Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,105

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#565 Jan 23, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
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So you don't understand. Never stated anything about being immortal. Think as you read. Gays act like animals sexually. God gave humans free will, which gives human beings a choice to make. Your type picked the incorrect choice.
Immortal?

Stupid.

Your argument has been discredited, and you don't even realize it.

You are making the claim that gay animals "don't know any better." That implies they are doing something wrong, i.e. immoral, and just don't realize it.

How can an animal be immoral?

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#566 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You point out the nonsense with this. A marriage involves a man and a woman. The man is a husband and can only be a husband by definition. A man can never be a wife. Get it. Pretty simple.
No. Not true. In many states and a vast number of countries, legal marriage is NOT only made up of a man and a woman. It is also defined nby same sex couples legally marrying. You might not like it, but that's a simple and verifiable fact.

You do not get to change the facts to suit your personal beliefs, even if you find them personally distasteful.

And, if you believe that a true marriage is about MUCH more than a state issued marriage license, as most people do, then there are gay married couples in every single country, state, county, and town in this and every other country.

And, yes, many of them are even married before God in Christian churches by the same pastors that marry everyone else, even if their states do not "legally" recognize their marriages.

Those are the simple facts.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#567 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You point out the nonsense with this. A marriage involves a man and a woman. The man is a husband and can only be a husband by definition. A man can never be a wife. Get it. Pretty simple.
Well, you're half right. My marriage is two husbands.

Too bad for you.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#568 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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1) Of course there is evidence. Lets look at Romans 1:26-27
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
This is a description of homosexual sexual practices.
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Hardly.

Is is NEVER natural for a lesbian woman to have sex with a male, and it is never natural for a gay male to have sex with a woman.

Why try to twist a verse about pagan worship and idolatry and such into something it is clearly not?

Who was this letter being written to, and for what purpose? What was going on among the people in that area, and even Christians there at that time, that Paul was worried about?

Hint - he was not worried that some Christians were gay.

Since: Jan 11

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#569 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Well, you're half right. My marriage is two husbands.
Too bad for you.
Apparently thought this husband/wife/sexual timidity garbage was you-my bad. I'm more curious of what those titles mean to people. I refer to my partner as "partner" because of the fact that term conveys equal status. To if I used a term like "wife" I would be conveying that my partner's standing in our house because of its traditional associations so if you weren't simply making the point of two males, I'm curious as to whether when you are introducing your partner do you call him "husband" and if so what does that mean to you?
LowellGuy

United States

#570 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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1) Of course there is evidence. Lets look at Romans 1:26-27
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
This is a description of homosexual sexual practices.
2) Paul speaks with authority of Christ and so can tell us what sin is. Its as if Christ Himself was speaking.
Well, of course Paul has that authority. After all, he says so himself!

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Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#571 Jan 23, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
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Apparently thought this husband/wife/sexual timidity garbage was you-my bad. I'm more curious of what those titles mean to people. I refer to my partner as "partner" because of the fact that term conveys equal status. To if I used a term like "wife" I would be conveying that my partner's standing in our house because of its traditional associations so if you weren't simply making the point of two males, I'm curious as to whether when you are introducing your partner do you call him "husband" and if so what does that mean to you?
It tends to depend on the company. More often than not we use "husband," especially with family & friends, at gay businesses, etc. We're married. We're husbands. Sometimes when I am doing something official (especially over the phone - like opening an account, etc.) I will say "spouse" just to be clear.

I think "partner" can be confusing, unclear, and reduce the level of commitment implied. For example, people who have not gotten married will often use the word "partner." (Some will use the word "husband" also, especially going back to the time when no gay couples had legal marriage anywhere.) However occasionally in public, again depending on the company, I'll use the word "partner" if I feel it is called for.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#572 Jan 23, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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1) Of course there is evidence. Lets look at Romans 1:26-27
"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
This is a description of homosexual sexual practices.
2) Paul speaks with authority of Christ and so can tell us what sin is. Its as if Christ Himself was speaking.
2) Paul was a false prophet who should have been stoned. Jesus preached Judaism, Paul perverted the teachings of Jesus to invent a new religion.
Even if that were not the case, the Bible is VERY clear that the words of the Law were to NEVER be changed. There are several DOZEN verses throughout the Bible (including a few by Jesus) that reinforce this statement.
1) In the ancient world, there were several Goddesses that were worshiped through fertility rituals that used temple prostitutes. These were the qadesh and qedeshah of the Bible. Asherah, mentioned numerous times in the Bible, was one of these Goddesses. Part of the duty of the qadeshim was to have sex with all interested persons, including men with men or women with women, as well as men with women. Of course, you lied by quoting the passage out of context...
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
1:26 For THIS ^ cause...
See, that is important. "This" cause (failure to worship the God of the Bible) led people to worship foreign Goddesses and indulge in fertility rituals with them.
Oh, are you aware that sometimes, as a way to avoid unwanted pregnancy, men would occasionally engage in anal sex with the female prostitutes? "Unnatural" to many people mind...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#573 Jan 23, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
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"husband" and "wife" are outdated nomenclature that really should be dispensed with that simply harken back to a time of a rigid division of roles expressions and expectations that don't hold in our society. Men stay home and are domestic while wymyn have careers and visa versa; hopefully in a partnership with two people working outside the home the labor within the home is shared. I don't know very many wymyn that are the "wives" in the sense the traditional baggage associated with it, or "husbands" either. So being hung up over some effete terminology is a pretty ridiculous exclusion point.
Exactly. As a single parent, I have to be both father (providing the strict discipline) and mother (providing the love and nurturing) to my son.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#574 Jan 23, 2013
Quest wrote:
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No. Not true. In many states and a vast number of countries, legal marriage is NOT only made up of a man and a woman. It is also defined nby same sex couples legally marrying. You might not like it, but that's a simple and verifiable fact.
You do not get to change the facts to suit your personal beliefs, even if you find them personally distasteful.
And, if you believe that a true marriage is about MUCH more than a state issued marriage license, as most people do, then there are gay married couples in every single country, state, county, and town in this and every other country.
And, yes, many of them are even married before God in Christian churches by the same pastors that marry everyone else, even if their states do not "legally" recognize their marriages.
Those are the simple facts.
Brazil is in the process of being added to the list of countries that recognize same sex marriages...

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#575 Jan 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Just for clarification, I have never stated that. The rest of your post is, as usual for you, pointless.
Just for clarification you did state that. Your bud nomo stated that. You and nomo stated that for many, many posts a while back. Memory biting at you again?

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Earth

#576 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Ummm...no, stupid. That's not what "based on" means. And you are undermining your own argument.
Ummm...yes, stupid. That's what "based on" can mean and can be used for in a sentence. 8 million hits on the web declares that was a stupid statement of your's and definitely an incorrect opinion. Second time I had to correct your all mighty self righteous error thinking English. Care to make it a third time?

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Earth

#577 Jan 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Nooo, they just teach their kids that they would rather them come home in a casket than for them to lose their chastity, and that is the message for LDS kids having straight sex.
You're so fricking absolutely pathetic. Can't you at least get the quote correct? That was a statement a single elder made to a son going on a mission. But your usual good, kind, truthful, loving Christian persona would rather lie than state a truth, and declare all Mormon parents make that same statement to all their sons and daughters 24/7 huh. Fricking fake *ssed Christian lol.
'I'd rather see you come home in a casket than to see you come home unclean.... Elder Legrand Richards,“Conference Report”, October 1952, p.93 ...

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Earth

#578 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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I know you don't want to be your fault, but it is.
Okay, it's my fault. Now what?:)

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Earth

#579 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Yes, it is illogical, and yet you and your church and other churches continue to do it anyway.
And no, no matter how much you try to twist things to rationalize your negligence and try to turn it around on us, you can't get away with that, except in your own twisted mind.
That's like saying the person who encouraged you to go for a walk in the park is responsible for the serial killer who kills you in the park.
Stupid b.
Oohhhh, look, Tony C cusses....lolol...fricking clown lolol.
The LGBT has for 30 strong years been brain washing children "to be themselves", "come out of the closet", "be your real self". It's in pamphlets and on posters etc in various ways of being written.
Well children for the last 20 years have taken that statement to heart. They did as LGBT adults told them they had a right to do at home, in school and in public. And a minority killed themselves because of that message. They killed themselves because they couldn't handle they negative reactions heaped upon them by idiots. The LGBT that pushes them to this very day to "be gay" or "be lesbian" unfortunately aren't being told by the LGBT the war they psychological war they're about to face in "being gay" or "being lesbian" it's your right even as a child garbage message by the LGBT.
No one else in the entire world encourages children to be a sexual orientation as does the LGBT. The LGBT is the only pathetic organization that encourages a minority of children to their early graves. That's a fact you may not like but it's a fact.
#1. Children thinking themselves are gay resort to suicide on two accounts. A being the negative reactions they suffer from idiots. B being encouraged by the LGBT to being something at to early of an age that factually can cause depression, stress and death.
See, why are children trying to establish themselves as homosexuals? Because the LGBT encourages them to be that thing in middle school and high school. That's an established fact. Go visit a middle school or high school if you're in doubt.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#580 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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And this ends our discussion.
I can't debate someone who won't play by the rules and makes up her own language.
That's like saying it's OK to use "supposably" instead of "supposedly" because so many people misuse it and you can find it on google.
You make up your own words and you live in your own made-up world.
And you're obviously not bright.
Epic fail.
And you're gay. You really really should deal with that.
"deep seeded." Fricking stupid b. And then actually digs in on it after being corrected. Unbelievable.
You are unworthy of further dialogue.
Next.
lolol....thanks :)
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#581 Jan 23, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
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"husband" and "wife" are outdated nomenclature that really should be dispensed with that simply harken back to a time of a rigid division of roles expressions and expectations that don't hold in our society. Men stay home and are domestic while wymyn have careers and visa versa; hopefully in a partnership with two people working outside the home the labor within the home is shared. I don't know very many wymyn that are the "wives" in the sense the traditional baggage associated with it, or "husbands" either. So being hung up over some effete terminology is a pretty ridiculous exclusion point.
You must be on something to say "husband" and "wife" are outdated nomenclature.." Get serious. These are the ways we have always thought of these things. No, these titles are not going away. What nonsense.

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Earth

#583 Jan 23, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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The phrase is deep SEATED, you illiterate putz.
Stupid is, stupid thinks you prove...the phrase "deep seeded" is used often by many...now go get a life :)

If that isn’t true, I at least hope that my deep seeded fascination with pop culture has made you feel better about what you do in your free time.[The Maneater]

Montaner maintains that deep-seeded discrimination and stigma has resulted in decreasing interest in the disease.[Toronto Star]

And when I say resent, I mean resent with a deep-seeded, unhealthy anger that I can’t really explain.[Huffington Post]

In a pair of games between deep-seeded TCC rivals, the Bevier Lady Cat and Wildcat basketball teams played host to a non-TCC match with the La Plata Bulldogs.[Macon Chronicle-Herald]

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#586 Jan 23, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Exactly. As a single parent, I have to be both father (providing the strict discipline) and mother (providing the love and nurturing) to my son.
Tough job, Hon;really admire you for it

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Earth

#588 Jan 23, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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And this ends our discussion.
I can't debate someone who won't play by the rules and makes up her own language.
That's like saying it's OK to use "supposably" instead of "supposedly" because so many people misuse it and you can find it on google.
You make up your own words and you live in your own made-up world.
And you're obviously not bright.
Epic fail.
And you're gay. You really really should deal with that.
"deep seeded." Fricking stupid b. And then actually digs in on it after being corrected. Unbelievable.
You are unworthy of further dialogue.
Next.
Fricking ignorant moron..lol.
I have no doubt you would have been one of the true pathetic morons screaming at people that used the word "ain't" to quit because it wasn't a word and never would be a word. Well "Google it" and "surf the web" aren't any more correct phrases to your moronic thinking than "deep seeded" and "deep seeded" has been used for decades as a phrase. An idiot beyond belief..lol.
Some comments from the web you'll love to hate I'm sure :)

Deep-seeded vs. deep-seated
Deep-seeded almost makes sense in a metaphorical way (though seeds sown too deeply won’t grow), but deep-seated is the term you’re looking for. The phrasal adjective (usually requiring a hyphen) simply indicates that something is seated (in the sense fixed firmly in place) deeply in something else. The OED defines it as having its seat far beneath the surface.
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« It’s All About CommunicationQuestions On My Mind »
Deep Seated vs Deep Seeded
August 13, 2007 by dave
So last week I used the term “deep seeded” in my post about the first lady writing a children’s book.

Well bad Dave, no cookie, the term is actually “deep seated”

According to some of the sites that I’ve read the incorrect term started getting usage because of American pronunciation trends and that currently 4% of the people out there today think that “deep seeded” is the correct term.

Now my hearing sucks, my wife will be the first one to tell you this. As a matter of fact I bet she’s told me this but I just didn’t hear her. Ok, who am I kidding … I wasn’t listening.

But anyway, I think the reason I always used “deep seeded” is because it always made so much more sense to me. When farming, seeds are sown at a certain level because if you plant them too deeply, they don’t get enough warmth from the sun and will not sprout. So to me a “deep seeded” need would be a desperate need for something that was never going to be met.

I’ve only used the term myself when talking about unfulfilled needs too. Never in something like a “deep seeded” hatred for someone, because I never thought the term applied correctly.
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January 20, 2005

DEEP-SEEDED IGNORANCE
According to a Jan. 19 Fox News story from Houston about how "[a]n application form to join a parochial schools group that was sent to Texas Islamic schools has created misunderstanding and anger between local Muslims and Christians",

Iesa Galloway, Houston Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (search) said the questionnaire was "rooted in deep-seeded ignorance of the religion of Islam and the Muslim people."

For most Americans, "deep-seeded" is pronounced exactly the same way as "deep-seated", due to (what linguists call) flapping and voicing of /t/ in words like seated, as in many other contexts (e.g. in fatter and rabbiting and at all, but not in attack). And in terms of the current ordinary-language meaning of the words involved, "deep-seeded ignorance" makes sense, while "deep-seated ignorance" doesn't. Ignorance can be planted deep and thus have deep metaphorical roots, but deep-seated ignorance would have to be ignorance cut with a lot of room in the crotch, or maybe ignorance sitting in a badly-designed armchair.

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