Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Truth

Leesburg, VA

#14907 May 9, 2013
Biblical ethics are not based on human success, but on God's standards for truth.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#14908 May 9, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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"abomination"
Leviticus 20:13 (NKJV)
13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
Again: eating shrimp is also an abomination.

Again: collecting firewood on the Sabbath is also a capital offense.

So, homosexuality was just as bad as eating shrimp and collecting firewood on the Sabbath.

Why do you keep quoting OT laws and punishments, by the way? Didn't Jesus ever appear in your Bible?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#14909 May 9, 2013
The lack of instant justice does not mean God is slack with His ethical standards.

Ecclesiastes 8:11

11 When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#14910 May 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
Realize that morality is to be measured by God's standards and not human criteria for what is right.
Yes. Commanding genocide, condoning rape and slavery and incest, commanding murder, commanding infanticide, accepting human sacrifices in exchange for favors, THESE are all moral because they were done by God. But, if WE were to do any of these things, we'd be horrible monsters.

What is a double standard?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#14911 May 9, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I made no claim God exists.
I simply noted the difference between morality and ethics.
However, millions of intelligent people with better comprehension than you disagree about God's existence.
Smile.
Argument from authority fallacy.

Which of those people is an expert on the existence of God?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#14912 May 9, 2013
Sound ethics are tested first with small responsibilities before greater ones are given.

Luke 16:10-12

10 “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much.

11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches?

12 And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#14913 May 9, 2013
Ethics cannot exist apart from a standard of right and wrong.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#14914 May 9, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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1. The lack of comprehension is all yours. I agreed with you about the Hebrew law, ignored the other gods, and simply pointed out the basis of your ethics. You have no morality, you follow self regulated ethics only when convenient.
2. I didn't refer to Jewish efforts to obey the laws. I noted the profound survival and success of the culture, just as the Alien prophesied on the mountain.
*You only expose your bigotry by the comment about Christians and Muslims.
3. Jews do not obey the Laws because of the threat of hell. There is no doctrine of hell in Judaism.
4. A Christian obeys because of love and trust.
John 14:15 (NJB)
15 If you love me you will keep my commandments.
There is NO intrinsically 'right thing' in ethics. In fact, the only intrinsic mandate in soulless evolution is survival at any cost.
Smile.
Why didn't you address any of these?

1) Only the children of Israel are under the Laws of the God of the Bible.
2) Other peoples have their own Gods, and those Gods handed down moral laws for Their people to follow.
3) Morality exists separate from the laws given by the Gods.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#14915 May 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
Sound ethics are tested first with small responsibilities before greater ones are given.
Luke 16:10-12
10 “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much.
11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches?
12 And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?
I'm sorry, I thought you had a point.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#14916 May 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
Ethics cannot exist apart from a standard of right and wrong.
Yes, they can. All that is required is a spectrum of favorability of outcomes from given possible choices of actions.

"Right" and "wrong" are just labels we place on actions. But, is the same action necessarily only ever "right" or "wrong?" Is it wrong to shoot a person? Maybe. Maybe not. Is it right to eat another human being? Sometimes. Is child sacrifice to a magical being for which there is no evidence wrong? Ha! Trick question. That involves mental defect (a popular mental defect, but a defect nonetheless). Ethics for the mentally defective are like applying the rules of baseball to the galaxy. You can try, but there's no point to it.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#14917 May 9, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Yes, they can. All that is required is a spectrum of favorability of outcomes from given possible choices of actions.
"Right" and "wrong" are just labels we place on actions. But, is the same action necessarily only ever "right" or "wrong?" Is it wrong to shoot a person? Maybe. Maybe not. Is it right to eat another human being? Sometimes. Is child sacrifice to a magical being for which there is no evidence wrong? Ha! Trick question. That involves mental defect (a popular mental defect, but a defect nonetheless). Ethics for the mentally defective are like applying the rules of baseball to the galaxy. You can try, but there's no point to it.
Conscience.....

It is the awareness of a moral or ethical aspect to one’s conduct together with the urge to prefer right over wrong.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#14918 May 9, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Yes, they can. All that is required is a spectrum of favorability of outcomes from given possible choices of actions.
"Right" and "wrong" are just labels we place on actions. But, is the same action necessarily only ever "right" or "wrong?" Is it wrong to shoot a person? Maybe. Maybe not. Is it right to eat another human being? Sometimes. Is child sacrifice to a magical being for which there is no evidence wrong? Ha! Trick question. That involves mental defect (a popular mental defect, but a defect nonetheless). Ethics for the mentally defective are like applying the rules of baseball to the galaxy. You can try, but there's no point to it.
The conscience can be struck.

2 Samuel 24:10

10 David was conscience-stricken after he had counted the fighting men, and he said to the Lord,“I have sinned greatly in what I have done. Now, Lord, I beg you, take away the guilt of your servant. I have done a very foolish thing.”

It condemns us or pierces the "Heart."

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#14919 May 9, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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I think they were just obsessed with male genitalia myself.
Not "just".

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#14920 May 9, 2013
snyper wrote:
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So you don't support such mass murders? You certainly cite your interpretation of the section frequently enough.
Which is it?
What mass murders? No interpretation needed. The Bible is perfectly clear. Gays will burn in Hell forever.

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#14921 May 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
Realize that morality is to be measured by God's standards and not human criteria for what is right.
Who says?

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#14922 May 9, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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He just texts me. Here's His latest text:
"LOL. Dollarsbill is a douche. LOL"
Why do gays and lesbians make such ignorant posts?

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#14923 May 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
Ethics cannot exist apart from a standard of right and wrong.
Consult the history of the terms you use ... preferably BEFORE you use them.

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#14924 May 9, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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ROTFLMAO
Go have another drink bro.
"the lake of fire" "tormented" "forever"

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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#14925 May 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Conscience.....
It is the awareness of a moral or ethical aspect to one’s conduct together with the urge to prefer right over wrong.
Prove that it exists.

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#14926 May 9, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Again: eating shrimp is also an abomination.
Again: collecting firewood on the Sabbath is also a capital offense.
So, homosexuality was just as bad as eating shrimp and collecting firewood on the Sabbath.
Why do you keep quoting OT laws and punishments, by the way? Didn't Jesus ever appear in your Bible?
Homosexuals "will not inherit the kingdom of God".

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

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