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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#9065 Mar 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
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The Apostle Paul says that Satan has set out to blind the minds of the unbelieving in order that something might not happen.
Who cares? Your religious beliefs are yours and I'm not required to believe in them or follow them!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#9066 Mar 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Satan’s purpose and objective is to so blind a person’s mind that they can’t grasp it (the Word of God.)
Sorry, but just because you believe in that mythical book and claim God's words are in it, doesn't make it true......just your opinion, which you are entitled to.....but others are entitled to believe differently!!!!

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#9067 Mar 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
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When God rejected the Gentile nations for idolatry, homosexuality and such like things, he chose Israel to be his chosen nation.
He gave them specific laws forbidding homosexuality.
So, how do we get around this as not being a sin???
Leviticus 18:22-24
22 “‘DO NOT have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘DO NOT have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘DO NOT defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.
OK, I will let you interrupt for yourself....
I can't quote the many words studies and cultural context applicatons tht have been present here on the Gay and lesbian forum other than to say I have seen them, they exist, and that they refute your particular interpretation of what these passage both actually allude to, and when the question of subjective interpretation is the problem then cold hard word science and actual cultural knowlege is relly the only wy to insure a way around your own bias. The only one I hve a passing familiarity with to any degree is the Centurian and his servant, the fact that many ranking soldiers took boy body slaves with them and among the many uses of such slave was a sexual outlet, encouraged because consorting with prositutes was a disease vector and romantic entanglements might compromise a soldiers loyalty, so it is likely that there was a sexual relationship, Jesus knew it, and it made no difference: what made a difference was faith- the continuing and over-riding message. This view is in keeping with recognized practices of the time and the original words which describes the slave and the continual message of the Gospels. There's other people who can offer a far more comprhensive study of the scripture you posted, I'm not one of them. Now have in honestly tried to answer your questions-your turn.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#9068 Mar 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Who cares? Your religious beliefs are yours and I'm not required to believe in them or follow them!!!
Don't feel bad....

You won't be the last to state these words....

Again, knowledge of the Word of God and accepting the Word of God are two different things.....

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#9069 Mar 8, 2013
...again my apologize for spelling and editing

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#9070 Mar 8, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
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I can't quote the many words studies and cultural context applicatons tht have been present here on the Gay and lesbian forum other than to say I have seen them, they exist, and that they refute your particular interpretation of what these passage both actually allude to, and when the question of subjective interpretation is the problem then cold hard word science and actual cultural knowlege is relly the only wy to insure a way around your own bias. The only one I hve a passing familiarity with to any degree is the Centurian and his servant, the fact that many ranking soldiers took boy body slaves with them and among the many uses of such slave was a sexual outlet, encouraged because consorting with prositutes was a disease vector and romantic entanglements might compromise a soldiers loyalty, so it is likely that there was a sexual relationship, Jesus knew it, and it made no difference: what made a difference was faith- the continuing and over-riding message. This view is in keeping with recognized practices of the time and the original words which describes the slave and the continual message of the Gospels. There's other people who can offer a far more comprhensive study of the scripture you posted, I'm not one of them. Now have in honestly tried to answer your questions-your turn.
I'm asking for an answer to post #9047

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#9071 Mar 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Don't feel bad....
You won't be the last to state these words....
Again, knowledge of the Word of God and accepting the Word of God are two different things.....
The question is accepting what actually is there as opposed to what you want to be there
OKAY

Houston, TX

#9072 Mar 8, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
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As I told you I'm not a christian except in universal sense. I can however honestly answer YES to that, but my import and interpretation of exactly what that means would no doubt be far different frm yours sense I look at this all out of the terms of a representative narrative. My main point of course is in keeping with the theme of this thread. You and others have made certain assertions, and one of them is acusing gay-affriming christians as being spritually blind. My question remains as to how it is that it is indeed not YOURSELF who is resisting the truth, proposing the possibility that you were led to this place to be exposed to the truth, and that your own spritual blindness not only prevents you from accepting the truth but actually knowing the fact your rejection is a result of your spiritual blindness.
Or maybe GOD led "His-Truth" here for you to be exposed to the Truth.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

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#9073 Mar 8, 2013
His-truth wrote:
NorCal, are you always 100% compassionate ?
NorCal, are you always 100% understanding ??
NorCal, do you always 100% forgive ???
If not 100% 24/7/365 ... then you are a sinner and need salvation .. just as we all do
Whenever I read posts by people like you I am reminded of all the stories I've read throughout history where one "enlightened group" attacks those they believe aren't "following God's Law".

The Amish Beard Cutting story is but one recent example.

The animus faced by gays and lesbians from folks like you goes back centuries and directly conflicts with the message Jesus taught.

Interesting that you want to point out the "sins of others" while at the same time you expect us to forgive your sins simply because you admit you're a sinner. Makes it pretty easy for you to claim salvation while continuing to be a non-repentant sinner.

DNF

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#9074 Mar 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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I am not perfect and therefore I am not 100% of anything but a human being who does have compassion, love and understanding even for those who condemn me for things based solely on their perspective.......so, the answer you want is no, not a 100% of the time......but I do try and that's all that God is asking of me......can you say you do ANY of these things?
I know from your post that you have NO understanding of those who believe differently than you and that in order for anyone to be saved, they must believe as you do, but that is not what God is going to judge you on!!!
voted a big red heart

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

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#9075 Mar 8, 2013
Wade wrote:
<quoted text>Are you even fooling yourself?
God repeatedly condemns and prohibits all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments. This fact is not debatable.
You cannot deny this reality and consider yourself to be a Christian. Christianity is defined by the Bible.
To David Moore:

A life lesson.

Happiness cannot come from hatred or anger. Nobody can say, "Today I am happy because this morning I was very angry." On the contrary, people feel uneasy and sad and say, "Today I am not happy because I lost my temper this morning." Through kindness, whether at our own level or at the national and international level, through mutual understanding and through mutual respect, we will get peace, we will get happiness, and we will get genuine satisfaction.

- His Holiness the Dalai Lama
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#9076 Mar 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry, but just because you believe in that mythical book and claim God's words are in it, doesn't make it true......just your opinion, which you are entitled to.....but others are entitled to believe differently!!!!
Sure....I know you won't believe this but I will post anyways...

We like some parts of God's nature: God is loving, merciful, kind, forgiving, compassionate.

But God's nature also includes wrath, justice, absolute holiness, and absolute purity.

It is ourselves that need to come to the realization of what SIN is and what SIN does to us spiritually and physically.

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#9077 Mar 8, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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Or maybe GOD led "His-Truth" here for you to be exposed to the Truth.
And... maybe not-they have the burden of proof.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

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#9078 Mar 8, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Just delivering my soul.
Ezekiel 33:9 (NKJV)
9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

So you can toss around Bible verses better than you do a baseball. Good for you.

Only shows you to be a preacher not a teacher OR a follower.

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#9079 Mar 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
When God rejected the Gentile nations for idolatry, homosexuality and such like things, he chose Israel to be his chosen nation. He gave them specific laws forbidding homosexuality. So, how do we get around this as not being a sin???
Leviticus 18:22-24 22 “‘DO NOT have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. 23 “‘DO NOT have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion. 24 “‘DO NOT defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. OK, I will let you interrupt for yourself....
It's like they spend their entire lives "PULLING" on the door ... when the sign says "PUSH"
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#9080 Mar 8, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
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And... maybe not-they have the burden of proof.
He is waiting for you... www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

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#9081 Mar 8, 2013
MagskBob wrote:
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In the United States there are over 3.000 Christian denominations. Just the arrogance of denominational faith condemns any reconciliation of the Christian religion.
There has already been 'wedges'- just witness the Anglican Church.
The self righteous always need to have a scapegoat so that they can get everyone to focus on the side issues instead of seeing the faults of the self righteous.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#9082 Mar 8, 2013
His-truth wrote:
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It's like they spend their entire lives "PULLING" on the door ... when the sign says "PUSH"
First, they have to KNOCK....and I haven't heard any knocking yet....

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#9084 Mar 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Don't feel bad....
You won't be the last to state these words....
Again, knowledge of the Word of God and accepting the Word of God are two different things.....
First.....I don't feel bad!!!

Secondly....I'm sure I won't be the last to post words to you that you are unable to comprehend!!!

Thirdly.....I accept the Words of God, but what is in your book that you call the bible are not God's words.......and you don't get that!!!

You are entitled to your rights.....but they END where mine BEGIN!!!

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#9085 Mar 8, 2013
DNF wrote:
The self righteous always need to have a scapegoat so that they can get everyone to focus on the side issues instead of seeing the faults of the self righteous
AMEN BROTHER .. http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/sermons/80-67 .. Four marks of a Hell-Bound man

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