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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16098 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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#11160 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Just because something is legal doesn't mean its moral or right. On Judgment Day God's Laws will be what counts.
That means that we can ignore you now.

good.

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#11161 Mar 24, 2013
Happy Easter Sock wrote:
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Of course committing adultery one time makes someone an adulterer. An adulterer is someone that committed adultery. There is no number of times required. It only takes once to no longer be a virgin. It only takes one murder to be considered a murderer. Just because they may not do it daily does not mean they weren't a murderer.
But yes, if he repents and "sins no more" then he will be forgiven of that act.
The forgiveness was always there unasked and unearned.

This is not the same as "righteousness".

The litmus test given in Matthew is far different from your soteriology.
Rainbow Kid

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#11162 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Why don't you start a thread on 'adultery'?
Because gays are exempt from adultery
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Jesus personally exempts from adultery: men who have no natural attraction to women
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Here's Jesus:
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Matthew 19:9> "And I say vnto you, Whosoeuer shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away, doth commit adultery."
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Matthew 19:10> ¶ His disciples say vnto him, "If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marrie."
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Matthew 19:11> But hee said vnto them, "All men cannot receiue this saying, saue they to whom it is giuen."
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Matthew 19:12> "For there are some Eunuches, which were so borne from their mothers wombe: and there are some Eunuches, which were made Eunuches of men: and there be Eunuches, which haue made themselues Eunuches for the kingdome of heauens sake. He that is able to receiue it, let him receiue it."
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http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/

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#11163 Mar 24, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text> If a man has sexual concourse outside of marriage, he in fact has committed adultery. Now if that same man divorces his wife and then weds the other woman, they, the man and his new wife would be living a life of sin.
Lets just face the facts, Bill, we all live a life of sin. If we didn't, Jesus and his act of atonement was just a was of time. Every day people sin, they repeat the same sins. We are human, broken, busted, creatures. God sent himself, in the form of man, his name was Jesus. He was sin free, are you Jesus? Think about that real hard before you respond.
You have chosen homosexuality as your Bailiwick of sins. You have placed less value on other sins, God does not roll like that.
"atonement" is just one among many TRADITIONAL soteriologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_soteri...

dollarsbill

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#11164 Mar 24, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That means that we can ignore you now.
good.
Please do.

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#11165 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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The NT is from Greek.
The Saulian/Nicene writings definitely are, but the oldest "gospel" (the Gospel of the Hebrews) was in Hebrew-Aramaic. Both Mark and Matthew, as well as parts of the Pshitta were derived from it.

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#11166 Mar 24, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Because gays are exempt from adultery
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Jesus personally exempts from adultery: men who have no natural attraction to women
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Here's Jesus:
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Matthew 19:9> "And I say vnto you, Whosoeuer shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away, doth commit adultery."
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Matthew 19:10> ¶ His disciples say vnto him, "If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marrie."
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Matthew 19:11> But hee said vnto them, "All men cannot receiue this saying, saue they to whom it is giuen."
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Matthew 19:12> "For there are some Eunuches, which were so borne from their mothers wombe: and there are some Eunuches, which were made Eunuches of men: and there be Eunuches, which haue made themselues Eunuches for the kingdome of heauens sake. He that is able to receiue it, let him receiue it."
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http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/
From the KJV:

Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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#11167 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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This thread is about gays. Now you know.
It's not. You've just been working overtime to make it so.
CWU

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#11169 Mar 24, 2013
Ephesians 5:1-20

Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.

Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.

Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord.

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light.

This is why it is said:

“Wake up, sleeper,

rise from the dead,

and Christ will shine on you.”

Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.

Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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#11170 Mar 24, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The Saulian/Nicene writings definitely are, but the oldest "gospel" (the Gospel of the Hebrews) was in Hebrew-Aramaic. Both Mark and Matthew, as well as parts of the Pshitta were derived from it.
"The majority view is that all of the books that would eventually form the New Testament were written in Koine Greek."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Testamen...

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#11171 Mar 24, 2013
snyper wrote:
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It's not. You've just been working overtime to make it so.
"Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?"

dollarsbill

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#11172 Mar 24, 2013
just the facts wrote:
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Dirty Old Men? Theologian Mel White3 agrees that the Greek word arsenokoitai, used for “homosexual” in 1Corinthians6:9, seems to refer to same-sex behavior. He argues that Greek scholars don’t know exactly what it means, however, and that this simple detail is a big part of this tragic debate.4
He explains,“Some scholars believe Paul was coining a name to refer to customers of ‘the effeminate call boys.’ We might call them ‘dirty old men.’ Others translate the word as ‘sodomites,’ but never explain what that means.”5
According to White, in 1958, a translator for the New Amplified Bible set historical precedent by translating this “mysterious” Greek word into English as the word “homosexuals,” even though no such word exists in either Greek or Hebrew. It was that translator, according to White, who “placed the word homosexual in the English-language Bible for the very first time.”6
White blames this bad translation for the inability of many NT scholars today to make the proper, culturally relevant application of this passage in 1Corinthians. He adds,“In the past, people used Paul’s writings to oppress women and limit their role in the home, in church, and in society. Now we have to ask ourselves,‘Is it happening again? Is a word in Greek that has no clear definition being used to reflect society’s prejudice and condemn God’s gay children?’”7
So what is the proper contextual meaning of this mysterious Greek word? The convincing argument from history that Paul is putting forth, White says, is a condemnation of the “married men who hired hairless young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure just as they hired smooth-skinned young girls for that purpose.”8
In light of this interpretation of the meaning of arsenokoitai, White concludes with an emotional appeal:“Responsible homosexuals would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests and priestesses in Rome. So…this passage says…nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.”9
Hence arsenokoitai does not refer to homosexuality in general, to female homosexuality, or to the generic model of pederasty. It certainly cannot refer to the modern gay model, he affirms (109). This is Scrogg’s interpretation of the term in 1 Tim 1:10 also. The combination of &#960;&#972;&#961; &#957;&#959;&#953; (pornoi,“fornicators”), arsenokoitai, and &#7936;&#957;&#948 ;&#961;&#945;&#960 ;&#959;&#948;&#953 ;&#963;&#964;&#945 ;&#8150; (andrapodistai,“slave-dealers” ) refers to “male prostitutes, males who lie [with them], and slave dealers [who procure them]”(120). It again refers to that specific form of pederasty “which consisted of the enslaving of boys as youths for sexual purposes, and the use of these boys by adult males”(121).’, De Young,‘The Source and NT Meaning of &#913;&#961;&#963; &#949;&#957;&#959; &#954;&#959;&#953; &#964;&#945;&#953; , with Implications for Christian Ethics and Ministry’, Masters Seminary Journal (3.2.196-197), 1992.
All English Bibles condemn gays to Hell.

“The Final Sacrifice”

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#11174 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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This thread is about gays. Now you know.
That's funny. You post the same thing on every other thread that isn't about gays. Where are all the threads condemning those that remarry and live in habitual sin to hell?? I never see any posts from you or your ilk concerning other perpetual sin clearly stated by Christ Himself.

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#11177 Mar 24, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Bill why are you quoting from the Old Testament ( Torah), remember you have a new covenant. Please stop moving the goal post.
Unless of course you are saying that all 613 laws given in the old testament now apply. Do they Bill?
Just showing how feels about gays. He didn't change.

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#11179 Mar 24, 2013
Happy Easter Sock wrote:
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That's funny. You post the same thing on every other thread that isn't about gays. Where are all the threads condemning those that remarry and live in habitual sin to hell?? I never see any posts from you or your ilk concerning other perpetual sin clearly stated by Christ Himself.
I don't bring the subject up nor start threads about gays. I don't even remember seeing a thread on adultery. Start one or shut up.

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#11180 Mar 24, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Bill the original text's seem to disagree. Bill you are reading and worshipping a bastardised copy at best.
They do not disagree. They all condemn gays to Hell. And your opinions noted but not accepted.

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#11181 Mar 24, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>So in your eyes same sex marriage is not Moral, correct? Bill should we, as in mankind go strictly by the bible when it comes to marriage?
Since gays will spend eternity in Hell I would say that God is not pleased with them, to be kind.

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#11182 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Please do.
READ THAT PEOPLE ??

We can ALL ignore him now.

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#11183 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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From the KJV:
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Which might be valid if the source is what it claims.

Yeshua clearly indicated that not everything in those writings is of divine origin.

“The Final Sacrifice”

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#11184 Mar 24, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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I don't bring the subject up nor start threads about gays. I don't even remember seeing a thread on adultery. Start one or shut up.
"Shut up"?? Grrrrr. How Christ~like of you. Not. There are no threads on adultery. You guys are so hung up on gays you don't think anything of the sins stated in the Bible by Christ Himself. You have tunnel~vision and only see what you wish as right and wrong and subject to eternal damnation.

Matt. 19:

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

So are all these that remarry and live in perpetual sin going to be joining the gays you damn to hell?? That sure will leave a lot of free space in Heaven, eh??

Matt. 7:

14 Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.

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