Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against ...

Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Jeff

San Jose, CA

#635 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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1. No, it's not your business. You're just making yourself a busybody.
2. Again, if you are concerned about unhealthy "life styles" leading to higher insurance premiums, then you have no choice but to support same sex marriage, which necessarily almost completely eliminates any chance of anything "unhealthy" and obviously lowers insurance premiums.
Talk your way out of that one, hypocrite.
Same sex is unhealthy whether you do it with one or many. It is my business when I get to vote on it or when the govt wants to redefine marriage.

BTW- monogamous relationships in the homosexual community is pretty much a myth among gay men. Just look at the studies.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#636 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Same sex is unhealthy whether you do it with one or many. It is my business when I get to vote on it or when the govt wants to redefine marriage.
BTW- monogamous relationships in the homosexual community is pretty much a myth among gay men. Just look at the studies.
What studies?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#637 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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What was your excuse before AIDS?
What will be your excuse when there is a cure?
Why do you pretend to care, when you're really just prejudiced? Married gay people do not give each other diseases.
P.S. Bearing false witness is wrong.
What cure? If homosexual sex was healthy why would we need a cure for the terrible diseases that it causes?

You need to either get educated or somehow stop lying to yourself.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#638 Jan 23, 2013
madscot wrote:
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What studies?
Here is one among many:
M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, ed. P. Aries and A. Bejin, translated by Anthony Forster (New York, NY: B. Blackwell, 1985): 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991): 124, 125.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#639 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What cure? If homosexual sex was healthy why would we need a cure for the terrible diseases that it causes?
You need to either get educated or somehow stop lying to yourself.
I've been a respiratory therapist for 23 years. I've seen a total of 5 cases of aids. 3 were from needle sharing. You're more likely to contract TB or MRSA than aids so you really should get over it.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#640 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What cure? If homosexual sex was healthy why would we need a cure for the terrible diseases that it causes?
You need to either get educated or somehow stop lying to yourself.
Funny how you keep railing on health studies but you never cite any. Why is that?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#641 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Please don't tell me you're daring me to go back in time and paste your's and nomo's statements that Mormon parents were responsible for gay teen deaths. See, you have made that statement just recently. Want me to post it in capitol letters to show your a liar to claim you didn't say it? But you're in good company with some others here that like telling lies so they'd support your lying huh :)
Your claim I lie in every post is a lie.
Your claim I cried buckets of tears is a lie.
That's three lies you have made in just this post alone.
I use to "whine" not cry about all the cussing and swearing and derogatory words you used. Why? Because embarrassingly you claimed over and over you were a Christian. And a Christian following Christ will not say the things you use to say. They would avoid saying the things you said. So I spent time to help you understand if you're going to state your a true honest Christian, you really needed to back off the lies and all the cussing and derogatory speech and begin to speak like the Christian you claimed to be.
Understand?
You claimed we said the LDS church is responsible for "all gay teen suicides." We didn't, you lied. Just like you claimed I said that Mormon parents teach there kids they would rather have them come home in casket "24/7". Another lie. All you do is intentionally misrepresent what people are saying who disagree with you.
And I wasn't using filthy language when I said that Joseph Smith is a sexual pervert and a pig, I was stating a fact. Telling the truth isn't unchristian. Part of the definition of "Christian" is one who tells the truth, even unpleasant ones. Your problem is that I won't tell the sweet lies Mormonism has made up about their disgusting excuse for a prophet, thief, and child molester.

I thinks it's funny how you claim that 14 yr old's are confused about their sexual orientation, and shouldn't be getting help for it, or talk about it, but it is perfectly fine and noble for a man calling himself "prophet" to screw one.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#642 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Same sex is unhealthy whether you do it with one or many. It is my business when I get to vote on it or when the govt wants to redefine marriage.
BTW- monogamous relationships in the homosexual community is pretty much a myth among gay men. Just look at the studies.
I don't have to look up anything, I've personally have known many in my life.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#643 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Same sex is unhealthy whether you do it with one or many. It is my business when I get to vote on it or when the govt wants to redefine marriage.
BTW- monogamous relationships in the homosexual community is pretty much a myth among gay men. Just look at the studies.
Wherever you've been getting your information from, it's inaccurate.

1. No, same sex is not unhealthy whether you do it with one or many. Prove otherwise.

2. Explain to me how it is unhealthy for me and my husband who are monogamous.

3. Monogamy is pretty much a myth among heterosexuals. Most of them cheat on their spouses. Or they get divorced and have lots of sex with different people. Or they get divorced and remarried and divorced and remarried and divorced and remarried...that's really stretching the term "monogamy."

4. Monogamy is no more difficult for gay men than anyone else. But under current and past conditions, what's the incentive?

Do you think straight men would be naturally monogamous without marriage? HA!

When you are raised to think there is no ultimate end to keeping a monogamous relationship (i.e. marriage) there are those who would say, "Why bother?" Or there are those who may intend to stay together, who end up having a big fight one day and without a marriage certificate to make things more difficult, they break up on a whim.

You can't rig a system against a group of people and then blame them for not participating in the system from which they are excluded.

However, once again, we are monogamous, married 5.5 years, together for 7 years, and I have never even thought about cheating. That's not what I want. And I know many, many gay couples who have been together longer than we. So your "myth" is a myth.

If gay men just wanted to screw around all the time, we could do that now. There would be no gay marriage movement.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#644 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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What cure? If homosexual sex was healthy why would we need a cure for the terrible diseases that it causes?
You need to either get educated or somehow stop lying to yourself.
As usual, you ignore the parts you don't like.

So I'll keep it simple for you, one question at a time.

What was your argument against whatever you think is homosexual sex before 1980 when there was no AIDS epidemic and men who had sex with men were no more likely to get a disease than anyone else?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#645 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is one among many:
M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, ed. P. Aries and A. Bejin, translated by Anthony Forster (New York, NY: B. Blackwell, 1985): 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991): 124, 125.
Let's rephrase. What "CREDIBLE" study?

Anything to do with "reparative therapy" is out. That's witch doctor stuff.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#646 Jan 24, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You claimed we said the LDS church is responsible for "all gay teen suicides." We didn't, you lied. Just like you claimed I said that Mormon parents teach there kids they would rather have them come home in casket "24/7". Another lie. All you do is intentionally misrepresent what people are saying who disagree with you.
And I wasn't using filthy language when I said that Joseph Smith is a sexual pervert and a pig, I was stating a fact. Telling the truth isn't unchristian. Part of the definition of "Christian" is one who tells the truth, even unpleasant ones. Your problem is that I won't tell the sweet lies Mormonism has made up about their disgusting excuse for a prophet, thief, and child molester.
I thinks it's funny how you claim that 14 yr old's are confused about their sexual orientation, and shouldn't be getting help for it, or talk about it, but it is perfectly fine and noble for a man calling himself "prophet" to screw one.
Funny, he made the exact same lies about my posts. First I just thought he wasn't reading the posts very carefully. Then I thought maybe he was just stupid.

Now I think he's just a pathological liar. He lies to himself still to this day about being gay. He uses religion to beat himself up. He has absolutely zero credibility on these boards.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#647 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that words have meaning and to think we can change them arbitrarily is problematic. Our society is infected with this kind of crazy thinking that we think we can redefine things on a whim. This is how the Nazi's were able to kill so many in the holocaust. They convinced many that the Jews were sub human. We see this with slavery and abortion. Just redefine what terms mean and all kinds of evil is possible.
Slavery? You mean the practice your God specifically condoned? Yes, tell us more about that.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#648 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
What cure? If homosexual sex was healthy why would we need a cure for the terrible diseases that it causes?
You need to either get educated or somehow stop lying to yourself.
Anal sex causes AIDS? REALLY?

What other diseases does anal sex cause?

Did homosexuals invent anal sex?

Are homosexuals the only practitioners of anal sex?

Do you support lesbian marriages, as anal sex is presumably much less common among lesbians?

Do you support barring anybody from marrying who engages in anal sex?

Since when does it matter into which orifice things go when deciding whether someone can marry some particular person?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#649 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is one among many:
M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, ed. P. Aries and A. Bejin, translated by Anthony Forster (New York, NY: B. Blackwell, 1985): 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991): 124, 125.
So, nothing in actual peer-reviewed scientific journals? Maybe you'd like to cite something from Answers in Genesis while you're at it?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#650 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Same sex is unhealthy whether you do it with one or many. It is my business when I get to vote on it or when the govt wants to redefine marriage.
BTW- monogamous relationships in the homosexual community is pretty much a myth among gay men. Just look at the studies.
So, you DO support barring heterosexual couples from marrying if they engage in anal sex. Thanks for clarifying that for us.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#651 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Its a fact that homosexual sex among men is unhealthy.
But anal sex between a man and a woman is not? What are the magical properties of the woman's anus and rectum that differentiate it from the man's? If there is no real difference, then it's equally "unhealthy" for heterosexual couples, which means you surely would support barring heterosexual couples from marrying if they engage in anal sex, yes? I mean, you wouldn't want to be logically inconsistent and hypocritical, would you?

By the way, does this mean celibate homosexual men and lesbians (celibate or not) should be allowed to marry?
Jeff wrote:
Its fact that marriage has always been between a man and a women (even polygamists acknowledge this). Can you name a society where same sex marriage was the norm?
Hold up...a "women?" Was that accidental? Are you saying marriage has always been between one man and one woman? Can you name one society where white and black people cross-marrying was the norm?
Jeff wrote:
Show me the data that getting a tattoo leads to getting very sick and dying?
Show me the data that anal sex leads to getting very sick and dying. It's the sex that you're claiming an objection to, so the act itself is the problem according to you. Show us the study that links anal penetration to morbidity.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#654 Jan 24, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I bet your parents were really proud of you when you decided to su:ck a d:ck instead of a pacifier.
I know my parents would be proud they didn't have you for a child. They wanted human children, and got them. You are something people clean off the bottom of their shoes. I'll bet you dimes to dollars I've been with more women than you could even hope. Certainly more than you, which would be zero, unless you picked up some Jerry Springer 500lb reject who was blind, deaf, dumb, and mentally retarded.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#655 Jan 24, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Considering your main diet consist mainly of feces and semen, you're a walking, talking, breathing cesspool.
That would be cannibalism for you.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#656 Jan 24, 2013
madscot wrote:
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I've been a respiratory therapist for 23 years. I've seen a total of 5 cases of aids. 3 were from needle sharing. You're more likely to contract TB or MRSA than aids so you really should get over it.


I would also, in the "unhealthy lifestyle" catagory, wonder if this person you're responding to has the same moral outrage against parents whose diets consists of high trans-fat, sugar and other fast carbohydrates and are sedentary-a deadly combination-and who pass this unhealthy lifestyle to their children, or if he is dishonest enough to pick one group of people and one set of statistical risks and set that up as some sort of caliber of justification of the denial of basic rights and priveleges. The hallmark of people such as this is their gross inconsistencies when confronted with equivalencies. We also know bottom line is, always, "the Bible tells me so" to which I respond "Ain't my religion, and it ain't your business". IF you don't like me don't invite me to dinner, but don't think you have the right to dictate the content of souls around my dinner table.

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