Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Studies based on fraternal birth order:

In the mid 1990s, researcher Ray Blanchard studied families in which there is a male child with a homosexual orientation. He found that a gay man is more likely to have older brothers than older sisters. He found that the probability that a male child will grow up as a homosexual increases by about 33% for each brother born before he was. Blanchard suggests that this effect may be caused by an immune response within the mother during pregnancy. 11,12,13 According to the program 60 Minutes, recent studies have shown that this effect only happens among right-handed brothers. 28

11 Op cit, Matt Ridley, Page 161.
[Note, the work cited was this: Matt Ridley, "Nature via nurture: Genes, experience, and what makes us human," HarperCollins,(2003).]
12 R. Blanchard, "Fraternal birth order and the maternal immune hypothesis of male homosexuality," Hormones & Behavior, 2001, 40, Pages 105 to 114.
13 R. Blanchard & L. Elllis, "Birth weight, sexual orientation, and the sex of preceding siblings," Journal of Biosocial Science, 2001, 33: Pages 451 to 467.
28 60 Minutes episode, 2006-MAR-12.

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Studies based on existing families:

Psychologist Michael Bailey of Northwestern University and Psychiatrist Richard Pillard of Boston University studied the sexual orientation of male siblings raised together since birth. 9 He found that if one was homosexual then the chance of their sibling being homosexual was:

* Fifty two percent for their identical twin, who shared 100% of the same genes. This result was essentially identical to the separated identical twin studies described below. It shows that if one identical male twin is gay, then the other twin will probably also be gay -- whether raised in the same family or raised by different families.
* Twenty-two percent for their non-identical twin; they share half of the same genes
* About 10% for adopted or non-twin brothers; they share none to half of the same genes.

This study also points to a very strong genetic factor at the time of conception. This type of study tends to have the same flaws as in the identical twin studies described below. The second twin might not be willing to admit to being homosexual. One sibling could be bisexual and identify themselves to the interviewer as a homosexual; the other could also be bisexual and be behaving as a homosexual.

J. M. Bailey, R. C. Pillard and others conducted a similar study of female identical twins raised in the same family, in which one twin identified herself as a lesbian. 14 The results showed that 48%(34 out of 71) of their twins also said that she is homosexual. Again, a very strong genetic component is indicated.

9 Dean Hamer & Peter Copeland "The Science of Desire: The Search for the Gay Gene & the Biology of Behavior", Simon & Schuster (1994)

14 Dean Hamer et al, "A Linkage Between DNA Markers on the X Chromosome and Male Sexual Orientation" Science 261 (1993-JUL-16): pp 321-27.

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Direct study of genes:
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Dean Hamer, and his colleagues at the National Cancer Institute collected family data from the families of 114 gay men. 15 They found out which, if any, of their siblings, parents, cousins, uncles etc. were also gay. They quickly determined that homosexuality runs in families. By itself, these results show nothing. They might indicate that homosexuality is genetically caused, or might show that it is caused by upbringing, by some hormonal levels in the womb or some other environmental factor that appears in some family lines more than other.

Further studies showed that "There were increased rates of gay people among family members genetically related to each other even when raised apart in different households." This reinforced the possibility that genetic factors might cause people to become gay. However, these observations were not conclusive; they were merely suggestive.

What proved the genetic nature of "gayness" was a pedigree test. This type of study examines the sexual orientation of the ancestors of many gay adults - both on their father's and mother's side. Some possible results from a pedigree study on Hamer's sample of gay adults would be:

1. An approximately equal number of gays might be found on the mothers' side of the family, when compared to the fathers' side. Some gays may have many gay ancestors on their mother's side, whereas other gays may see the same effect on their father's side. But when all the results were lumped together, if the total numbers would be about equal, then the results could point to:
* "Gayness" being caused by environmental factors, or
* "Gayness" being caused by some gene on a chromosome other than the X chromosome.
2. A much larger number of gays might be found on the mother's side of the family. This would show conclusively that not only was the gene passed genetically, but that it is located somewhere on the X chromosome - since men always get their X chromosome only from their mother. This is called the "maternal effect." It is well known in genetics.

The researchers found that the second result was observed. A gay male from the population that Hamer studied would notice that more of his mother's brothers will be gay than his father's brothers; so too with the various classes of maternal cousins when compared to his paternal cousins. Thus, much male homosexuality is caused by a gene on the X chromosome. Hamer went on to find the approximate location on the chromosome where the gay-causing gene was located. He found that many of his subjects had an identical sequence on the Xq28 region of their X chromosome. This shows the approximate location of the "gay gene." Researchers speculated that a group of interacting genes (including one in this region) might be found to determine sexual orientation in males. This prediction came to pass. The statistical "p" value is a measure of the significance of a test: the probability that it could have happened by chance. P values less than 0.01 (1%) are considered very significant. The Hamer study had a P factor of 0.00001, and so is considered extremely reliable.

The DNA of 36 pairs of lesbian sisters were also studied; no corresponding pattern has yet been found.

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The Hamer group's results on gay males must be regarded as tentative:

* Dr. Alan Sanders, professor of psychiatry at the University of Chicago attempted to replicate the results on 54 sets of gay brothers. He announced at the American Psychiatric Association's annual conference in 1998-JUN that he was unsuccessful. "No [genetic] marker data reached statistically significant criteria." The results of the pedigree test on Sander's subjects is not known.
* George Rice's selected subjects from carefully selected families in which the pedigree test was the reverse of Hamer's: gays were found in the father's line, not the mother's line. As expected, the markers that Hamer found were not found by Rice. 16 One might conclude that:
o Some gays have many gay ancestors in their mother's line but not in their fathers' line. This was the group from which Hamer drew his subjects. They share genes on their X chromosome that apparently can cause a gay orientation.
o Other gays have the reverse pedigree pattern: they have many gay ancestors in their father's line but not their mother's. One would not expect them to have gay-causing genes on their X chromosome. Rice was unable to find any.

15 Mike Haley, "Straight Answers: Exposing the myths and facts about homosexuality," Focus on the Family, Love Won Out series,(2000), Page 9.

16 Kerby Anderson, "Homosexual Theology," at: http://www.probe.org/docs/homotheo.html

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Studies on monozygotic twins:
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These are twins that resulted from the splitting of a single fertilized egg -- the zygote -- into two separate zygotes with identical genetic structure. It can happen at any time prior to about 14 days after conception. They are commonly called "identical twins." Studying these twins, researchers can determine whether a trait such as homosexuality is determined by the environment or by genetics or by a combination of both. The technique involves the study of pairs of identical twins who were separated at birth and raised in different families without later contact. Being identical twins, they would have the same genetic structure. But being raised independently in different families (often in different states), they would mature (at least after birth) and experience totally unrelated environments, family types, family sizes, parenting methods, level of abuse, etc. Fortunately, a U.S. university maintains an index of twins who were raised separately since birth.

Schizophrenia occurs in about 1% of the adult population. In previous decades, the disorder was believed to be caused by incompetent parenting. Studies of identical twins overturned this belief. They showed that if one twin was schizophrenic, the chances of the other twin having the disorder is 65%. This shows that schizophrenia has a very strong genetic component. 17 Decades ago, autism was also blamed on the parents. Identical twin studies turned up similar results: if one twin was autistic, there was a 68% chance that the other was also autistic. 17 Similarly the cause of homosexuality has been attributed to lack of bonding between a child and the same-sex parent. This belief has been abandoned by almost all mental health professionals. However, many religious conservatives still promote this principle. Studies of identical twins have shown that if one twin is gay, the other has about a 55% of also being gay. Again, there is a very strong genetic component at work.

Assume as a working assumption that 5% of adults are gay. A typical study would involve:

* The interview of perhaps 2,000 males, all of whom had separately raised monozygotic twins.
* The identification of about 100 gays.
* Tracking down the other twin in each case, to determine their sexual orientation.

Two possibilities are:

* There is no genetic basis for sexual orientation. That is, a statement by Parents and Friends of Ex-gays is correct: "To date, all information and studies involving genetics have proven homosexuality to be environmental, not genetic." Then one would expect close to 5% of the second twins would also be gay.
* A homosexual orientation is totally caused by genes. One would then expect that between 0 and 100% of the other twin would also be gay, depending upon a property of the gene called its "penetrance."

This type of test has been performed by various groups of researchers. The first such study found that 100% of the second twins were also gay. But this study was based on a very small sample size; the results it turned out to be a statistical fluke. Subsequent, larger, tests all reported that somewhat in excess of 50% of the second twins are also gay. This indicates that genes play a very significant role in determining sexual orientation. however, the number is not 100%. This indicates that environment plays a role in determining sexual orientation. It might be an event in the womb, or in early childhood. Other studies, explained below, show that a person's eventual sexual orientation is determined before they reach school age.

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One problem with this and similar studies is that the researchers can ask what a person's orientation is, but not necessarily get a valid answer; a gay individual may be so firmly "in the closet" that they will not admit even to a stranger what their actual orientation is. Also, most studies classify subjects as either heterosexual or homosexual. A bisexual person might be involved with persons of the opposite gender and consider themselves to be heterosexual; their twin may also be bisexual but be involved with members of the same gender, and identify themselves as homosexual. Another problem is that identical twins share the same environment (their mother's womb) for the 9 months prior to birth. Thus, if there is a environmental factor which determines sexual orientation, it might work on the fetus before birth. This series of replicated studies proves beyond any doubt that at least male homosexuality is largely determined before birth. As the American Psychological Association's statement on homosexuality in 1994-JUL asserts: "Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth..."

17 Op cit, Matt Ridley, Pages 103 &104
18 [Note, the work cited is: Matt Ridley, "Nature via nurture: Genes, experience, and what makes us human," HarperCollins,(2003).]

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Study of eye blinking inhibition:
In 2003-OCT-2, researchers at University of East London and at King's College announced the results of a study which differentiates between homosexuals and heterosexuals. They studied groups of homosexual and heterosexual men and women and found significant differences in an involuntary response to being startled with bursts of loud noises. This is formally called "prepulse inhibition" or (PPI). Subjects were exposed to a low level noise, followed by a strong noise. Researchers measured the strength of the involuntary eye-blink responses. These data were then compared to similar strength measurements taken after exposure to a loud noise without the preceding low level noise. The lower the response, the stronger the level of inhibition. "The reaction of the lesbian test subjects was closer to that which would be expected among straight men. And, gay men reacted closer that of women, although to a lesser extent."
They found that the average PPI was:
40% for heterosexual men.
32% for gay men.
13% for heterosexual women
33% for lesbians.
Startle responses is known to be an involuntary response rather than learned reaction. It controlled by the limbic system, a region of the brain that also controls sexuality. One of the researchers, Qazi Rahman, said: "The startle response is pre-conscious and cannot be learned...This is very strong evidence that sexual orientation may be 'hard-wired' in this region" of the brain. The researchers claimed that "this study offers the first independent evidence of a non-learned neurological basis for sexual orientation." Dr. Rahman said: "These findings may well affect the way we as a society deal with sexuality and the issues surrounding sexual orientation." 1 to 4
1. "Sexual orientation 'hard-wired' before birth - startling new evidence revealed in the blink of an eye," University of East London, 2003-OCT-2, at: http://www.uel.ac.uk/
2. Peter Moore, "Gay in the blink of an eye," RainbowNetwork.com , undated, at: http://www.rainbownetwork.com/
3. Patrick Letellier, "Study hints sexual, gender identity in genes," PlanetOut, 2003-OCT-22, at: http://www.planetout.com/
4. "Sexual Orientation Related Differences in Prepulse Inhibition of the Human Startle Response" Behavioral Neuroscience magazine, 2003-OCT, published by the American Psychological Association.

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NIH study of multiple genetic origins to male homosexuality:
The Hamer study, described above, showed that the Xq28 region of the X chromosome can cause a propensity towards homosexuality. Brian Mustakski of the University of Illinois in Chicago and colleagues at the National Institutes of Health searched for additional genes among other chromosomes which might be also involved in causing male homosexuality.
Two articles analyzed his paper in Human Genetics journal and reached opposite conclusions:
One article, published in LifeSite, a conservative Christian web site, concluded that Mustakski was unable to prove the involvement of other chromosomes. This supported their belief that genes are not involved in homosexuality. 5
The other article, published in GayLife, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexual support group) reached the opposite conclusion: that genes are involved in homosexuality. 6
Both articles are correct in what they report. However, they interpret the results to confirm their pre-existing beliefs about the cause of homosexuality
Mustaksi remarked: "It's the largest molecular genetic study ever done on sexual orientation." He said: "There is no one 'gay' gene. Sexual orientation is a complex trait, so it's not surprising that we found several DNA regions involved in its expression." They found three such locations. They studied the DNA of persons from 146 families in which there was at least two gay brothers. They included brothers from the 40 families use in the Hamer study of 1993, as well as from 106 new families.
Brothers share about 50% of their genes. The study searched for markers -- short strips of DNA that commonly correspond to specific parts of a chromosome. If all of the brothers in the study shared any specific marker significantly more than 50% of the time, then the researchers would have found a genetic link to homosexual orientation.

They detected three chromosomal regions on the human genome more than 50 percent of the time; they were on 7, 8, and 10. Of these, a region 7q36 on chromosome 7 was shared most frequently. Since males "inherited this region from their fathers just as often as their mothers, a finding that suggests genes from both parents can contribute to a son's sexual orientation." 5
As in previous studies, they were unable to confirm the results of Hamer's discovery of the Xq28 region of the X chromosome as a cause of homosexuality among their 146 test subjects. However, when they retested the 40 pairs that Hamer had used, they found that Xq28 could contain genes linked to sexual orientation. Mustanski refers to this as "locus heterogeneity" '- a situation in which one gene might influence sexual orientation in one family, but not in another family. Recall that Hamer's study selected only gays who had a surplus of gays in their mother's side of the family. Mustanski said:
"The fact that we found suggestive evidence of different areas where there might be genes for sexual orientation builds upon the research that's been done on family studies, twin studies, and previous molecular genetic studies which are consistently showing evidence of genetic influences."

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NIH study of multiple genetic origins to male homosexuality:
The chromosome 7 finding may shed new life on a Dutch study. A gene near 7q36 is known to be responsible for the creation of a brain center called the suprachiasmatic nucleus. A Dutch research team in 1990 found that men with a homosexual orientation have a larger suprachiasmatic nucleus than heterosexual men. Mustanski said: "Perhaps this gene results in different brain structure and that brain structure causes someone to be heterosexual or homosexual."

Richard Pillard, a psychiatrist at Boston University specializing in sexual orientation suggests that Mustanki's study should be repeated with a larger number of genetic markers. He said that this study:
"Doesn't come up with a definitive answer. The first step is to say,'yes there's a genetic contribution.' The next step is to say,'well how are these genes expressed in the brain, as we presume they must be'?"
Mustanski concluded that:
"There's a converging line of evidence between the hormonal studies, the genetic studies, and the neuroanatomical studies. My research has identified candidate genes within these new chromosomal regions that could link together all of these different findings." 5
Warren Thockmorton and Ray Durwood are professors at the Grove City College -- a conservative Christian college which rejects "relativism and secularism." 7 They reviewed the Mustanki study and said:
"The authors describe in the article three non-X chromosomal 'new regions of genetic interest'(7q36, 8p12, and 10q26). In the authors' view, a noteworthy aspect of the study as follows:'Our strongest finding was on 7q36 with a combined mlod score of 3.45 and equal distribution from maternal and paternal allele transmission. This score falls just short of Lander and Kruglyak's (1995) criteria for genomewide significance.' They go on to say 'two additional regions (8p12 and 10q26) approached the criteria for suggestive linkage'- again pointing out that neither was statistically significant." 6
If one assumes that the propensity towards homosexual orientation is determined by an interaction of many genes, then no region on any one chromosome can be expected to be conclusively proven. The finding that the chromosome 7 was very close to significant probably shows that it must be significant in some male homosexuals.
It is worth noting that most studies into the causes of homosexuality seem to show that about 10% of individuals are set up to be potentially homosexual by some gene or combination of genes. However, only about 55% of them are triggered by an unknown environmental factor during early childhood so that they will develop as homosexuals after puberty. The Mustanski study shows that, if this theory is correct, some combination of multiple genes is involved, rather than a single gene.
5. Ariel Whitworth, "Studies Suggest Multiple Genes Contribute to Sexual Orientation," Gay Life, 2005-FEB-18, at: http://www.bgp.org/
6. "New Genetics Study Undermines Gay Gene Theory," LifeSite, 2005-FEB-10, at: http://www.lifesite.net/
7. "The Mission of Grove City College," at: http://www.gcc.edu/

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Hearing sensitivity:
A group of researchers at the University of Texas found structural differences in the inner ears between lesbians and heterosexual women. On average, women have more sensitive cochlea amplifiers than men; they are able to detect softer sounds in a very quiet room. The researchers found that lesbians had inner ear characteristics that were more like those of men. The structure of the inner ear forms before birth and is affected during pregnancy by androgens. 9 These findings indicate that sexual orientation is at least partly decided before birth -- perhaps at conception.
1. "Lesbian Ears", The Globe and Mail, Toronto ON, 1998-MAR-19.

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Ear Emissions:
Everyone's inner ears produce very weak sounds called "spontaneous otoacoustic emissions." These cannot normally be heard by other persons, but can be detected by sensitive instruments. The Washington Post reported that:
Dennis McFadden and Edward G. Pasanen of the University of Texas in Austin and colleagues compared the emissions of 60 homosexual and bisexual women with those of 57 heterosexual women. As a group, the homosexual and bisexual women's emissions were slightly more like that of men: less frequent and weaker than those of the heterosexual women, the researchers found.
One explanation could be that homosexual and bisexual women were exposed to slightly different levels of hormones when they were developing in the womb, causing subtle changes in their development, the researchers say.
"For us, the most plausible explanation is that the inner ears of the non-heterosexual women were partially masculinized at some time in development, possibly at the same time that whatever brain structures are responsible for sexual orientation were also masculinized," says McFadden, whose study is featured in the April [1999] issue of the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America. 10

10. "Sexuality and Ear Emissions," Science Notebook, Washington Post, 1999-APR-05, Page A07. Online at: http://equake.geol.vt.edu/

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Response to pheromones by gay men:
Researchers of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden. divided 36 subjects into three groups of 12 each: heterosexual men, heterosexual women and homosexual men. All were healthy, unmedicated, right handed, and HIV negative, of similar age and of comparable educational level. Each subject sniffed a series of odors, while PET scans were taken of their brain activity.
When ordinary odors such as lavender and cedar, were used, all subjects experienced similar activity in the part of their brain that handles smells.
When chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones, their reaction was different:
o When gay men and heterosexual woman were exposed to the smell of testosterone, the part of their brain that deals with sexual response was activated. Heterosexual men did not show this reaction.
o When heterosexual men were exposed to testosterone, there was no sexual response in the brain.
o When heterosexual men were exposed to estrogen, there was a sexual response.
Ivanka Savic, lead author and associate professor of neurology at the Institute said:
"The experimental conditions were standardized and identical in all subjects. When adding to the improbability of chance activation by [testosterone] in homosexual men in the brain area very similar to heterosexual women, it seems convincing that we detected an undistorted physiological response."
Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada, who was not part of the Swedish research team, commented: "It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned." She said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.
The study was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science on 2005-MAY-10. 11,12
11. "Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheromones," Associated Press, 2005-MAY-09, at: http://start.earthlink.net/
12. Oliver Moore, "Response to scent is linked to sexual tendency. Researchers study brains of gay men and straight women," The Globe and Mail, 2005-MAY-10, Page A1. Online at: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/ This is a temporary listing.

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Response to pheromones by lesbians:
A research team led by Ivanka Savic at the Karolinska Institute repeated the above study on lesbian subjects. They found that lesbians' brains react differently to sex hormones than those of heterosexual women.
Straight women found male and female pheromones about equally pleasant and about equal in intensity; lesbians and straight men found the male hormone more intense than the female one.
Both straight men and lesbians subjects liked the female hormone more and found the male hormone to be more irritating. Most heterosexual women were more likely to be irritated by the female hormone.
Their study was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on 2006-MAY-09. According to Associated Press: Both this study and the previous one on gay males "...add weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical basis and is not learned behavior." Sandra Witelson, a specialist on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at McMaster University in Hamilton, ON, Canada, who was not part of the research effort, said "The important thing is to be open to the likely situation that there are biological factors that contribute to sexual orientation." 13
13. Randolphe Schmid, "Sexuality may be in the genes - Study. Lesbians react similarly to men. Researchers test brain differences," Associated Press, 2006-MAY-09.

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Neuroscientist Charles Wysocki led a team at the Monell Chemical Senses Center in Philadelphia, PA. They studied the response of 82 heterosexual men, gay men, heterosexual women and lesbians to the odor of underarm sweat. The samples were collected from 24 donors who varied in sex and sexual orientation. They found that:
Gay men differed from heterosexual men, lesbians and heterosexual women; they preferred odors from other gay men.
Heterosexual men, lesbians and heterosexual women differed from gay men; odors from gay men were least preferred by the others.
This study has two conclusions:
Gay men produce sweat with one or more unique odor components not found in either heterosexual men, heterosexual women and lesbians.
Gay men perceive sweat odors differently from heterosexual men, heterosexual women and lesbians.
Wysocki said:
"Our findings support the contention that gender preference has a biological component that is reflected in both the production of different body odors and in the perception of and response to body odors."
The Associated Press reported that:
"In particular,....[Wysocki] said, finding differences in body odors between gay and straight individuals indicates a physical difference. It's hard to see how a simple choice to be gay or lesbian would influence the production of body odor, he said." 11
11. "Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheromones," Associated Press, 2005-MAY-09, at: http://start.earthlink.net/

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homosexuality and christianity are not compatable with each other
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If I'm a moron what does that make you? Admit it. You don't like the truth.
You unfortunately haven't told any truth.....just spouted your beliefs and they have NO PLACE in our Government!!!

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Ear Emissions:
Everyone's inner ears produce very weak sounds called "spontaneous otoacoustic emissions." These cannot normally be heard by other persons, but can be detected by sensitive instruments. The Washington Post reported that:
Dennis McFadden and Edward G. Pasanen of the University of Texas in Austin and colleagues compared the emissions of 60 homosexual and bisexual women with those of 57 heterosexual women. As a group, the homosexual and bisexual women's emissions were slightly more like that of men: less frequent and weaker than those of the heterosexual women, the researchers found.
One explanation could be that homosexual and bisexual women were exposed to slightly different levels of hormones when they were developing in the womb, causing subtle changes in their development, the researchers say.
"For us, the most plausible explanation is that the inner ears of the non-heterosexual women were partially masculinized at some time in development, possibly at the same time that whatever brain structures are responsible for sexual orientation were also masculinized," says McFadden, whose study is featured in the April [1999] issue of the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America. 10
10. "Sexuality and Ear Emissions," Science Notebook, Washington Post, 1999-APR-05, Page A07. Online at: http://equake.geol.vt.edu/
Show me the article that a gay gene has been found. Make sure its peer reviewed.
Keep in mind that even if a gene were found it still would not justify homosexuality. Genes also don't determine behavior.

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A person's sexual orientation is not necessarily fixed. This has been shown to be the case in young people who are confused at one time in their lives and not in another when they get older.
We do know that some adult men are homosexuals today because they were molested as children. There also seems to be a connection when the father is absent in a child's life and in some cases leads to homosexual tendencies.
Ex-lesbian lover of actress Ellen DeGeneres married a cameraman. This would not have been possible if what you say were true.
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There are folks who are BISEXUAL as well as those who QUESTION their sexual orientation.....but for most of....our sexual orientation is fixed.......Anne Heche IS NOT the poster child for someone who is NOTHING more than Bisexual at best!!!

Sorry, but your abuse claim is BS......there are many who were abused as children and ARE NOT GAY OR LESBIAN.......please parrot something else......we've debunked this crap over time and time again!!!

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The same could be argued for group marriages and a father marrying his adult daughter.
Society gains nothing from same sex marriages. They don't procreate on their own and they are not the building blocks of society. Only traditional marriage is. Only it can procreate and give a balanced parenting to children.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.

Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals.

Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him.

Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time: the need for man to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.

Research has shown the determining factor for success is the quality of the parent child relationship, not the gender of the parent.

Yes, two are better than one in a perfect world, but the gender is not the determing factor. Gay people do just as well, if not better, becasue they are always motivated, while straight couples are not always motivated, and sometimet resentful and abusive.

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