Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Satans MO . . . infiltrate / distort / replace / antichrist on the way . . . you knew this day was coming . . . God bless you brother .. keep your sword sharp .. the world needs God's word now more than ever . . . peace

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No book can even come close to the awesomeness of the Bible ... none whatsoever ... ever
A Closer Look at the Word of God .. The Bible says of itself,“The Word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword.” It is vital to the Christian that we know beyond doubt that God’s Word is both valid and authoritative. This study guide will lead you to solid conclusions in that regard ... http://bobgeorge.net/teaching/closer-look/wor... .. continue
PAUL SAID, "God is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the bible! There are hundreds of denominations and sects, all using the "inspired Scriptures" to prove their conflicting doctrines.
Why do trained theologians differ? Why do educated translators disagree over Greek and Hebrew meanings? Why all the confusion? Shouldn't a document that was "divinely inspired" by an omniscient and omnipotent deity be as clear as possible?

"If the trumpet give an uncertain sound," Paul wrote in I Corinthians 14:8, "who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." Exactly! Paul should have practiced what he preached. For almost two millennia, the bible has been producing a most "uncertain sound."

The problem is not with human limitations, as some claim. The problem is the bible itself. People who are free of theological bias notice that the bible contains hundreds of discrepancies. Should it surprise us when such a literary and moral mish-mash, taken seriously, causes so much discord? Here is a brief sampling of biblical contradictions.
http://ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/...

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Folks like you can't just answer the question, they must bring up other things like incest, polygamy and whatever else they think will make them sound big and bad......but the truth of the matter is it isn't "GAY" or "SAME-SEX" marriage, it's just MARRIAGE that involves either opposite-sex folks or Same-Sex folks........and yet you can't even post without freaking out.......lol!!!
I know that marriage among heterosexuals has a current divorce rate of just around 50%, second marriages end in divorce at roughly 65%, third marriages end in divorce at roughly 75% and those who have high divorce rates are usually Christians......imagine that!!!
I don't know about others, but I have been legally married one time in my life and I believe in both the sacrament of the institution of marriage and the vows I took.......at least HALF of those who are heterosexuals CAN'T say that!!!
Do you go out and preach to those heterosexual married couples who are swingers? or is it okay for them to trash your biblical version of marriage? I mean you do know that there are straight married couples who swap spouses, right?
I have noticed for a long while that pro-same sex marriage advocates nickel-dime heterosexual divorce rates. Why is that? Is that to prove how lousy marriage really can be between two people that don't get along any more? That marriage isn't what's it's claimed to be? That it isn't a scared institution as theists claim because of all the divorce and DV rates in marriages?
If same sex advocates strive to prove how bad and ugly marriage can become, why do they want a piece of something their so critical of? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

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PAUL SAID, "God is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the bible!
Umm, though I know what you meant, the Bible has never produced any confusion. People cause confusion.
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Umm, though I know what you meant, the Bible has never produced any confusion. People cause confusion.

That's because people wrote the Bible

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Here is a brief sampling of biblical contradictions.
http://ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/...
A Pastor who has seen the truth and is not ashamed to show it!!
You're link begins on an erroneous and wrong translation of a word that really matters. Doing this allows a person to yack on for ever but in a way that has no true application to what the sentence actually stated.

Should we kill?
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

From the Jewish translation...

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0220.htm
12 Thou shalt not murder.

So most knowing the English definitions of words, would know there is a wide difference between using the word 'kill' in a sentence and using the word 'murder' in a sentence.
The person you made a link to, because they apparently didn't know or purposefully avoided the true word that was 'kill', all they said concerning it has no relevance at all to the sixth Jewish commandment as they went after it.

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I have noticed for a long while that pro-same sex marriage advocates nickel-dime heterosexual divorce rates. Why is that? Is that to prove how lousy marriage really can be between two people that don't get along any more? That marriage isn't what's it's claimed to be? That it isn't a scared institution as theists claim because of all the divorce and DV rates in marriages?
If same sex advocates strive to prove how bad and ugly marriage can become, why do they want a piece of something their so critical of? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
No, what is being pointed out is my exclusion is not what upholds the sanctity of marriage any more than my inclusion is what takes it away. What upholds the sanctity of marraige is a matter of character, not gender. Some of us will do a good job of it, others won't, but the opportunity to discover that one way or another should be freely allowed and our sucsess or failure predicated on my and my partner's ability.

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You're link begins on an erroneous and wrong translation of a word that really matters. Doing this allows a person to yack on for ever but in a way that has no true application to what the sentence actually stated.
Should we kill?
Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
From the Jewish translation...
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0220.htm
12 Thou shalt not murder.
So most knowing the English definitions of words, would know there is a wide difference between using the word 'kill' in a sentence and using the word 'murder' in a sentence.
The person you made a link to, because they apparently didn't know or purposefully avoided the true word that was 'kill', all they said concerning it has no relevance at all to the sixth Jewish commandment as they went after it.
This may very well be, but it points to the crux of the matter: the Bible is subject to both human error in translation and interpretation.

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Your proof? None obviously.
Translation errors prove the Bible to be unreliable.

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Won't do any good. It is coming to pass at this very moment. It will all come to pass.
"these words are faithful and true"
Revelation 21:5 (NASB)
5 And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He *said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true."
Argumentum ad Baculum.

Unimpressive.

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And that's why Satan's children are here attacking what God said. They are obsessed with hatred for God's word. They keep trying to change it, rather than changing themselves.
Sup 2buckchuck still playing god?

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And that's why Satan's children are here attacking what God said. They are obsessed with hatred for God's word. They keep trying to change it, rather than changing themselves.
What is God's Word?

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Translation errors prove the Bible to be unreliable.
Another lie from Satan.

John 8:44 (NKJV)
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

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Argumentum ad Baculum.
Unimpressive.
I'm not here to impress you.

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If you have something to say then say it.
So, is that a "yes, I did read it", or a "no I did not read it".

" ... Let your 'yes" be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no'. All else is of the adversary ... "

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Another lie from Satan.
John 8:44 (NKJV)
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Your Bible quotes mean nothing. You just lied. I am not Satan.

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I'm not here to impress you.
Ezekiel 33:9 (NKJV)
9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
I can see that. Tell me something I don't already know.

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Another lie from Satan.
John 8:44 (NKJV)
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
So you are saying the Bible has no translation errors and I am Satan.

Any reasonable person will disagree with your position.

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Did you cut Romans 1 out of your Bible? Here is what you are defending from different English Bibles:
Romans 1
"God gave them up" "vile passions" "shameful desires" "evil things" "men with men" "indecent acts"
The reason gays don't care what the Bible says is because "God gave them up".
That's what Saul thought. He also thought that even though Yeshua is recorded as saying "call no one 'father'" that it was right for his own followers to call him "father".

Not an isolated instance of his heresies.

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Matthew 7:1-2 (King James Version)
"1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
I've got my Purim ratchets all ready for all these Hamans around here.

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