said that l have my secrets with God. I know for a fact, knowledge not belief. The only reason you are not aware of God's existence is because you never walked towards him when he came nearer to you, no you walked the other way. So, now you say that God does not exist.
You have bought into the lie given by Satan and his followers who all don't do devil worship but at best they are earthy people. You are earthy and l am spiritual so we are at different places. That is why I would not force people to take an oath to God or force my Religion on them. That is what I explain to Muslims that you have a right to live. Muslims are not spiritual people anyway, they too are earthy,but in a different way from you. There's many different ways to be earthy.
Yes, smug and condescending.

Also, you presume to know my life and my own trials and tribulations, which is ludicrous at best. Then you proceed to condescendingly paint ALL Muslims with the same broad brush. Either you have an ego the size of the galaxy or you have made such foolish statements so often that you now believe yourself, IMHO.

I have bought into no lies, Satan is a storybook bogeyman and if you have factual knowledge then I would appreciate it if you would enlighten me. Seriously. Many Christians (Jews, Muslims, Hari Krishna, etc.) have touted facts that boil down to opinions whether you call it faith or belief. If you are different then by all means, proceed.
warner

Bathgate, UK

#341 Jun 27, 2014
DebraE wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, smug and condescending.
Also, you presume to know my life and my own trials and tribulations, which is ludicrous at best. Then you proceed to condescendingly paint ALL Muslims with the same broad brush. Either you have an ego the size of the galaxy or you have made such foolish statements so often that you now believe yourself, IMHO.
I have bought into no lies, Satan is a storybook bogeyman and if you have factual knowledge then I would appreciate it if you would enlighten me. Seriously. Many Christians (Jews, Muslims, Hari Krishna, etc.) have touted facts that boil down to opinions whether you call it faith or belief. If you are different then by all means, proceed.
First of all you need to realise fast that all Religions are not equal. Second it is Islam that l am against , a totalitarian and fascist regime masquerading as a Religion, not against Muslims as such as many of them are victims of Islam themselves.

Islam allows Muslims to lie for it and oppress and kill for it. Muslims are allowed to kill people at random who they claim have said anything negative about their prophet or Allah. They are also allowed to kill people who have left Islam and they are applauded for doing so. They are allowed to profit by legally acquiring the property of non muslims after they have murderers them so that promotes them to lay false charges.

Actually, l am not going to waste my time on you because you probably know these things anyway because you are just pretending to be an atheist but you are probably a Muslim. You are on an Islamic forum so try to learn more about Islam so that you can debate properly instead of coming on with not a bit of knowledge of Islam and its teachings and Warlord prophet Muhammad who claimed to rule through terror and did rule through terror. Islam has to hold people to it by terror or it will not survive.

Christianity is a about a relationship with God. Islam is not about a relationship with God, it is about outward show and being grossly judgemental..Christians don't kill those who don't want to be Christians. Islam is dangerous and every non-muslim should be united against it whether they are Christians of Buddhists or Jews or Athiests, Homosexuals , all non-muslims should be working together to defend their culture and their lives, not fighting against each other.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#342 Jun 27, 2014
Quadratus wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
What about Islams complete disregard for the theology of all the prophets that came before old Mo.

Like that makes sense.
What complete disregard?

Islam accepts only the God of Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Issac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and all other prophets.

What disregard are you talking about?

Is it Islam's complete disregard and rejection of the alleged Christian triune God?

It is Christianity that has in fact completely disregarded the prophets and has butchered God into three.

All the prophets, including Jesus and Muhammad glorified and praised only the LORD Almighty and Christianity glorifies and praises a man and his mother instead of the LORD Almighty.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#343 Jun 27, 2014
Kareem O Wheat wrote:
Well it seems to me that Muslims do what you are talking about more than anybody. so what really ARE you talking about?
Hello, Seeker

I was passing by and found this page interesting.

Glad to see you here. So, what will be your contribution here?

Only questions but never answer policy? lol!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#344 Jun 27, 2014
Quadratus wrote:
I understand that, but Mo claimed to be the last prophet in a long line of prophets - thus taking to himself their credibility - while at the same time denying everything they taught. That amazes me.
At least he was honest and had the decency and never claimed to be God like the son of Mary is reported to have done. Right?

Through Qur'aan, he refuted and condemned Trinity, denied that God had a son and made it known that Jesus was neither murdered nor crucified.

Christians have been taught what Jesus preached not! Right? Almost 98% of Christianity's beliefs are post-Jesus fabrications.

This, my friend, is a fact, which you cannot deny!
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#345 Jun 27, 2014
naman wrote:
<quoted text>
Muhammad did not change Yahweh's/God's religion. He took an old pagan Arab god (al-Lah/Allah), decleared that he was the only god, and then built a religion around him - a religion which at the same time became Muhammad's own platform of power. He took elements from the old Arab religion, and from other religions around (f.x. the houries (in Persia named Paaris) and the bridge over Hell and more are from the old Persia). But much he took from what he believed was the old Judo/Christian religion. But as he did not know the Bible much, he took his stories from tales, legends, etc., and even if they often were inspired by the Bible, they very often were made up and from wrong to wildly wrong. To save his religion and platform of power, then Muhammad claimed he was right, but the Bible falsified.(Today it is proved that the Bible is not falsified. There may be some errors in it - f.x. the creation is different from what science tells - but it is not falsified.)
www.1000mistakes.com
Muhammadans, not Muslims.
Greetings, 1000+ mistakes

The Christian Bible is full of 1,000+ forgeries, frauds and corruptions. Care to discuss with me?

Cheers
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#346 Jun 27, 2014
warner wrote:
<quoted text>First of all you need to realise fast that all Religions are not equal. Second it is Islam that l am against , a totalitarian and fascist regime masquerading as a Religion, not against Muslims as such as many of them are victims of Islam themselves.
Islam allows Muslims to lie for it and oppress and kill for it. Muslims are allowed to kill people at random who they claim have said anything negative about their prophet or Allah. They are also allowed to kill people who have left Islam and they are applauded for doing so. They are allowed to profit by legally acquiring the property of non muslims after they have murderers them so that promotes them to lay false charges.
Actually, l am not going to waste my time on you because you probably know these things anyway because you are just pretending to be an atheist but you are probably a Muslim. You are on an Islamic forum so try to learn more about Islam so that you can debate properly instead of coming on with not a bit of knowledge of Islam and its teachings and Warlord prophet Muhammad who claimed to rule through terror and did rule through terror. Islam has to hold people to it by terror or it will not survive.

Christianity is a about a relationship with God. Islam is not about a relationship with God, it is about outward show and being grossly judgemental..Christians don't kill those who don't want to be Christians. Islam is dangerous and every non-muslim should be united against it whether they are Christians of Buddhists or Jews or Athiests, Homosexuals , all non-muslims should be working together to defend their culture and their lives, not fighting against each other.
Hello, I am prepared to waste my time on you.

Stop lying! Islam does not allow Muslims to lie.

Christianity is not at all about relationship with God. That is a blatant lie. It is all about relationship with a man, who was falsely turned into God by pagans.

Just look at this great lie: "Jesus is God".
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#347 Jun 27, 2014
warner wrote:
<quoted text>If people want to take that risk, that gamble, then it's their choice, but l seriously believe that they are making the wrong choice and the consequences will be horrendous for them. I don't force anyone and Christians must not act like accusers because God is the Judge.
Jeesus xrist, you should ease up on the unrepentant coveters, mullah.

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#348 Jun 28, 2014
warner wrote:
<quoted text>First of all you need to realise fast that all Religions are not equal. Second it is Islam that l am against , a totalitarian and fascist regime masquerading as a Religion, not against Muslims as such as many of them are victims of Islam themselves.
Islam allows Muslims to lie for it and oppress and kill for it. Muslims are allowed to kill people at random who they claim have said anything negative about their prophet or Allah. They are also allowed to kill people who have left Islam and they are applauded for doing so. They are allowed to profit by legally acquiring the property of non muslims after they have murderers them so that promotes them to lay false charges.
Actually, l am not going to waste my time on you because you probably know these things anyway because you are just pretending to be an atheist but you are probably a Muslim. You are on an Islamic forum so try to learn more about Islam so that you can debate properly instead of coming on with not a bit of knowledge of Islam and its teachings and Warlord prophet Muhammad who claimed to rule through terror and did rule through terror. Islam has to hold people to it by terror or it will not survive.
Christianity is a about a relationship with God. Islam is not about a relationship with God, it is about outward show and being grossly judgemental..Christians don't kill those who don't want to be Christians. Islam is dangerous and every non-muslim should be united against it whether they are Christians of Buddhists or Jews or Athiests, Homosexuals , all non-muslims should be working together to defend their culture and their lives, not fighting against each other.
Religions are not equal? They are different in particulars, but (and pardon me for saying so) you are only espousing the opinion of a Christian. Other religions have devout followers who declare just as vehemently that their religion is the one and only.

Yes we have seen much violence in the Nation of Islam, apparently you choose to forget the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, the conversion of Native Americans, etc. Seems many religions have their growing pains doesn't it?

Now you're assuming that I'm a Muslim? ROTFLMBO! You are reaching desparately now;0)

I am accessing this thread from the Gay/Lesbian Forum, you'll have to speak to topix about their policies of cross posting if you have a problem with that.

Where are these "facts" you were going to reveal? Seriously, now's your chance to shine.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#349 Jun 28, 2014
warner wrote:
Islam is dangerous and every non-muslim should be united against it whether they are Christians of Buddhists or Jews or Athiests, Homosexuals , all non-muslims should be working together to defend their culture and their lives, not fighting against each other.
Ummm sugar;
.
'homosexual' is sexual orientation; not religion
.
Gay guys are born with the same sexual orientation their MOTHER was born with; attracted to men
.
Gay girls are born with the same sexual orientation their FATHER was born with; attracted to women
.
Sexual orientation is not a choice; but religion IS a choice
.
So this puts us in the unique position of being a common thread within ALL the religions of the World
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4142/4760275339...
warner

Bathgate, UK

#350 Jun 28, 2014
DebraE wrote:
<quoted text>
Religions are not equal? They are different in particulars, but (and pardon me for saying so) you are only espousing the opinion of a Christian. Other religions have devout followers who declare just as vehemently that their religion is the one and only.
Yes we have seen much violence in the Nation of Islam, apparently you choose to forget the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, the conversion of Native Americans, etc. Seems many religions have their growing pains doesn't it?
Now you're assuming that I'm a Muslim? ROTFLMBO! You are reaching desparately now;0)
I am accessing this thread from the Gay/Lesbian Forum, you'll have to speak to topix about their policies of cross posting if you have a problem with that.
Where are these "facts" you were going to reveal? Seriously, now's your chance to shine.
You agree with me that all Religions are not equal. We should work on this day and age about how the people of particular religions behave. Why because we were not there when the crusaders fought against Muslims and we get different historians saying different things about those battles. The Crusaders went out to fight against Muslims who were invading Christian dominated lands and raping, beheading, doing all manner of atrocities against Christians in the name of Allah Baal and Muhammad. The Crusaders stopped Islam from coming here to these Lands and for that l am grateful. Egypt and Syria and Iraq, Afganistan were all Christian dominated Lands changed from paganism (not atheism) and happy lands to live in unlike today.

Of course, people think that their concept of God is correct but Christianity worships God not the outward style of worship which is meaningless. If Muslims worshipped the God Christians worship Yahweh, there would be no problem but they don't and in this day and age they act as barbarians killing non-muslims and when their numbers increase they will go forth and kill and the first people to die will be homosexuals. People will not be allowed a homosexual lifestyle. Christians don't prevent homosexuals from having a homo lifestyle but we believe that it is wrong and if you challenge Christians who are practicing Christians and not part of apostacy they will say that they don't accept homosexual marriage or a gay lifestyle. They will try to say that as politically correct as possible and they will say in truth that they don't hate homosexuals but don't agree with their behaviour. Christians don't kill homosexuals and Christians don't believe in running the Government so under Christianity homosexuals have increased. That is a true claim that Muslims make because they believe that Christians in the West should be running the State and not allow homosexuality to flourish so they say when Muslims take over they will run everything, the State, and Sharia Law will deal with homosexuals.

I am not on this forum to argue with homosexuals. I accept that Christians don't rule the Land. I accept that Athiests have a right to live.Christians are not the problem.

As for you coming in from the gay forum, if something is posted as a topix subject that is running in the Islam forum it will be Religionists or people who are for Islam or against it that the debate will be between. Christian Scriptures and praise for Jesus is being given to address a counter argument from Muslims, but not to address gaybee lifestyles, and you are seeing it as Christians posting on your gay forum promoting a Christian lifestyle and Jesus their Lord so you may think that it is a condemnation of a gay lifestyle that they are attacking. It is not and it was not.
warner

Bathgate, UK

#351 Jun 28, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummm sugar;
.
'homosexual' is sexual orientation; not religion
.
Gay guys are born with the same sexual orientation their MOTHER was born with; attracted to men
.
Gay girls are born with the same sexual orientation their FATHER was born with; attracted to women
.
Sexual orientation is not a choice; but religion IS a choice
.
So this puts us in the unique position of being a common thread within ALL the religions of the World
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4142/4760275339...
Go tell that to Muslims sugar? You will not be allowed a gaybee lifestyle sweetie, under the Mullahs. I don't want you walking through the East End of London babe in a pink tootsie if you are a rainboy as opposed to a raingirl, because they will beat you badly babe. Even if you are a raingirl l would not advise it unless you are wearing a black burka, rainbow burkas are not acceptable babe.
warner

Bathgate, UK

#352 Jun 28, 2014
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello, I am prepared to waste my time on you.
Stop lying! Islam does not allow Muslims to lie.
Christianity is not at all about relationship with God. That is a blatant lie. It is all about relationship with a man, who was falsely turned into God by pagans.
Just look at this great lie: "Jesus is God".
We have the Quran scripture that says that Muslims are allowed to lie and that is the proof that you are lieing on your post. You have been informed many times that Mary, mother of Jesus, is not part of the Trinity. Mary is respected, but l thought that she was respected by Muslims too?

God is multi-dimensional that is what Christians mean.

The Quran gives the Muslims the Allah as god, who has no human image and is good and evil, and it only likes Muslims. Muhammad is the considered to be divine prophet of Islam because there is a crime of blasphemy against saying negatives about Muhammad which is punished by death if Muslims are in control in a Land.

The Bible gives Yahweh as God, who does have a human image and He is 100% good. Jesus is considered to be the divine Son of Yahweh. It is considered by Christians that negatives said about Jesus is blasphemy but we don't punish anyone for Blasphemy, we leave their punishment in the hands of God alone.

The big difference between Christians and Muslims is that Muslims are cruel and Christians are merciful.

As for Muslims declaring that Christians are blasphemous for making Jesus a partner with God,, muslims are making Muhammad as a partner with the Allah. Totally same thing but Muslims top it by bringing a black stone into their worship, their Religion.

Christians declare that Muslims are blasphemous against Jesus so both religionists are accusing each other of the same thing. Only Christians don't kill people for blasphemy because they leave the judgment of that in the hands of God.

So, it definitely should be left to the judgement of God as to the punishment for Blasphemy if it was blasphemous in His eyes, because what is blasphemy to a participant of a particular religion is not seen as blasphemy by the counter religion. So, Muslims are out of order to think that they are the judges. I tell you this, l think it very blasphemous to say that God is not multi-dimensional, but l will leave God to Judge Muslims over the matter.

“Common sense prevails.”

Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#353 Jun 28, 2014
warner wrote:
<quoted text> "concepts" "behavior" pre-emptive strikes, "agree" "dislike" etc, etc.
Still none of those "famous facts" I see. Only your opinions and let's face it, like erm...noses, everybody has one;0)

Epic fail.

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