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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16098 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#7399 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You're simply groping.
..and you have no answer.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#7400 Feb 22, 2013
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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lost soul like you isn't expected to understand.
There's that christian logic again...... [email protected]

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#7401 Feb 22, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>..and you have no answer.
None that you will like.

Matthew 13:49-50 (NASB)
49 "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#7402 Feb 22, 2013
Came and went.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#7403 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You can't see the forest for the Trees. Israel is back. The Mark is stalking you. This world is rapidly falling apart.
Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Seek medical treatment.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#7404 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You can't see the forest for the Trees. Israel is back. The Mark is stalking you. This world is rapidly falling apart.
Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
...and somehow you think that proves the existence of an after-life? Were you born stupid or did you have to work at it?
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#7405 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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None that you will like.
Matthew 13:49-50 (NASB)
49 "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
You have no answer. What I "like" is irrelevant. You have failed to prove your case.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#7406 Feb 22, 2013
John from Texas wrote:
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By that logic, most of the bible is not part of the bible.
Maybe you got no logic!
No doubt!!! lol

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#7407 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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None that you will like.
Matthew 13:49-50 (NASB)
49 "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Circular reasoning. You can't prove that something written in the Bible will take place because the Bible says so. Do you have any tangible evidence that this event will take place any time soon?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#7408 Feb 22, 2013
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Atheists cannot fathom that truth. They have to pigeonhole Christianity so they can keep thinking they understand it. That is why they freak out when told it is not a religion. They have no concept of a personal relationship with God since they do not !believe in Him.
Well I am not an atheist. I do have a personal relationship with God.

Christianity is a religion. Duh

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#7409 Feb 22, 2013
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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lost soul like you isn't expected to understand.
Then what good are you?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#7410 Feb 22, 2013
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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YOU need to understand that I couldn't care less what a secular book says about Christianity. You just cannot fathom a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, the God Almighty of Abraham and Isaac and all the prophets. Whether YOU like it or not.
So you admit you have blinders on. Noted.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#7411 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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There's still hope for some.
But not for you unless and until God opens your eyes.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#7412 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Your unBiblical opinion does not overrule our VERY consistent Bibles. You are clearly biased against the Bible, period.
Show me the original. I'll wait.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#7413 Feb 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You can't see the forest for the Trees. Israel is back. The Mark is stalking you. This world is rapidly falling apart.
Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
No answer. Noted.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#7414 Feb 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="Grandpasmurf952]
Considering that the historical Jesus was born a Jew and conducted his ministry entirely from the Hebrew Scriptures as the Greek scriptures had yet to be written,[/QUOTE]

You should do just a bit more research before you jump to make a claim. Greek was used for the OT centuries before Jesus was born. Google it if you doubt me.

http://www.biblica.com/bibles/faq/11/

However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. It also became a wonderful missionary tool for the early Christians, for now the Greeks could read God's Word in their own tongue.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#7415 Feb 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You should do just a bit more research before you jump to make a claim. Greek was used for the OT centuries before Jesus was born. Google it if you doubt me.
http://www.biblica.com/bibles/faq/11/
However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. It also became a wonderful missionary tool for the early Christians, for now the Greeks could read God's Word in their own tongue.
And along those lines.... I find it amusing that when Mel Gibson (a man I loathe) made his movie "The Passion Of The Christ", he promoted the so-called "fact" that the movie was SO "authentic" that he used teh original ancient languages that the characters spoke, i.e. the common Jews spoke Aramaic, the Jewish priests spoke Hebrew, and the Romans spoke Latin. OOPS ! That made as much sense as having the Roman characters speak Korean. For teh language of teh Roman Empire at that time, was GREEK. NOT Latin.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#7416 Feb 22, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Considering that the historical Jesus was born a Jew and conducted his ministry entirely from the Hebrew Scriptures as the Greek scriptures had yet to be written,
You've been making the above claim in different threads. So now you can stop and rephrase yourself according to 'the truth' you claim you speak from :)

By the way, if you knew your Biblical history which you don't, you would know the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint prove the old testament books existed in Hebrew and Greek for centuries prior to Jesus's birth.

8.2 The Old Testament: the Septuagint.

The Septuagint, or LXX, is the oldest Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was begun around 247 BC by seventy scholars in Alexandria, Egypt for an expanding community of Greek speaking Jews, and was completed no later than 117 BC. 7

R. K. Harrison confirms its early use: "While there are certain differences in New Testament usage, there is no doubt that of all Greek versions the LXX was employed predominantly and that it enjoyed independent existence in the period just prior to the time of Christ." 8 The Septuagint was also most likely the standard Old Testament text used by the early Christian church. Early LXX material is included in the Rylands Papyrus 458, which dates back to 150 BC. 9

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#7417 Feb 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You've been making the above claim in different threads. So now you can stop and rephrase yourself according to 'the truth' you claim you speak from :)
By the way, if you knew your Biblical history which you don't, you would know the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint prove the old testament books existed in Hebrew and Greek for centuries prior to Jesus's birth.
8.2 The Old Testament: the Septuagint.
The Septuagint, or LXX, is the oldest Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was begun around 247 BC by seventy scholars in Alexandria, Egypt for an expanding community of Greek speaking Jews, and was completed no later than 117 BC. 7
R. K. Harrison confirms its early use: "While there are certain differences in New Testament usage, there is no doubt that of all Greek versions the LXX was employed predominantly and that it enjoyed independent existence in the period just prior to the time of Christ." 8 The Septuagint was also most likely the standard Old Testament text used by the early Christian church. Early LXX material is included in the Rylands Papyrus 458, which dates back to 150 BC. 9
So was Christ fluent in Hebrew ? Or only Greek and Aramaic ?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#7418 Feb 22, 2013
victoria1 wrote:
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What law in Canada requires that and where exactly are you getting that information?
For reference...
updated 7/20/2005 6:16:10 PM ET
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TORONTO — Canada became the fourth country in the world to legalize gay marriage nationwide after a landmark bill was signed into law on Wednesday.
Supreme Court Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin signed the bill, and it was read in the House of Commons and Senate, making it law. The Senate voted late Tuesday to adopt the legislation to legalize gay marriage despite fierce opposition from Conservatives and religious leaders.
The bill grants same-sex couples legal rights equal to those in traditional unions between a man and a woman, something already legal in eight of Canada's 10 provinces and in two of its three territories.
The legislation drafted by Prime Minister Paul Martin's minority Liberal Party government easily passed the Senate, which essentially rubber stamps any bill already passed by the House of Commons, which passed it late last month.

http://www.law.ualberta.ca/centres/ccs/news/...

A Flurry of Responses to Saskatchewan Marriage Commissioners Reference
February 6, 2011
Author: Adam Badari
On January 10, 2011, the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal released its decision in the Marriage Commissioners Reference.[1] The Saskatchewan government had asked for the court’s opinion two proposed pieces of legislation. Both proposals attempted to protect the religious freedom of marriage commissioners, who perform non-religious marriages in the province. The purpose was to allow them to refuse to perform same-sex marriage on the basis of their religious beliefs.

The Court of Appeal unanimously concluded that either option would be unconstitutional. The court said that allowing these types of religious objections would be offensive and would result in a lower quality of service for same-sex couples. As a result, they would violate the Charter right to equal benefit of the law without discrimination. As well, they ruled that the limitation on the right to equality could not be justified as necessary to protect the religious freedoms of marriage commissioners. In part, they based this conclusion on the availability of other ways to accommodate religious freedoms without discriminating against same-sex couples.
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Law on same-sex marriages mean churches 'will be forced to conduct gay weddings'
By STEVE DOUGHTY, SOCIAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 19:36 EST, 11 March 2012 | UPDATED: 19:41 EST, 11 March 2012

A law to allow same-sex marriages will force Christians to conduct gay weddings in church, it was claimed yesterday.
An analysis of equality law by Church of England lawyers suggests assurances from David Cameron and his ministers that no church will be compelled to provide such ceremonies are worthless.
Ministers have repeatedly said since the plan for same-sex marriage was announced five months ago that it would apply in civil law only and that gay wedding ceremonies would not be imposed on churches.
But lawyers working at the CofE’s Church House headquarters have said equality laws will mean churches have to treat gay couples asking for a wedding in the same way they treat heterosexual couples.

But equality laws introduced by Labour in 2007 have already disrupted 11 Roman Catholic adoption agencies because they are no longer allowed to decline to place children with gay couples.
And the same laws, now enshrined in the 2010 Equality Act which was voted into law by the Coalition, will, CofE lawyers believe, make churches offer weddings to same-sex couples if the law permits them to marry.

The lawyers’ paper said:‘A key relevant section is section 29 of the Equality Act which makes it unlawful for a person concerned with the provision of a service to the public or a section of the public to discriminate on various grounds, including sexual orientation.’

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