Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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#291 Jan 20, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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Your cult is the bully, freakfest. Wen they stop bullying, they won't get backlash. What was the term...stunned?? The brethren were "stunned" at the backlash after prop8. Google it.
lol...and that was a childish reply, my cult is the bully? lol.
Want to know a true bullying defined cult following? LGBT-
Christian INC. That is what they should be named. That is for fact you're cult that you follow.
Even though in the US all citizens have a right to believe as they wish and vote as they please, the LGBT Christian community feels their are exceptions to those rules/rights. Because if you disagree with them, you get to be protested against especially if your religious and call yourself a Christian. Let them know you voted against same sex marriage and you can expect to see your name on the web somewhere as a bigot etc.
According to the LGBT Christian coalition, as long as you agree or keep your trap shut of how you feel, you're good to go. But let them know you disagree with same sex marriage and they'll brand you the devil incarnate.
Yeah, a bullying cult well defined :)

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#292 Jan 20, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Since there is no mention in the Bible that Christ was against homosexuality, I think the issue of gay marriage will definitely divide churches against each other...maybe not against each other, but will have some stand out as supporting more the word of Christ.
It has divided Christian religions against each other all ready. It's divided some Christian religions into two halves over the issue.

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Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#293 Jan 20, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...and that was a childish reply, my cult is the bully? lol.
Want to know a true bullying defined cult following? LGBT-
Christian INC. That is what they should be named. That is for fact you're cult that you follow.
Even though in the US all citizens have a right to believe as they wish and vote as they please, the LGBT Christian community feels their are exceptions to those rules/rights. Because if you disagree with them, you get to be protested against especially if your religious and call yourself a Christian. Let them know you voted against same sex marriage and you can expect to see your name on the web somewhere as a bigot etc.
According to the LGBT Christian coalition, as long as you agree or keep your trap shut of how you feel, you're good to go. But let them know you disagree with same sex marriage and they'll brand you the devil incarnate.
Yeah, a bullying cult well defined :)
You sure sound like the bully now!

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Earth

#294 Jan 20, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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People use to think the same thing about them allowing blacks to hold the priesthood. I think when it gets to the point it has a negative impact on their conversions, or their tax status, they will have another "revelation."
If black/dark skinned people had been forbidden church membership you would have a point for comparison. But you don't have a point for comparison because only the priesthood was denied black/dark males.
Nomo was half correct. The Mormon church will never sanctify same sex marriages. But there are homosexuals in heaven. There are bisexuals in heaven and all sorts of people in heaven. Now what people aren't allowed to be when they get to the spirit world, that we'll all find out when we get there.

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Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#295 Jan 20, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...and that was a childish reply, my cult is the bully? lol.
Want to know a true bullying defined cult following? LGBT-
Christian INC. That is what they should be named. That is for fact you're cult that you follow.
Even though in the US all citizens have a right to believe as they wish and vote as they please, the LGBT Christian community feels their are exceptions to those rules/rights. Because if you disagree with them, you get to be protested against especially if your religious and call yourself a Christian. Let them know you voted against same sex marriage and you can expect to see your name on the web somewhere as a bigot etc.
According to the LGBT Christian coalition, as long as you agree or keep your trap shut of how you feel, you're good to go. But let them know you disagree with same sex marriage and they'll brand you the devil incarnate.
Yeah, a bullying cult well defined :)
Well of course you're a bigot if you're against same sex marriage.

People misused the bibles against black people also. They were wrong, and so are you.

Should the US have passed Civil Rights laws to protect African Americans, but allow religious exceptions? Because a whole lot of people back then used religion to support slavery, segregation, banning interracial marriages, etc.

Bigots are bigots - by choice and by definition.

If you think Christianity encourages bigotry, you've a long way to go on your spiritual journey.

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Fort Lauderdale FL

#296 Jan 20, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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If black/dark skinned people had been forbidden church membership you would have a point for comparison. But you don't have a point for comparison because only the priesthood was denied black/dark males.
Nomo was half correct. The Mormon church will never sanctify same sex marriages. But there are homosexuals in heaven. There are bisexuals in heaven and all sorts of people in heaven. Now what people aren't allowed to be when they get to the spirit world, that we'll all find out when we get there.
Nobody cares what the Mormon church will sanctify. We have plenty of churches that are more righteous and don't fight against our rights.

That's where we have a problem: the Mormon church butting it's nose into our laws and marriages - interfering with prop 8, etc. It's time to tax them.

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#297 Jan 20, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>You sure sound like the bully now!
From your position of idiocy I suppose.
I guess you weren't around to see/read/hear what the LGBT and supporters and LGBT Christian community did to all those that voted against prop 8.
You didn't hear of how people using their right to vote, were called all sorts of names by the LGBT corp itself? How the LGBT Corp staged protests against people disagreeing with their position? How they listed names of people that contributed against their position so LGBT people would say and do some of the foulest things they could imagine to those people?
You didn't hear how LGBT members were setting a few fires to churches in retaliation for voting against prop 8. You didn't hear about how personal property was vandalized by the nice LGBT crowd against those disagreeing with their stance on same sex marriage?
Fricking idiot, go read the past web news and get informed.
The LGBT corp became nothing but a bully against any one disagreeing with their stance on prop 8.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#298 Jan 20, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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You are talking nonsense and steretypes. It's very easily refuted because I'm talking about real people with real lives.
I am friends with hundreds of gay men and I know thousands (no exaggeration - I used to bartend in a couple of gay bars, and I now own my own business in a gay area.)
Two that I know of have HIV, have had it for over 20 years, and are doing quite well. I'm sure there are more.
Two good friends died from AIDS several years ago.
I have a lot more straight friends and family members who have died from cancer due to smoking, drinking, or from complications of obesity, etc.
I have never cheated on one single person in my entire life, even if we were only casually dating, even if we made no promise of exclusivity. That's just the way I am. And I'm gay. So that blows your little theory out of the water.
Not that this matters, but your younger generations of straight people are total whores for the most part.
In addition, what we consider "having sex with many partners" over time, is what you typically consider foreplay.
But when we commit to marriage, it means the same thing as it does to heterosexuals. There will be some who cheat. There will be a minority who do odd things like open marriages, just like straight people. And there will be those like me and my spouse, who are pretty old-fashioned, and simply love each other til death do us part. That is my preference, not a whole bunch of different partners.
So stop talking smack about which you know nothing. You have real live gay people on this message board. Take the opportunity to ask questions and learn instead of making a fool out of yourself issuing ignorant statements.
Your the one that is talking nonsense. The average life span for a gay man is something like 40 years. I can think of 4 homosexual men alone in the past 7 years who have either died or are very very sick.
So don't tell me or anyone else that this behavior is healthy. Just look at the CDC' site for stats on the amount of serious diseases that homosexual men suffer from. You should be doing everything you can to dissuade anyone from engaging in this kind of thing.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#299 Jan 20, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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You can't prove anything Jesus said unless you can prove any one version of the bible is the 100% inerrant, intact, accurate Word Of God.
Discredited. Next.
A document does not need to be 100% inerrant to be true. The Bible does condemn homosexuality in every place it is mentioned.

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#300 Jan 20, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Well of course you're a bigot if you're against same sex marriage.
People misused the bibles against black people also. They were wrong, and so are you.
Should the US have passed Civil Rights laws to protect African Americans, but allow religious exceptions? Because a whole lot of people back then used religion to support slavery, segregation, banning interracial marriages, etc.
Bigots are bigots - by choice and by definition.
If you think Christianity encourages bigotry, you've a long way to go on your spiritual journey.
Did you know according to Merriam Webster it's an act of bigotry to oppose those that oppose same sex marriage? Guess the glove fits both hands in this case :)
big·ot noun \&#712;bi-g&#601;t\

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices;

People that disagree aren't always bigots. It's a right to disagree with someone. Now if you disagree with with hatred and malevolence as is commonly done by true bigots, now you have defined yourself a bigot by the definition...
Definition of BIGOT

especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

You don't have to be a bigot to disagree. That simple.

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#301 Jan 20, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody cares what the Mormon church will sanctify. We have plenty of churches that are more righteous and don't fight against our rights.
That's where we have a problem: the Mormon church butting it's nose into our laws and marriages - interfering with prop 8, etc. It's time to tax them.
I know a few in here that do care (who hate Mormons) what the LDS church will or won't sanctify so your wrong.
Want to tax churches, I'm all for it. I see no sense why churches weren't taxed in the first place. Our government has had the biggest influence in changing what ministers teach or shouldn't teach than any existing thing or person. "Freedom of religion" is a joke any way. Yeah, freedom of religion like freedom of speech.
The LDS church doesn't vote itself. Civilians of the LDS church having the right to vote yea or nay on an issue, they are the ones that disagree with same sex marriages. Just as non-LDS people also disagree with same sex marriages. It's a voter's right to agree or disagree regardless of the names you call them or judge them by.

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Conch republic

#302 Jan 20, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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From your position of idiocy I suppose.
I guess you weren't around to see/read/hear what the LGBT and supporters and LGBT Christian community did to all those that voted against prop 8.
You didn't hear of how people using their right to vote, were called all sorts of names by the LGBT corp itself? How the LGBT Corp staged protests against people disagreeing with their position? How they listed names of people that contributed against their position so LGBT people would say and do some of the foulest things they could imagine to those people?
You didn't hear how LGBT members were setting a few fires to churches in retaliation for voting against prop 8. You didn't hear about how personal property was vandalized by the nice LGBT crowd against those disagreeing with their stance on same sex marriage?
Fricking idiot, go read the past web news and get informed.
The LGBT corp became nothing but a bully against any one disagreeing with their stance on prop 8.
Change "LGBT" in your bullshit diatribe and substitute "Christian" or "Mormon(moron)" and then read it back. You lie like the dog you are.

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#303 Jan 20, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>Change "LGBT" in your bullshit diatribe and substitute "Christian" or "Mormon(moron)" and then read it back. You lie like the dog you are.
Here's a fact you display. You're a bigot by the entire definition. You get foul and angry with hate if someone doesn't agree with your position. That leaves you defined as a prejudicial bigot. Neither are you intelligent enough to use proper English for a reply as you resort to the gutter language of a drunk that's pissed mad at the world.
By the way, I'll give it a try what you suggested :)

I guess you weren't around to see/read/hear what the Mormons didn't do to all those that voted for prop 8.
You didn't hear of how people using their right to vote, weren't called all sorts of names by the Mormons. How the Mormons didn't stage protests against people disagreeing with their position. How they didn't list names of people that contributed against their position so other Mormons would react rudely saying and doing some of the foulest things they could imagine to those people. None of that was done by Mormons or that church.
You never heard of Mormons were setting a few fires to LGBT offices and LGBT churches in retaliation for voting against prop 8. You never heard of Mormons vandalizing LGBT voters personal property who disagreed with their stance on same sex marriage.
Fricking idiot, go read the past web news and get informed.
The Mormons didn't do a fricking thing to those who voted differently on prop 8.
The LGBT crowd did everything and than some to any and everyone they could who they learned disagreed with their position on same sex marriage.
You're a misinformed Idiot. Doesn't have to be that way.

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#304 Jan 21, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
Well of course you're a bigot if you're against same sex marriage.
People misused the bibles against black people also. They were wrong, and so are you.
Should the US have passed Civil Rights laws to protect African Americans, but allow religious exceptions? Because a whole lot of people back then used religion to support slavery, segregation, banning interracial marriages, etc.
Bigots are bigots - by choice and by definition.
If you think Christianity encourages bigotry, you've a long way to go on your spiritual journey.
At one time, it was believed that black people didn't have souls. Then for a long time it was believed women didn't either.

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Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#305 Jan 21, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>Change "LGBT" in your bullshit diatribe and substitute "Christian" or "Mormon(moron)" and then read it back. You lie like the dog you are.
No Surprise threw logic out long ago when it comes to homosexuals. He blames the support groups for teen gays and lesbians for them killing themselves and not the bigots or the churches that are giving them the reason these kids want to do so in the first place. According to him, the homosexual teen should just shut up and stay in the closet.

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Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#306 Jan 21, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a fact you display. You're a bigot by the entire definition. You get foul and angry with hate if someone doesn't agree with your position. That leaves you defined as a prejudicial bigot. Neither are you intelligent enough to use proper English for a reply as you resort to the gutter language of a drunk that's pissed mad at the world.
You are so self righteous in your definition of what a bigot is while defend one of the most racist, and bigot church in America. Bigotry is fine and dandy with you as long as someone is claiming God said it.

Feel free to call me a bigot when it comes to Mormonism because I openly say I hate the LDS church. It is a foul and disgusting excuse of a religion, just like Islam, using and abusing the good of of the Lord to repress and degrade people. I also hate the KKK, Communist, and the Nazi's if you want to keep a record of what I hate. Some groups earn it.

You can polish a turd all day, and it will still be a turd.

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Marysville, CA

#308 Jan 21, 2013
Turnkey wrote:
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Dana Robertson said, You can polish a turd all day, and it will still be a turd.
Then a fa&&ot will eat it for supper. That's the difference.
Just because you eat them doesn't mean every other gay person does also.

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Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#310 Jan 21, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Your the one that is talking nonsense. The average life span for a gay man is something like 40 years. I can think of 4 homosexual men alone in the past 7 years who have either died or are very very sick.
So don't tell me or anyone else that this behavior is healthy. Just look at the CDC' site for stats on the amount of serious diseases that homosexual men suffer from. You should be doing everything you can to dissuade anyone from engaging in this kind of thing.
You're really not good at this whole "following logic" thing.

#1 There is nothing you can do to "dissuade" anyone from being gay. You can, however, dissuade them from being promiscuous. My marriage sets that example.

#2 whoop de doo, you know 4 people. How many more people do you know who died of self inflicted cancer or heart attacks due to their LIFESTYLE?

#3 Being gay did not cause them to get sick. Having sex with an infected partner caused them to get sick. This is easily aviodable. I avoided it, and so have most people I know.

#4 Your statistic is silly, skewed by old data from when HIV/AIDS caused death much faster (people can live very much normal and long lives with it now) and not applicable to gay men without HIV. What will be your excuse when there is a cure?

#5 There are plenty of STD's among heterosexuals. Do you discourage heterosexuals from being heterosexual? No, you encourage them to be careful and less promiscuous. You encourage monogamy and marriage.

#6 As I've said before, if you REALLY are concerned about diseases (and I strongly doubt you are) then you MUST support gay marriage as an option that virtually guarantees neither partner will get a disease. If you don't support gay marriage, then you are a hypocrite and a liar who puts personal prejudice above any concern for disease. So stop acting like you're concerned about disease and just say you don't like homosexuality.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#311 Jan 21, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
A document does not need to be 100% inerrant to be true. The Bible does condemn homosexuality in every place it is mentioned.
When you are trying to say something is God's Word, and actively use it against fellow American citizens, then you'd better damned well be sure it is 100% inerrant.

You can reasonably make the claim the bibles are against murder. It is repeated hundreds of times, clearly.

You cannot reasonably make the same claim about homosexuality. It is only in there a handful of times, inconsistently, and really only boils down to ONE instance. All the others have been discredited as mistranslations, whether intentional or not, when the ancient texts were talking about things like temple prostitutes, which was erroneously translated into homosexuality in modern versions (I suspect on purpose.)

Worshipping any version of the bible as an idol is a detriment to an active, spiritual relationship with God. Using it against others to interfere in their lives is blasphemous.

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Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#312 Jan 21, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know according to Merriam Webster it's an act of bigotry to oppose those that oppose same sex marriage? Guess the glove fits both hands in this case :)
big·ot noun \&#712;bi-g&#601;t\
Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices;
People that disagree aren't always bigots. It's a right to disagree with someone. Now if you disagree with with hatred and malevolence as is commonly done by true bigots, now you have defined yourself a bigot by the definition...
Definition of BIGOT
especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
You don't have to be a bigot to disagree. That simple.
Using your wacky logic, I'll happily admit to being bigoted against bigotry.

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