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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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#15449 May 20, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Isn't it a coincidence that you're a Caucasian male in America and just so happen to be a Christian? Wouldn't it be just as big a coincidence if you were an Arab male in Saudi Arabia and just so happened to be a Muslim?
No.

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#15450 May 20, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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You're convinced of the Bible's truth by your faith in Jesus and the Bible. So, you're convinced that it's true because you believe it's true. How is that not exactly a circular argument?
Well if you actually understood your original comment you would know, but as you don't then you don't. Can't help you understand something you are obviously biased about NOT accepting.

“ reality, what a concept”

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#15451 May 20, 2013
Stan53 wrote:
You don't have to know them, they are self evident. Matthew 7:16
They are and what you have, not figs. You chose them, it isn't God's fault, despite your protestations to the contrary.

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#15452 May 20, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>They are and what you have, not figs. You chose them, it isn't God's fault, despite your protestations to the contrary.
Now I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you know what figs represent in the NT? Do you know what Matthew 21:18-22 is even about?

“ reality, what a concept”

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#15453 May 21, 2013
I'm well aware what Jesus was talking about and from my reading, you weren't listening. Typical, faith as vast as the ocean, but with all the depth of a teaspoon.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#15454 May 21, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
I'm well aware what Jesus was talking about and from my reading, you weren't listening. Typical, faith as vast as the ocean, but with all the depth of a teaspoon.
It's worse then that, it's as small as a mustard seed.

That is why what you have isn't faith.

Smile.
Concerned Expat

London, UK

#15455 May 21, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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How's that working out for you? Support for SSM continues to grow, in spite of your opinions.

Homophobia is growing faster than homosexuality. The future for homosexuals is loathing on Earth and Hell after death.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

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#15456 May 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Open your eyes idiot.
Better yet, go to Saudi Arabia and ask them to legalize ss marriage.
Smile.
That doesn't explain why faith in Jesus and the Bible is valid and faith in Mohammed and the Koran is not.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#15457 May 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
It's worse then that, it's as small as a mustard seed.
That is why what you have isn't faith.
Smile.
Bunny, you might work on your reading/writing comprehension, because you just insulted the heck out of a fellow Christian with that one. Calling his faith as small as a mustard seed, tsk, tsk, tsk. I never claimed to have a faith, I was and you ended up, talking about his.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#15458 May 21, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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That doesn't explain why faith in Jesus and the Bible is valid and faith in Mohammed and the Koran is not.
Yes it does. That is why you wouldn't be saying there what you are saying here.

Idiot.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#15459 May 21, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Bunny, you might work on your reading/writing comprehension, because you just insulted the heck out of a fellow Christian with that one. Calling his faith as small as a mustard seed, tsk, tsk, tsk. I never claimed to have a faith, I was and you ended up, talking about his.
You only confirm my evaluation of your faith. You may want to stick with denial, you don't understand faith, and you reject reality.

He clearly has all the faith necessary.

Smirk.

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#15460 May 21, 2013
Stan53 wrote:
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Truth is the same in ANY language, and is NOT effected by it. The written laws in the OT have nothing to do with truth. I don't pick and choose anything, God does. He now writes His truth on our hearts and minds, which is how He designed His New Covenant.
Hi, Stan. Good to see another Canadian. I don't think I have seen you before; at least not by that name (some here have multi names so it is hard to keep track).

We seem to have a lot of disagreements on Topix from Christians and former Christians (like myself) about what is Truth, or what parts of the Bible are important and what are not. We have some of the most prolific posters here that state that all of the Bible is the
Word of God, and none is to be changed.

Of course, we know that no one follows that these days, at least not in the west, because many of the commands in the OT would get one life in prison, or death in parts of the USA.

I am from a very Christian family, with ministers, and very active Christians amongst my immediate family.

I, however, in the past 20 years or so have become an atheist. If you already know me then there is no need to go further, because I have posted most of this, likely, several thousand times.

In regard to your above post, can you honestly say without any reservations that you 100% believe what you have posted?

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#15461 May 21, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
I'm well aware what Jesus was talking about and from my reading, you weren't listening. Typical, faith as vast as the ocean, but with all the depth of a teaspoon.
That is just equivocation and obfuscation. An actual relevant answer is lacking here. I'll make a mental note.

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#15462 May 21, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Hi, Stan. Good to see another Canadian. I don't think I have seen you before; at least not by that name (some here have multi names so it is hard to keep track).
We seem to have a lot of disagreements on Topix from Christians and former Christians (like myself) about what is Truth, or what parts of the Bible are important and what are not. We have some of the most prolific posters here that state that all of the Bible is the
Word of God, and none is to be changed.
Of course, we know that no one follows that these days, at least not in the west, because many of the commands in the OT would get one life in prison, or death in parts of the USA.
I am from a very Christian family, with ministers, and very active Christians amongst my immediate family.
I, however, in the past 20 years or so have become an atheist. If you already know me then there is no need to go further, because I have posted most of this, likely, several thousand times.
In regard to your above post, can you honestly say without any reservations that you 100% believe what you have posted?
Hey boooots.

I am new on Topix...still not sure if I'll stay here. Too many trolls IMHO.

Sorry to hear about your apostasy and I will offer a prayer for your spiritual sight.

I was born again in 1971 and have been a BIBLE believing Spirit filled Christian for over 42 years. I retired a few years ago and have been making a tour of Christian forums.

Yes, I can HONESTLY say I believe 100% in what I post.

I confirm as Paul did in 2 Timothy 1:12; [i][/b]I am not ashamed, for I know in whom I have trusted and I am fully convinced that he is able to guard my deposit until that day.[/b][/i]

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

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#15463 May 21, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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God tells us we will give an account of every word. How will you do when you face Jesus? Oh, that's right. You don't believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Well, you will face Him anyway. There will be no place for you to hide. Try reading Revelation. Oh, that's right, you don't believe John either, correct?
Threats of my facing a false god do not worry me. I am not worried about being on Santa's naughty list, either.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#15464 May 21, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Let's examine homosexuality graphically...
The sodomites (man on man) poke their dicks in each others ass. Putting one mans dick in another mans ass is not normal or natural.
"Natural" is defined by what appears in nature. Since EVERY species of mammal, and numerous avian species as well, all have demonstrated members engaged in same sex mating behavior, including life long pair bonds in those species that do such, homosexuality is quite obviously natural.
OldJG wrote:
Gee, that does not sound like God's plan does it? God's plan appears in Genesis 2:22, "And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man."
Gee, God brought the woman to the man. God did not bring the man to the man.
Apparently, God misunderstood your instructions as to how He was supposed to do things.
OldJG wrote:
The lesbians poke their strap-ons in each others vagina and lick each other like lap dogs.
Gee, that does not sound like God's plan. Genesis 2:22, "And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man."
God brought the woman to the man. God didn't bring the woman to a woman.
Let me see. Is there any doubt God made woman FOR the man. No. No doubt!
Wow! Imagine that. When creating a couple that He intended to breed and have children, God made them both heterosexual. Boy did He get lucky that neither was gay. Unless... maybe He planned for that? Maybe He made SURE that they both had straight genes. Naw. Couldn't be. God could not possibly have thought of that in advance...
OldJG wrote:
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Still twisting scripture to justify your perversion?
The word for love used in II Samuel 1:26 is Strong's H160 - ahabah defined as follows:
1) love
a) human love for human object
1) of man toward man
2) of man toward himself
3) between man and woman
2) God's love to His people
This is NOT love in a sexual context. Example: I love chocolate. He loves oatmeal. They love to see the Cubs lose.
Do you get it now Mr. Pervert?
So, ahabah refers to the love of a man for a woman. No problem. I think that it is great for husbands to love their wives. And as you just pointed out, ahabah ALSO refers to men loving men, just like David loved his husband Johnathan. Since YOU just pointed this out, why do you continue to have a problem with this?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

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#15465 May 21, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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A MUCH better question: Why do you keep calling God a liar?
Why do you? I am just going with what the Bible says. You are saying that the Bible lies when it warns people against false prophets.

Simple test: did Paul teach people to ignore the Laws in the Torah, including circumcision and food laws, yes or no?

If the answer is yes, then Paul was a false prophet, as defined in Deuteronomy. If the answer is no, then how do you explain all those comments in letters purportedly written by Paul?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#15466 May 21, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Not for God's people. We have the New Covenant.
"not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers"
Jeremiah 31:31-32 (NKJV)
31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
Quoting out of context is just another form of lying. Reading Jeremiah IN context CLEARLY shows that he is referring to the same old covenant that was given to Moses, but people would know the Law perfectly so that none would ever need to study it again.

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Pay attention here:

Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Obviously, Israel did NOT cease to be a nation for ever, so those ordinances have not departed...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

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#15467 May 21, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Gays will burn in Hell forever. The Bible overrules your opinions.
Genesis 13:13 (NKJV)
13 But the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the LORD.
Yes, those men of Sodom were exceedingly inhospitable to guests...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#15468 May 21, 2013
Stan53 wrote:
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Who exactly is being "disenfranchised"
I'm more concerned with the "Biblical" definition of marriage than I am the legal one.
So, one man and as many wives, concubines and females slaves as he can afford?

Or were you referring to the Bible's celebration of the marriage of David and Johnathan?

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