Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Moses

Burbank, CA

#12408 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
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Also please look up the definition of the word. It does not say man and woman. This is straight from Wikipedia.
Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that establishes rights and obligations between the spouses, between the spouses and their children, and between the spouses and their in-laws.[1] The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures,
Please get an education, The word homosexual has only been around since 1853.

Wikipedia has simply redefined the definition of marriage.

If we take the Middle East position on same sex coupling, then by definition we are to kill you all.

Yes, spouses and so let us define a spouse. So, by definition a spouse is a husband who has a wife.

Word Origin & History

spouse

c.1200, "a married woman in relation to her husband" (also of men), from O.Fr. spus (fem. spuse), from L. sponsus "bridegroom" (fem. sponsa "bride"), from masc. and fem. pp. of spondere "to bind oneself, promise solemnly," from PIE *spend- "to make an offering, perform a rite" (see
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12409 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Also please look up the definition of the word. It does not say man and woman. This is straight from Wikipedia.
Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that establishes rights and obligations between the spouses, between the spouses and their children, and between the spouses and their in-laws.[1] The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but it is principally an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged. When defined broadly, marriage is considered a cultural universal. In many cultures, marriage is formalized via a wedding ceremony. In terms of legal recognition, most sovereign states and other jurisdictions limit marriage to opposite-sex couples or two persons of opposite gender in the gender binary, and a diminishing number of these permit polygyny, child marriages, and forced marriages. In modern times, a growing number of countries and other jurisdictions have lifted bans on and have established legal recognition for same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, and interfaith marriage. In some cultures, marriage is recommended or compulsory before pursuing any sexual activity.
People marry for many reasons, including: legal, social, libidinal, emotional, financial, spiritual, and religious. Marriages can be performed in a secular civil ceremony or in a religious setting. The act of marriage usually creates normative or legal obligations between the individuals involved. Some cultures allow the dissolution of marriage through divorce or annulment. Polygamous marriages may also occur in spite of national laws.
Marriage can be recognized by a state, an organization, a religious authority, a tribal group, a local community or peers. It is often viewed as a contract. Civil marriage is the legal concept of marriage as a governmental institution irrespective of religious affiliation, in accordance with marriage laws of the jurisdiction. Forced marriages are illegal in some jurisdictions.[2]
between the spouses and their children.....

***Their*** children....adopted.....can't reproduce!
Moses

Burbank, CA

#12410 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly!! The only arguments I've heard against same sex marriage are.
The Bible says so
It's Icky
The Bible says so
I don't like it
The Bible says so
They can't reproduce
The Bible says so
Etc its like discussing something with a 4 year old.
Before your gay anger sets in, please tell us what arguments you have heard against incest, polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality?

Would it also be:

The Bible is opposed...
They're Icky
I don't like it
The Bible is opposed...
well, let me see, some incest couples can produce, polygamist can, and many pedophilia couples can. I guess that leaves only same sex couples and bestiality couples as not being able to ever produce.
The Bible is opposed..
Etc.. yes your position is like discussing something with, well an infant!!!!
Moses

Burbank, CA

#12411 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
Smoke and mirrors smoke and mirrors. Fear is the greatest emotion you can use against people. That's why those authors of that fiction book you follow used it so often. Scare people into doing what we want. If your book truly taught love acceptance and forgiveness all of you bible thumpers wouldn't always be spewing hatred.
Come on, don't act like a child.

Please explain how the concept of "hell", which you claim to not exist or believe in, can cause fear in you. If the book is fiction, then where does the fear come into play.

Actually, since you come from the position of hate and self hatred, then that is all you can see.

Now, since you are acting like a child, please explain how a Christian, who has received salvation, love and eternal life, can ever have fear concerning either?

Your fear is based on your lack and inadequacies. We are offering you something worth more than a billion dollars, a gift. The fear can only be in you, based on not having anything of comparable value.

If we offered a billionaire a billion dollars, he would set the conditions, because he has no fear and no lack. You, quite the contrary.
Konnon

Pittsburgh, PA

#12412 Apr 5, 2013
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Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#12413 Apr 5, 2013
Moses wrote:
<quoted text>janeebee: HE WOULDN'T DO IT! wHY NOT? Why would He,.....He's omniscient!
Yes, but God did not make you stupid and foolish, that is your freewill and choice. God did not make youd void or reason and blind to His Holy Word, satan did that, and that is your choice.
These 10,000 years, which are known as "time", have but one purpose, to show that a creation, humans, who have freewill and choice, will choose hell and damnation, which 1/3 of the angels will receive, but that Christians have chosen salvation and heaven, which 2/3 of the angels have.
God is a just God, the 1/3 angels are damned, because they were created without freewill and choice, you are damned because you have freewill and choice, and you choose to reject God's word, reject Jesus and to follow satan.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Didn't it ever cross your mind that God made each person with their own sexuality?
Moses

Burbank, CA

#12414 Apr 5, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
In terms of legal recognition, most sovereign states and other jurisdictions limit marriage to opposite-sex couples or two persons of opposite gender in the gender binary, and a diminishing number of these permit polygyny, child marriages, and forced marriages.
Please go back and read, so you can discover these words "most sovereign states and other jurisdictions limit marriage to opposite-sex couples or two persons of opposite gender in the gender binary".
THE PERVERSION OF THIS IS MUCH LIKE PERVERSION IN GENERAL.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#12415 Apr 5, 2013
Christianity had to evolve it's view of racism and sexism. It's homophobia is no different. It will either have to evolve or die from irrelevance. How many Christians today argue that slavery should be re-instituted? Or that interracial marriage should be illegal? Or that women should not have the right to vote? In the future, Christians will have to apologize for their current homophobia just as they now spin their previous support of racist and sexist ideology.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#12416 Apr 5, 2013
Moses wrote:
<quoted text>Before your gay anger sets in, please tell us what arguments you have heard against incest, polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality?
Apple, meet orange.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#12417 Apr 5, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
Snyper: "Can God create something which He cannot destroy utterly?"
God CAN do it, BECAUSE He's omnipotent. But if He did it, would He still be?
HE WOULDN'T DO IT! Why not? Why would He,.... He's omniscient!
You yourself just showed that the idea of omnipotence is self-contradictory. Furthermore, the Bible doesn't portray God as either omnipotent or omniscient, so where do you get the idea that God is either of those things?

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#12418 Apr 5, 2013
Moses wrote:
<quoted text>janeebee: HE WOULDN'T DO IT! wHY NOT? Why would He,.....He's omniscient!
Yes, but God did not make you stupid and foolish, that is your freewill and choice. God did not make youd void or reason and blind to His Holy Word, satan did that, and that is your choice.
These 10,000 years, which are known as "time", have but one purpose, to show that a creation, humans, who have freewill and choice, will choose hell and damnation, which 1/3 of the angels will receive, but that Christians have chosen salvation and heaven, which 2/3 of the angels have.
God is a just God, the 1/3 angels are damned, because they were created without freewill and choice, you are damned because you have freewill and choice, and you choose to reject God's word, reject Jesus and to follow satan.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Moses: "...God did not make you stupid and foolish... God did not make youd void or reason and blind to His Holy Word,..."

Yes, I know. And until you stop being that way yourself, "you are damned".
"IT IS THAT SIMPLE."

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#12419 Apr 5, 2013
Moses wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, it would be 9 states and 10 countries. So, not in 41 states and not in 190 countries.

Fact is, marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman.

Just like a tree is not a house, although many houses are made from trees. So, the fact that some idiots think that the definition can be changed, only makes them dumb. Remember, you atheists also defined the earth as flat and now many of you think that man's oldest mammal ancester is a rat.

What does the word "homosexual" even mean? You do not even know, since it is a bastardized word from to languages.

Consider, what the word "homo sapien" means and then what does "sexual" mean?

The fact is you do not want to know, just like the words deviant and perversion aptly describe same sex acts, but you do not like the tone.

When is a suicidal same sex person or one with AIDS ever happy? So, the word "gay" is not apropos.
Not worth my time. Bigots like you are the problem.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#12420 Apr 5, 2013
Moses wrote:
<quoted text>Please get an education, The word homosexual has only been around since 1853.

Wikipedia has simply redefined the definition of marriage.

If we take the Middle East position on same sex coupling, then by definition we are to kill you all.

Yes, spouses and so let us define a spouse. So, by definition a spouse is a husband who has a wife.

Word Origin & History

spouse

c.1200, "a married woman in relation to her husband" (also of men), from O.Fr. spus (fem. spuse), from L. sponsus "bridegroom" (fem. sponsa "bride"), from masc. and fem. pp. of spondere "to bind oneself, promise solemnly," from PIE *spend- "to make an offering, perform a rite" (see
Well then move to the Middle East dumb ass.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#12421 Apr 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>between the spouses and their children.....

***Their*** children....adopted.....can't reproduce!
So if I adopt its not my child? I beg to differ.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#12422 Apr 5, 2013
Moses wrote:
<quoted text>Come on, don't act like a child.

Please explain how the concept of "hell", which you claim to not exist or believe in, can cause fear in you. If the book is fiction, then where does the fear come into play.

Actually, since you come from the position of hate and self hatred, then that is all you can see.

Now, since you are acting like a child, please explain how a Christian, who has received salvation, love and eternal life, can ever have fear concerning either?

Your fear is based on your lack and inadequacies. We are offering you something worth more than a billion dollars, a gift. The fear can only be in you, based on not having anything of comparable value.

If we offered a billionaire a billion dollars, he would set the conditions, because he has no fear and no lack. You, quite the contrary.
I don't fear anything that does not exist I'm talking about the fear that the bible instills in the dumb people that follow like sheep.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#12423 Apr 5, 2013
Moses wrote:
<quoted text>Before your gay anger sets in, please tell us what arguments you have heard against incest, polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality?

Would it also be:

The Bible is opposed...
They're Icky
I don't like it
The Bible is opposed...
well, let me see, some incest couples can produce, polygamist can, and many pedophilia couples can. I guess that leaves only same sex couples and bestiality couples as not being able to ever produce.
The Bible is opposed..
Etc.. yes your position is like discussing something with, well an infant!!!!
Gay anger that's a new one. I'm guessing you made that up too, maybe you can add it to your fictional book. You know the Bible. As far as those other topics, if you want to discuss them start a new topic on here otherwise stay on topic. I know that's hard when you are on the losing side of a debate. Grasping for straws are we??

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#12424 Apr 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>between the spouses and their children.....

***Their*** children....adopted.....can't reproduce!
Spouses meaning any same sex couple that is currently married in the 10 states that allow it currently. I was married and divorced so if I had children with her and then married a man I wouldn't be the father anymore. Many same sex couples find surrogates, I'm pretty sure that's the same with straight couples they do this also does that mean they aren't the parents? Many same sex and straight couples adopt does that mean they aren't parents either. Your argument has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12425 Apr 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
In 1912 Piltdown Man hit the headlines. Evidence of the evolutionary 'missing link' between apes and humans had been found, in England. For the next 40 years this momentous discovery influenced research into human evolution.
Then in 1953 Piltdown hit the headlines again, this time revealed as a hoax, a scientific fraud of shocking proportions. Who did it and why? Follow the story so far.
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/science-of...
Of course, the important lesson from Piltdown was that it was the SCIENTISTS that identified it as a fraud. The ONLY reason that it even lasted as long as it did was British chauvinism (or outright racism) at wanting to keep the oldest human ancestor as British and not African.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12426 Apr 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
"Then God said,'Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind..."
It is a natural fact.
Living things reproduce after their own kind.
Ducks have baby ducks.
It is not only a biological fact, but also a spiritual fact.
And if you isolate a population of ducks long enough from all other members of that duck species, eventually you will have a new species of duck. Continue the experiment still longer (tens of thousands of generations) and you just might end up with a new genus.

Formally, a duck can be describes as follows:
Aves
Neornithes (Modern Birds)
Galloanserae (fowl, ducks and relatives)
Anseriformes (Ducks, Geese, and relatives)
Anatidae (Ducks, Geese, Swans)
And finally, as a specific example:
Cairina moschata, commonly known as the muscovy duck

So, take a population of Cairina moschata and isolate them from all other ducks, especially all other muscovy ducks, and keep them separated for a few hundred generations in conditions slightly different from that of the population in the wild and you will find that they no longer breed with populations of muscovy ducks that were NOT kept in this isolation - they have become a separate species. To make up a name, let's call them "Cairina liamra".

From there, take those "Cairina liamra" and again slightly change the living conditions in which you are raising them, perhaps tweak it a couple of times over the decades, and eventually, you will have a species that is no longer "Cairina liamra", it is no longer even in the genus of Cairina at all.

At this time it would still be part of Anatidae, changing family is harder than changing genus, but over enough time, it could be done. And that is the ultimate point of all this: over time, small changes add up to be big changes.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#12427 Apr 5, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
The biblical record is quite clear.....—that the genetic code was designed to copy itself faithfully.
In Genesis 1:11-12 we read:“And God said, let the earth put forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind, wherein is the seed thereof upon the earth, and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, the herb yielding seed and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind whose seed was in itself.”
Now, look at these scriptures and figure out the importance:
Leviticus 11:13-23
13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture,
14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven,
16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk,
17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl,
18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey,
19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
20 “‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you.
21 There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground.
22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.
23 But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean.
The most ancient human records engraved on stone or painted on the walls of caves bare witness to the fact that horses have ever been horses, bears have ever been bears, geese have ever been geese, reindeer have ever been reindeer.
Funny that you should mention horses, since the fossil record of the ancestors of horses is VERY well documented, tracing every step of the way through time, all the way back to the dawn horse ancestor Eohippus, over 50 million years ago.

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