Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Brilliant.
You really are so gullible.....Blake is a troll from Pekin, Illinois by the name of David Moore and has been posting the same crap for over 5 years now......and you agree with him, how sad.......lol!!!

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And there you go, two peas in a pod. "Black" is David. He changes his name every 10 minutes, posting from "Pekin IL" because he's been booted from topix so many times. He is perhaps the single most discredited poster here for years and years. He is gay, and is here working out his issues in a very messed up way.
And that is with whom you align yourself.
Thank God I don't have your life.
Exactly......obviously David's reparative therapy hasn't worked out well for him!!!

Jeff is just a fundie and obviously hasn't had the pleasure of reading David's crap as often as we have........but yes, aligning himself with this nut speaks volumes about him!!!

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Define "disenfranchise."
Morning LowellGuy,
David Moore from Pekin, IL has NEVER been able to define anything he posts......and in the almost 5 years I've been on topix has posted under probably 500 if not more different greybox nics......and usually the same stuff or close to the same stuff......and he would know a "PEER" review from a walk on a "PIER".......please don't task him to much......he can't handle it......lol!!!

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I don't care what a poster is if they post the truth. Its the truth that matters.
That's just it.....David DOESN'T post ANY truth, just more garbage like you do!!!

Which is probably why you agree with him!!!

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Homosexual sexual practices cannot be healthy. There is just no way getting around this. Of course we should be discriminating against same sex "marriage" or any other kind of crackpot configuration of marriage beyond a man and a woman. The reasons are that only a marriage between a man and a woman can procreate naturally and is the very best way to raise children. Marriage should be based on opposite genders and not on what a person does for a living.
I hope you and your partner don't get sick. But you are the exception to the rule and not the norm. Good laws are not based on exceptions but on what is best. Same sex marriage is not the best.
I'm not against same marriage just because its unhealthy but that its unnatural and is not the best way to raise children. Children need traditional parents i.e. male-female to be raised properly. Same sex relationships cannot achieve this.
You, Doll, absolutely do not know what is fundamentally best for a child. What predicates good parenting are values that are GENDER NEUTRAL. If this were not so, then dysfunctional families wouldn't exist: the gender composite would preclude the possibility, because, as you seem to imply, everything fundamentally important about that family would proceed soley from it. The fact bad parenting does exist in spite of their hetrosexual composite points squarely that what is important in raising children is how a family functions,that those characteristics are ethics that are humanistically based and not gender-biologically based, exist in all genders and orientation, and that functioning and the instilling of these values and ethics in children can be sucsessfully fulfilled regardless of the gender composite or orientation of the parential model. This is becoming even more the case as the rigid assignment of gender roles and expectations are becoming more and more irrelevant and actually counterproductive to the society in which we are evolving. There is no "little girl behavior" and "little boy behavior" that demands a competent actor to teach the child their proper gender role. And as such all we need is people willing to foster both self-respect and repsect for others, caretake for the health and safety, and encourage them in the development of their talents and interests.

I won't even cover your health nonsense, which has been explained over and over, as is the double-standard between your harping on it and you stand foursquare in opposition of the encouragemnt of monogamous practices that would greatly reduce risk. The only thing I can conlude from you constant reptition is your need to convince yourself more than anyone else.
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You really are so gullible.....Blake is a troll from Pekin, Illinois by the name of David Moore and has been posting the same crap for over 5 years now......and you agree with him, how sad.......lol!!!
What you and Tony do is attack the man instead of dealing with what he wrote. How pathetic. This must be the gay way.
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Exactly......obviously David's reparative therapy hasn't worked out well for him!!!
Jeff is just a fundie and obviously hasn't had the pleasure of reading David's crap as often as we have........but yes, aligning himself with this nut speaks volumes about him!!!
You need reparative therapy yourself. Take the log out of your own eye before you take the splinter out of someone else'.

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What you and Tony do is attack the man instead of dealing with what he wrote. How pathetic. This must be the gay way.
Sorry, but you'd be wrong.....we, as well as others have refuted and debunked what he has posted over and over and over again for at least as long as I have been on topix, as as long as others have been here as well.....so, you might want read what has been posted before you attack, which I believe is the Fundie way, right?

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You need reparative therapy yourself. Take the log out of your own eye before you take the splinter out of someone else'.
Why would I need reparative therapy? I am perfectly just fine with who I am and besides, it's been proven to not be successful.....and in some cases incredibly harmful!!!!

Seems you confirmed what we already know about you.......your an anti-gay person who somehow feels we should be forced to change that which is innate and normal in us, right? Should straights be required to change that which is innate to them? My guess is one you consider normal and the other you consider to be some defect and in need of fixing.....well, I'm sorry......but it is you who needs to be fixed!!!

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You, Doll, absolutely do not know what is fundamentally best for a child. What predicates good parenting are values that are GENDER NEUTRAL. If this were not so, then dysfunctional families wouldn't exist: the gender composite would preclude the possibility, because, as you seem to imply, everything fundamentally important about that family would proceed soley from it. The fact bad parenting does exist in spite of their hetrosexual composite points squarely that what is important in raising children is how a family functions,that those characteristics are ethics that are humanistically based and not gender-biologically based, exist in all genders and orientation, and that functioning and the instilling of these values and ethics in children can be sucsessfully fulfilled regardless of the gender composite or orientation of the parential model. This is becoming even more the case as the rigid assignment of gender roles and expectations are becoming more and more irrelevant and actually counterproductive to the society in which we are evolving. There is no "little girl behavior" and "little boy behavior" that demands a competent actor to teach the child their proper gender role. And as such all we need is people willing to foster both self-respect and repsect for others, caretake for the health and safety, and encourage them in the development of their talents and interests.
I won't even cover your health nonsense, which has been explained over and over, as is the double-standard between your harping on it and you stand foursquare in opposition of the encouragemnt of monogamous practices that would greatly reduce risk. The only thing I can conlude from you constant reptition is your need to convince yourself more than anyone else.
Lovely post. But he won't get it.

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<quoted text>It has ben the gay way on Topix for 5 years running now.
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That's what happens when you post the same cut-and-paste several hundred times, and completely ignore the many many times each point has been refuted.

Do you REALLY want a long cut-and-past response to David each time he posts the SAME exact cut-and-paste?

Sounds pretty boring to me.

Especially since he won't read or respond to anything that is outside of his little worldview.
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You, Doll, absolutely do not know what is fundamentally best for a child. What predicates good parenting are values that are GENDER NEUTRAL. If this were not so, then dysfunctional families wouldn't exist: the gender composite would preclude the possibility, because, as you seem to imply, everything fundamentally important about that family would proceed soley from it. The fact bad parenting does exist in spite of their hetrosexual composite points squarely that what is important in raising children is how a family functions,that those characteristics are ethics that are humanistically based and not gender-biologically based, exist in all genders and orientation, and that functioning and the instilling of these values and ethics in children can be sucsessfully fulfilled regardless of the gender composite or orientation of the parential model. This is becoming even more the case as the rigid assignment of gender roles and expectations are becoming more and more irrelevant and actually counterproductive to the society in which we are evolving. There is no "little girl behavior" and "little boy behavior" that demands a competent actor to teach the child their proper gender role. And as such all we need is people willing to foster both self-respect and repsect for others, caretake for the health and safety, and encourage them in the development of their talents and interests.
I won't even cover your health nonsense, which has been explained over and over, as is the double-standard between your harping on it and you stand foursquare in opposition of the encouragemnt of monogamous practices that would greatly reduce risk. The only thing I can conlude from you constant reptition is your need to convince yourself more than anyone else.
Hon--you get the star for the most ridiculous statement for today:
"What predicates good parenting are values that are GENDER NEUTRAL." Get serious. Children need to see how a mom and dad relate to each and to them. They differences help children to be balanced in their lives. Remember: a man cannot be a mommy nor a woman a daddy. It is impossible.
The traditional family i.e. father (male) and mother (female) is the gold standard for the family. The foundations of civilization is based on them.
Supporting them is what we should be doing. Same sex marriage does not in least help.

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<quoted text>You apparently don't understand science. The largest pier reviewed study on the subject, and the only with with sufficient data to draw reliable conclusions, indicates enormous problems with homosexual parenting.....
Oh, David, you know that the Regnerus study didn't do anything of the sort.

They didn't even study gay PARENTS who were couples, much less their parenting skills.

Geesh.

All you have to do is google it.
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Why would I need reparative therapy? I am perfectly just fine with who I am and besides, it's been proven to not be successful.....and in some cases incredibly harmful!!!!
Seems you confirmed what we already know about you.......your an anti-gay person who somehow feels we should be forced to change that which is innate and normal in us, right? Should straights be required to change that which is innate to them? My guess is one you consider normal and the other you consider to be some defect and in need of fixing.....well, I'm sorry......but it is you who needs to be fixed!!!
Your sexual desires are unnatural and they don't fit your plumbing. Just look at all the diseases associated with homosexuality.
Why would you follow your desires and not what you are physically designed for?

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Homosexual sexual practices cannot be healthy.
That's a lie. Stopped reading right there. When you stop lying, you'll get dialogue.

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I don't care what a poster is if they post the truth. Its the truth that matters.
Neither of you would know the truth if it bit you in the ass. You only know what you wish were so.

Don't you think we (gay people) all talk to each other?

Don't you think if the stuff you say is really true, we would all know about it? Don't you think we would all know friends who have some crazy anal problems?

I happen to be one who has very sparingly engaged in anal sex. I prefer other things, no muss no fuss.

I'll be more blunt. For the first several years I almost exclusively did what many would just call "dry humping." You get naked, you make out and rub up against each other until you're done.

Find the risk in that, screwball.

But I guess if you didn't read about it on some conservative website then it must not be true.

In all my years of being single, I almost exclusively participated in BJ's (both ways, take turns, whatever.) Also exceptionally safe.

Each individual decides their level of risk, whether gay or straight. Straight people get STD's all the time. They also accidentally make and/or abort babies all the time. Sex makes some people temporarily suspend their senses and just GO. That's why 16 year old girls get pregnant, that's one reason why some people get HIV.

But if there were serious concerns that all or most or many gay men would have anal complications, we would all know about it just like we all know about HIV. That's why when you suggest it, we just laugh at you. We're gay. We know. You can only read about it.
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That's a lie. Stopped reading right there. When you stop lying, you'll get dialogue.
No lie. It is you who is lying. Look at the CDC stats.
"Gay and bisexual men ó referred to in CDC surveillance systems as men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races continue to be the risk group most severely affected by HIV. CDCís most recent data show that between 2006 and 2009,
the number of new infections that occur each year increased among young MSM ó driven by an alarming 48 percent
increase among young, black MSM 13 to 29 years old. These data clearly show the urgent need to expand access to proven
HIV prevention programs for gay and bisexual men, and to develop new approaches to fight HIV in this population."
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/2012...

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What you and Tony do is attack the man instead of dealing with what he wrote. How pathetic. This must be the gay way.
Many years ago, we gave David the benefit of the doubt and went round and round with him just like we are with you. Of course, there's the added layer that he's gay, which makes it worse.

When we get sick of you, we stop. We realize there is no way to get through to you, you just keep repeating the same thing over and over, and then only the newbies respond to you once in awhile until they realize the same thing about you.

You two should go on a date. I know he would like it. I suspect you might as well.

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You need reparative therapy yourself. Take the log out of your own eye before you take the splinter out of someone else'.
Do you know what reparative therapy is?

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Children need to see how a mom and dad relate to each and to them.
No, they don't "need to." Plenty of kids with only one parent turn out just fine, and believe it or not, they figure out how to relate to the opposite sex!(Imagine! They must be much smarter than you.)

Ditto for kids with two parents of the same sex. Amazingly, they figure it out.

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