Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Jeff

San Jose, CA

#889 Jan 25, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Since when do we curtail people's rights based on their participation in risky behaviors? Heterosexual couples can marry even if they engage in fireworks manufacturing, skydiving, shark wrestling, and even smoking unfiltered cigarettes while drinking gallons of vodka. And, heterosexual couples engage in the same behaviors that you say should preclude homosexual couples from getting married, but you don't support banning such heterosexual couples from marrying. So, engaging in risky behaviors is clearly not a valid reason to ban anybody from marriage. Nice try.
We do it all the time. Don't drink and drive. Don't drive over the speed limit. Don't yell fire in a room if there is no fire. Gender based bathrooms.
It is only by heterosexual couples that the next generation is brought into the world. Can't be done by homosexuals naturally.

Society gains nothing from same sex marriages. They can't procreate on their own nor can they model parenthood in a balanced way. Children need a female mom and male father. These are the best models for children.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#890 Jan 25, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Does anal sex, or sex in general, usually result in health problems?
Yes.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#891 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Alright lets move on. Since the health problems associated with homosexual sex is well documented (same goes for heterosexual sex) do you think Christ would approve of your relationship with your partner? If so, what scripture would you quote that affirms homosexuality?
You are at such a primitive level of religion.

Not only would Christ approve, but God orchestrated my marriage.

If you lived by faith, you'd understand.

But no, we're not moving on. I'm not letting you off the hook. You didn't answer anything, you just tried to move on because you couldn't answer anything.

The health problems associated with homosexual sex are severely distorted and exaggerated in your imagination.

They are also wholly irrelevant to the question of gay marriage.

Get this through your head: I will never get any diseases or health problems as a result of my marriage. Further, I am much safer as a married gay man with one spouse than as a single gay man with various partners. In fact, I am much safer as a married gay man than any straight single heterosexual man.

So again, you not supporting gay marriage makes you an ultra hypocrite. Find that word in your bibles.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#892 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Duh. I'm wondering if Tony considers himself a Christian since he has brought up the Bible in earlier posts. Maybe it is a dead end like it is with you.
I am a Christian who is much further along on his journey than you.

You have a lot to learn. I'd start with a lot less arguing with gay people on message boards and a lot more prayer.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#893 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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We do it all the time. Don't drink and drive. Don't drive over the speed limit. Don't yell fire in a room if there is no fire. Gender based bathrooms.
It is only by heterosexual couples that the next generation is brought into the world. Can't be done by homosexuals naturally.
Society gains nothing from same sex marriages. They can't procreate on their own nor can they model parenthood in a balanced way. Children need a female mom and male father. These are the best models for children.
Wow, that wasn't even a near miss. That went completely off course. It had nothing to do with the question whatsoever.

What "risky behaviors" preclude heterosexual marriage? That was the question.

You went off on a tangent. Are you drunk?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#894 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Yes.
Such as...
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#895 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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We do it all the time. Don't drink and drive. Don't drive over the speed limit. Don't yell fire in a room if there is no fire. Gender based bathrooms.
It is only by heterosexual couples that the next generation is brought into the world. Can't be done by homosexuals naturally.
Society gains nothing from same sex marriages. They can't procreate on their own nor can they model parenthood in a balanced way. Children need a female mom and male father. These are the best models for children.
Oh, so reproduction is the thing, and everything else was a canard. So, we should not allow post-menopausal women to marry, nor the infertile, nor those who choose not to have children. After all, marriage is about reproduction, right?

By the way, the examples of rights being curtailed have to do with the fact that doing those things can and do cause harm not only to self, but innocent third parties.

Oh, and should children of unwed single parents be placed with married heterosexual couples instead? Is a home with two loving and nurturing parents (regardless of gender) better or worse than one or no parents? Also, please show us evidence that same-sex parenting results necessarily in harm to the child.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#896 Jan 25, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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You are at such a primitive level of religion.
Not only would Christ approve, but God orchestrated my marriage.
If you lived by faith, you'd understand.
But no, we're not moving on. I'm not letting you off the hook. You didn't answer anything, you just tried to move on because you couldn't answer anything.
The health problems associated with homosexual sex are severely distorted and exaggerated in your imagination.
They are also wholly irrelevant to the question of gay marriage.
Get this through your head: I will never get any diseases or health problems as a result of my marriage. Further, I am much safer as a married gay man with one spouse than as a single gay man with various partners. In fact, I am much safer as a married gay man than any straight single heterosexual man.
So again, you not supporting gay marriage makes you an ultra hypocrite. Find that word in your bibles.
The facts on the gay sex diseases are quite well known. Just look at the CDC. Its a huge huge problem.
You certainly can get diseases. Your partner could cheat on you for one. You are also abusing your body parts by using them in ways they were never intended. Why do you think something like 80% of gay men have problems with you know what?
There really is no such thing as "gay marriage". You live in a pretend world. Sad.
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#897 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Duh. I'm wondering if Tony considers himself a Christian since he has brought up the Bible in earlier posts. Maybe it is a dead end like it is with you.
Jeff, did you or did you not avoid a whole string of posts I made in response to an argument of yours? Did you or did you not know avoid those posts again when I found you here? Did you or did you not ever go back to read the explanation of "contrapositive" that I had given you which would have shown you how you were being dishonest in your argument? Do you or do you not want to be better intellectually than you already are? Do you or do you not acknowledge that avoiding the possibility of realizing you might be wrong about something necessarily stunts your intellectual development?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#898 Jan 25, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Oh, so reproduction is the thing, and everything else was a canard. So, we should not allow post-menopausal women to marry, nor the infertile, nor those who choose not to have children. After all, marriage is about reproduction, right?
By the way, the examples of rights being curtailed have to do with the fact that doing those things can and do cause harm not only to self, but innocent third parties.
Oh, and should children of unwed single parents be placed with married heterosexual couples instead? Is a home with two loving and nurturing parents (regardless of gender) better or worse than one or no parents? Also, please show us evidence that same-sex parenting results necessarily in harm to the child.
Check this out on a study that shows problems with children raised by gay parents:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-574517...

The norm for marriage is between male and female who can procreate. That is the gold standard. Those that don't, are the exceptions.
Either way you look at it, same sex couples cannot naturally procreate. You do understand biology don't you?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#900 Jan 25, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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I am a Christian who is much further along on his journey than you.
You have a lot to learn. I'd start with a lot less arguing with gay people on message boards and a lot more prayer.
Ok. Where did Jesus specifically approve of same sex relationships? Where did He teach that a marriage can be between a man and a man? Chapter and verse please.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#901 Jan 25, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Such as...
Gay bowel syndrome:
http://conservapedia.com/Gay_bowel_syndrome

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#902 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The facts on the gay sex diseases are quite well known. Just look at the CDC. Its a huge huge problem.
You certainly can get diseases. Your partner could cheat on you for one. You are also abusing your body parts by using them in ways they were never intended. Why do you think something like 80% of gay men have problems with you know what?
There really is no such thing as "gay marriage". You live in a pretend world. Sad.
What's sad is you just repeat the same crap over and over and we're just going to have to start ignoring you soon because this is getting boring. Round and round, the same nonsense, refuted and repeated, over and over.

You're right, there really is no such thing as "gay marriage." It's just "marriage." And that is what I have. You are the one pretending it doesn't exist, because you are so weak and afraid.

Your statistic about 80% of men having problems with "you know what" is silly and stupid.

Your presumption that you know what I am doing with my body is equally silly and stupid.

And no, I cannot get diseases. Neither of us are cheaters.

The "huge huge" problem is in your head. And you don't care about gay peoples' "you know whats" so stop pretending.

Get a freaking life.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#903 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Ok. Where did Jesus specifically approve of same sex relationships? Where did He teach that a marriage can be between a man and a man? Chapter and verse please.
Chapter and verse of what?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#904 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Gay bowel syndrome:
http://conservapedia.com/Gay_bowel_syndrome
You really expect me to click on something called "conservapedia" and take it seriously?

p.s. My husband and I do not bother with anal sex. What is your objection now?

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#906 Jan 25, 2013
Laconic Assassins wrote:
<quoted text>Gays are first in every sex disease category. 80% of all AIDS cases are gays. The CDC says that gays get sexual viruses and strains that are not evn found among straights.
Then it follows that you would favor same sex marriage as a way to help curb promiscuity in the gay community.

“HEAVEN IS MY DESTINY”

Since: Nov 12

WHERE IS YOURS

#909 Jan 25, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Then it follows that you would favor same sex marriage as a way to help curb promiscuity in the gay community.
...and visa versa.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#911 Jan 25, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The facts on the gay sex diseases are quite well known. Just look at the CDC. Its a huge huge problem.
You certainly can get diseases. Your partner could cheat on you for one. You are also abusing your body parts by using them in ways they were never intended. Why do you think something like 80% of gay men have problems with you know what?
There really is no such thing as "gay marriage". You live in a pretend world. Sad.
It matters not what the CDC states or shows......the numbers are strictly estimates and NOT hard facts.

Heterosexuals have STD's as well......do we prevent them from marrying? or having children even if they are infected? The answer to both is NO, and therefore it is not a valid argument. Any sexual activity has risks to it, one must educate themselves and take the proper precautions before moving forward.

Where is your evidence that states 80% of Gay men have this "SUPPOSED" problem?

And you are correct, there is NO such thing as "GAY or "SAME-SEX" Marriage......but Tony C and his husband are still legally married under the laws of the State they got married in and it matters not if you accept it or agree with it......they are still going to be legally married!!!

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#912 Jan 25, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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What's sad is you just repeat the same crap over and over and we're just going to have to start ignoring you soon because this is getting boring. Round and round, the same nonsense, refuted and repeated, over and over.
You're right, there really is no such thing as "gay marriage." It's just "marriage." And that is what I have. You are the one pretending it doesn't exist, because you are so weak and afraid.
Your statistic about 80% of men having problems with "you know what" is silly and stupid.
Your presumption that you know what I am doing with my body is equally silly and stupid.
And no, I cannot get diseases. Neither of us are cheaters.
The "huge huge" problem is in your head. And you don't care about gay peoples' "you know whats" so stop pretending.
Get a freaking life.
Hi Tony,
Hope all is well........welcome to the Fundamentalist Christian idiots......they believe that we are wrong and they are right and no matter what we say, they have some anti-gay biased site backing up their ridiculous claims.

Peace!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#915 Jan 25, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Are you that pathetically mentally lazy/ignorant that you can't Google "gay teen deaths in Utah" and scour some links to see if I'm correct or incorrect? Why do you have such a problem with doing searches? Would you like me to school you in the basics of how to do a search? I'll be glad to help you if you want :)
Whine, whine, whine. When I make a claim I back it up. I've caught you in too many lies to believe anything say, especially considering the bible, and most of the time I'm right. You can''t back up your claims with scripture. So if you want me to believe something you say, back it up, and stop being such wussy. I'm certainly not going to waste my time trying to prove you correct.
..........
http://www.autostraddle.com/utah-school-distr...
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It's impossible to know what specifically triggered David, but David's classmates attest that David was frequently bullied in school, and Queerty reports that on November 28th, a boy had sent David a singing telegram from another boy, "and though he laughed along with his classmates, his cousin revealed that he was indeed mortified."
David Phan's family, however, has always been accepting of his sexual orientation. Queerty reports that "David came out to his older brother and other family members a year ago. Then about three months ago, he came out to his mother and finally his father, Nhuan Phan, who hugged him, told him he loved him and wanted him to be safe." As reported by the Salt Lake Tribune, David's family said David was "well-loved with a strong family support system, but could not deal with the bullying and the burden of being a gay Asian student in a school they believe did not support him."
Perfect example of what I just spoke of. This link doesn't work.
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http://unfinishedlivesblog.com/2012/04/29/gay...
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Ogden, Utah – Last Monday, another gay teenager from Utah took his life in response to intolerable bullying because of his sexual orientation.
With heartbreaking coincidence, Reese’s boyfriend, Alex Smith, spoke on Reese’s experiences with school bullying to a community event...
You really want more? There's a list. While strict Mormon parents are a minority of what drives a gay kid to take their life, as in other states, bullying in school seems to be the number one reason. And bullying in school resulting in a gay teen death is more prevalent in other "non-Mormon doctrine" influenced states than Utah. Meaning religious doctrine isn't the only thing in Utah driving kids to bully gay kids or causing gay kids to kill themselves.
So you can irrationally blame the LDS church all you want.
And who would be the ones doing the bullying in a city that is at least 60% LDS? Mormon kids who been taught to hate homosexuality. It is very ration to blame the source.

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